posted December 13, 2011 03:31 AM            

I have recently found myself tangled up in confusion. I would greatly appreciate your insight on the matter.

The matter of my confusion stems form my Ascendant. I've been led up to believe until a short time ago that my rising was in Leo, but then I checked Astro(& a few other sites) now it has mysteriously morphed into Cancer(in 24th degree), more intriguing still they both seem accurate enough to cause me a great deal of befuddlement.

Well I am fearless in social areas, I am incurably dramatic & playful, I take naturally to the spotlight, I was born to perform, I feel as if I can take on the entire world & change the coarse of this reality if that were to be where my desires resided(they don't, I just want to travel).
Also I have a gorgeous mane of golden hair & I will admit it comes with a bit of an ego, but my humble & selfless Capricorn sun tends to hide that.

Yet I constantly need attention, I go deeply insecure & silent when I feel ignored or inferior(Cancer?) I spent my late childhood to young adult years feeling like this & keeping out of everyone's way, my natural flair to go out of my way to make friends & meet strangers was completely quenched, which eventually led to severe depression & drug addiction(both of which I am now glad to say bit the curb). Deep down I am far more insecure & instable than I lead on. I hate crossing people, so I am very hesitant & sometimes even a little over-polite, I want to be liked by everyone, so when I sense hostility my confidence takes a hit. I feel like I've lost myself in personas & masks till I can't tell which is which, which one is my real persona. Like an actor that is lost in himself in his characters until he can't remember who he was before all his roles.

Anyways appearance-wise I have deep set dark brown eyes, heavy well shaped eyebrows, a small narrow nose, full lips, a full broad smile, a long oval face, with high cheekbones. I have always had a wild mop of hair, I've only ever had it short once(regrettably). My expression is generally gentle, calm yet sharp & direct, sometimes dreamy & dazed though mostly playful & friendly. I am tall with a slender/athletic build, I have wide shoulders but a soft, feminine face. I am usually seen in bohemian or wildly erratic outfits, I like to make an entrance. I am very fond of rings, cuffs, leather & wearable oddities form different parts of the world.

So all in all it seems like the tower is tilting Leo-wards, however I have my moon in Gemini in 10th house. Bam! & I slip back into confusion just as I thought I had solved it.

posted December 13, 2011 04:26 AM            

Leo rising usually appear pretty 'regal' and have this presence about them. Also seem really like outgoing and energetic at the start.

Cancer risings are really shy.

posted December 13, 2011 06:09 AM            

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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
Something that I'd like to point out is to make sure that you have the right birth time and **location**. Even if it's the slightest bit off, it could make the difference if you're very close between signs. Normally, it won't change a thing, but if you're that close, it could.

Location CAN make a difference--I think due to time zones.

Speaking of which, be sure that you have the right time zone settings when you do your chart.

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Good point about location.

On Astrodienst though the time zone is never ever an issue, it automatically calculates in daylight savings time, the whole nine.It's pretty much the only astrology site on the web where you can just literally plug in what you see on the birth certificate, hit enter, and feel confident that the info you get, is correct.

Editing to add that I JUST saw that you mentioned your MOON is in the 10th house - THAT is why you feel the constant need to be seen, have attention and be praised. Doesn't have a thing to do with Leo. Not all Leos like attention or have huge egos, either. I'm one and I actually hate excessive attention and I'm not any more arrogant than the next person. (sun, mercury and NN in Leo)

The tenth house is the house associated with the sign Capricorn, as well as career and being out in the world. Capricorn is a cardinal sign too, so yeah it's all about trying to lead and be seen, ambition and trying reach a certain level of financial and social leadership and success in the outside world, specifically in a career context. That's what you have to realize, that's where all this stuff is coming from. Capricorn really isn't a selfless, humble sign - you got that confused with Pisces. Capricorn wants to lead. They wanna make money. They wanna be seen. They wanna be seen with the best car. lmaoooo

posted December 13, 2011 06:36 AM            

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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
But cancer risings are never outgoing in terms of first impression/first meeting? I know some cancer risings lol. I have a gem friend (who's a typical gem) and I always wondered why she's shy when meeting new people, it's cos of the cancer rising.

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Other things in the OP's chart are mitigating that. I'm thinking it's the fact that she has the moon in such a public house (the 10th), and there's possibly other chart factors too that make her less shy than you'd expect for a Cancer ascendant.

