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Topic: aspects and trouble with law
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amelia28
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posted December 14, 2011 06:16 PM
  
What are some astrological indicators of someone that is always getting in trouble with the law for things most people would not get caught doing that are not huge deals? Would having mars as strongest planet and Aries as strongest planet do this?and if you know of any what are some astrological indicators that keep you from getting caught when breaking the law? IP: Logged |
Coffee
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posted December 14, 2011 06:21 PM
The 9th house is the place for legal/police matters. I guess the natal position is important, but would plump for current transits between house rulers 1 and 9. Positive aspects would get off lightly, while negative aspects would get into trouble.IP: Logged |
athenegoddess
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posted December 14, 2011 06:24 PM
Wrong answer.7th house is getting in trouble with the law. IP: Logged |
Capriquarius
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posted December 14, 2011 06:29 PM
I was having tSaturn square nSun when I got pulled over. The Sun also represents the father, and during this transit of mine he was going through a major investigation from legal authorities for his employees' actions. Edit: tSaturn was squaring his nMars :/Edit I'd surmise hard Saturn aspects as one. Uranus may defy authorities but would probably not be about the consequences, as Saturn is. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted December 14, 2011 07:24 PM
I know someone like this..poor guy.
He wouldn't even make a u-turn while no other cars were around, certain that the police would swoop in at just the right time.
Paranoia, is right.
It is such a funny thing, tho, never had I met someone who was like you describe to that degree until I met him. He'd been arrested for the most innocuous things, to hear him tell the story. I wasn't there, but I know I could've been arrested for a few things in my life and they just gave me a warning and let me go. For a planet, Saturn rules legal authorities. Mine is afflicted, but like I said I slide right by (never did anything rotten, teenage stuff, like having sex in public, or driving with no insurance/expired tags/suspended license when I was younger)..It's also exalted by sign and degree so maybe that's my saving grace. Here's his chart, aspect lines are for planets/luminaries, not for asteroids,
I wouldn't know who else to look at, as in a notable person, someone who would be in Astrodatabank. I'm guessing you mean someone who is not doing rotten things, they just look like easy targets to law enforcement, am I right? But for this guy, I don't really blame the police. He looks like he's hiding something even when he's not. And the Aquarius, he loves to think of himself as the ultimate rebel. A classic conspiracy theorist. IP: Logged |
scrappydog
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posted December 14, 2011 08:44 PM
I have known LOTS and LOTS of criminals who have gone to prison over and over again(Im a plutonic sun.) One of the biggest things I noticed was jupiter-pluto and saturn-pluto especially the sqaure. Several books I have on transits say to be careful with jupiter-pluto transits even if you dont normally get into trouble, they can indicate arrest.IP: Logged |
scrappydog
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posted December 14, 2011 08:51 PM
Something in the chart to indicate NOT getting caught? Grand Trine. Barbara Watters talks of this in her book The Astrologer Looks At Murder, she says that a grand trine can keep even violent criminals like murderes from getting caught or at least from getting caught for a very long time, they can tend to be "sucessful criminals".IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted December 14, 2011 09:33 PM
Saturn-Pluto sounds right.
My friend has an inconjunct.IP: Logged |
amelia28
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posted December 14, 2011 10:57 PM
my friend that gets in trouble for things a lot of people do has: jupiter semisquare pluto and Jupiter square Saturn and Uranus. He has jupiter in pisces. Does this mean his jupiter is afflicted?His jupiter is in the second(he is generous) His uranus in the 12th (he has been briefly at an asylum). I have uranus in the 12th though I haven't been in one but could very well work in one once I am done with masters). Saturn in the 11th.
Luckily he has a few grand trines so hopefully this will help keep the trouble he gets into to a minimum and manageable.
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amelia28
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posted December 14, 2011 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by scrappydog:
Something in the chart to indicate NOT getting caught? Grand Trine. Barbara Watters talks of this in her book The Astrologer Looks At Murder, she says that a grand trine can keep even violent criminals like murderes from getting caught or at least from getting caught for a very long time, they can tend to be "sucessful criminals".
Does the grand trine have to include saturn or jupiter? or it could be neptune/venus/mars grand trine or moon/venus/neptune grand trine?
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ElizabethO
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posted December 14, 2011 11:25 PM
I'm offering my chart. Long story short: I got arrested for getting into a fist fight while drunk. Guy deserved it...Anywho, got arrested, charged, plead no contest, and got 200 hours of community service. :/ Here are my transits the day I got arrested.  IP: Logged |
ElizabethO
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posted December 14, 2011 11:39 PM
Also, I should note that I do tend to get in trouble with the law for one reason or another. Besides punching that guy, it's never anything horrendous - mostly issues with my driving license and always getting pulled over. I almost got a DUI on Labor Day Weekend. I got to my car first, turned it on, and sat in the driver's seat to warm up while waiting for my brother to come drive us home. A cop on a bike was about to approach us right when I got out of the car to switch spots with my brother. Cop followed us for a good five miles until we reached a DUI stop point.Cops are either super suspicious of me, or completely clueless. For three years, I drove on a suspended license because I got three tickets before I turned 21. Tis the rules in Illinois. One ticket was speeding 7 over. One ticket was for rolling through instead of making a complete stop at a stop sign - It wasn't like I drove right through it! I pulled a California Roll... http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=california%20roll I'm still mad about that one... My third ticket was for turning right during a red light in the city when I didn't know you couldn't turn right between certain hours. When I moved to California, I got pulled over several times because my car was **** . The front plate fell off in the middle of the highway and I was too poor to buy new ones. The front right light was always going out because of wiring. Every time I got pulled over and they asked for my license, I would tell them that I got my wallet stolen and needed to go back home to Chicago to get it again. They always let me go with a warning. I didn't even have an insurance card to show them.  I'm trouble.  IP: Logged |
amelia28
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posted December 14, 2011 11:41 PM
Jupiter has to do with the law, religion, philosophy, higher learning and expands what it touches. Saturn rules consequences and is about discipline and restrictions. I can definitely see how jupiter having a hard aspect to saturn can translate with problems with the law whether over trivial or more serious things.Jupiter