I'm a Leo sun with a Libra Moon and an Aquarius ascendant and you'd expect me to be super outgoing right? WRONG. In fact I'm d.amned shy until I've known someone for a really long time - it's only then that I get more outgoing, and only in private. Which would probably seem strange to some until you factor in that my moon is in the eighth house.

posted December 13, 2011 07:25 AM            

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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
OP, how are you in relationships?
Having a cappy desc and a aquarius desc should be easy to differentiate lol.

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I still think the issue is confusing some chart factors with others. I'd bet money I don't have that she's definitely a Cancer ascendant and that it's her Moon in the 10th that we're hearing here and she's mistaking that for Leo energy, which is actually different and comes from a totally different place.

posted December 13, 2011 10:07 AM            

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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
But cancer risings are never outgoing in terms of first impression/first meeting? I know some cancer risings lol. I have a gem friend (who's a typical gem) and I always wondered why she's shy when meeting new people, it's cos of the cancer rising.

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posted December 14, 2011 02:26 AM            

I naturally enjoy striking up conversations with strangers, I will go out of my way to meet someone on a normal day. My public disposition is usually vibrant & sunny with a flair of dignity I've been told. Just last week I had someone at work tell one of the other employees "go talk to Kyle if you're feeling down". Infact I started two months ago & I already know all 43 people at my work.

On the average day off I like to spend my days enjoying the bustle of city life where I meet at least three new people every time. What can I say, I just love people. I always take the lead in any given activity, I initiate most conversations & make friends in a matter of minutes. I'm practically running my entire family, running things at work whilst our Aries boss mopes around, keeping a smile on everyone's faces & the business running smoothly, I'm only 18 & running the whole show!

Generally speaking I am observed to be warm, vibrant, outgoing, generous, spontaneous, creative & a natural leader in the public eye.
On the negatives side I most often told that I am too idealistic, too extravagant, too eccentric, sometimes a little overly "dominating", arrogant & aloof. My intentions are pure though, I swear I mean the best.

Capricorn Sun in 6th(heavily dominant Cap)
Gemini Moon in 10th(Was told it was Taurus, but there is no freakin' way)
Pisces in Venus in 7th
Mars in Cancer in 12th(heavily opposed)

posted December 14, 2011 11:48 PM            

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The sign Leo is incredibly misunderstood by people who aren't Leos, is one thing I've learned over the years.

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Please explain? I am intrigued.

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OP, how are you in relationships?
Having a cappy desc and a aquarius desc should be easy to differentiate lol.

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I prefer unconventional & exotic love affairs rather than full on & overly sobby*cringes* relationships. I'm pretty independant & value my space & personal freedom alot, so I tend to avoid getting pinned down. Also I'm a little idealistic when it comes to love, too much smothering & emotional dramas will send me running for the nearest exit. I want somone who I can travel with, someone who wants to see the world. Spiritual orientated people are also a magnet as are eccentric & exotic looking people. To be quite honest I'd rather have an intimate friendship with the extras than anything else, I could probably handle that much.

posted December 15, 2011 12:28 AM            

Actually I don't find much truth in my rising being in Cancer, because I have no Leo in my chart & just today I talked to a group of women about "star signs", they all tried to guess my sign, which they unanimously decided had to be either Leo or Sagittarius, they were totally shocked to find out I was a Capricorn. Anyways, ascendant rules how you come across to the outside world & public persona & if I come across as a Leo even though I have a Cancer rising then the chart is off & it won't matter much anyway since they would still perceive me as a Leo, regardless.

posted December 15, 2011 12:32 AM            

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Yeah Astro is accurate. OP double check your details.

You don't really sound like a cap desc, but maybe your aspects and house placements change it?

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Well the way I see it people got Caps figured out all wrong.

I got Saturn in Aquarius in 7th house if Ascendent is in Leo

posted December 15, 2011 12:50 AM            

Join the Asc confusion club MysticalCat,I have been a member for a while now...

I also had the same confusion sorrounding my Asc and still do. That is why I've abandoned putting so much emphasis on it and just go with what "feels" right....

I noticed that you have a moon in Gemini. This moon position could account to why you love meeting new people so much.

Moon in Gemini is not so good at maintatining these relationships long-term though, do you often find that it is far more exciting making new acquaintances than building on old ones?

I am the direct opposite of that; must be cause my moon sign comes straight after yours. I am shy when it comes to meeting new people and tend to alternate between being aloof, reserved to friendly and bubbly(depending on the response the other person gives me).But I am never agressive....

You also mentioned deep seated insecurities that are not visible to people on the outside. I think this has to do with Mars being in Cancer(a very percepetive, sensitive and inwardly focused sign).Also the opposition to your sun in Capricorn might add to the mix as Mars is all about confidence. The aspect degree will intensifthe effect ofcourse.

My sister has the similar placement; moon in Cancer, Mars in Gemini. She is the absolute enetertainer, loves meeting new people and gravitates towards strangers very easily.

But she is also very sensitive(also a cross between leo/Cancer asc as my mom says she was born "around 12 noon"). Beneath her sensitivity though, is also an earthy Taurus sun; pragmatic, logical, steadfast and cautious.

I think it is possible to feel this amount of confusion regarding the Asc but you must note that no one sign placement is consistently dominant.As people, we tend to alter between certain aspects of our personality ; depending on the environment we are in.

posted December 15, 2011 04:19 AM            

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^ nah I think I know alll about caps lol. I know alot of them, and have dated 3 cap guys, two also had cap mercuries. They all behave in a similar fashion o_O

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posted December 15, 2011 04:43 AM            

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Join the Asc confusion club [b]MysticalCat,I have been a member for a while now...

I also had the same confusion sorrounding my Asc and still do. That is why I've abandoned putting so much emphasis on it and just go with what "feels" right....

I noticed that you have a moon in Gemini. This moon position could account to why you love meeting new people so much.

Moon in Gemini is not so good at maintatining these relationships long-term though, do you often find that it is far more exciting making new acquaintances than building on old ones?

I am the direct opposite of that; must be cause my moon sign comes straight after yours. I am shy when it comes to meeting new people and tend to alternate between being aloof, reserved to friendly and bubbly(depending on the response the other person gives me).But I am never agressive....

You also mentioned deep seated insecurities that are not visible to people on the outside. I think this has to do with Mars being in Cancer(a very percepetive, sensitive and inwardly focused sign).Also the opposition to your sun in Capricorn might add to the mix as Mars is all about confidence. The aspect degree will intensifthe effect ofcourse.

My sister has the similar placement; moon in Cancer, Mars in Gemini. She is the absolute enetertainer, loves meeting new people and gravitates towards strangers very easily.

But she is also very sensitive(also a cross between leo/Cancer asc as my mom says she was born "around 12 noon"). Beneath her sensitivity though, is also an earthy Taurus sun; pragmatic, logical, steadfast and cautious.

I think it is possible to feel this amount of confusion regarding the Asc but you must note that no one sign placement is consistently dominant.As people, we tend to alter between certain aspects of our personality ; depending on the environment we are in.

To many people I come across very Capricorn(including my family), but am actually a Sag sun. Then again, I do have mercury there.

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Hahaha thanks for the club invite, totally honoured, man ;D

Hey what's your ascendant(s) supposed to be?
Haha yeah I'm so non agressive too, only Leo trait I don't relate to, but that's mainly because I'm Libra, Pisces & Cap dominant, the three calmest signs of the zodiac. I always thought Cancers were secretly agressive? They do apparently have the most serial killers y'know? :O
Mind you that's only Cancer suns.

Man, Sag is such a good sign to be born under, they are like the gypsy travelers of the zodiac, part time philosophers, full time awesome haha

Well my insecurity never shows in public, because when I'm in the spotlight I'm at home, it's when the spotlight's not on me thats I start doubting. Overall one of my main traits is assertiveness it always battles my inconfidence, just when I start to slip in to self criticising my assertive nature kicks in & I find a reason to shine.
I've been like this since a child, the only time when I appear avoidnant in public is when my ideals or pride/arrogance(I'm working on it) gets in the way, or if I'm hungry. No food = no function, I go into survival mode & reserve my energy for not starving to death lol.

posted December 16, 2011 05:22 AM            

Apparently, I have Aries on my Asc(which I find challenging to relate to).

Am more "mellowed out" than Aries asc descriptions say.But that could also be because, according to astro.com,my Mars in Libra opposes my Asc exactly.

That is why I suggested the whole Mars-sun opposition could be why you feel so insecure at times.

If my asc is correct, the asc-mars opposition in my chart could have a similar effect. I am painfully shy. So shy, in fact, that I have to talk myself out of it(even do some public speaking to keep it all in check).

That is why I believed I was Taurus Asc from the get go; turns out I could have been born up to an hour earlier than I thought. :-( :-(

My dominant signs are Scorpio, Sag and Libra respectively.But I relate a lot more with Sag-I am a geek in every sense of the word and Sag's ,to me, always have that goofy,dorky, clowny thing going on.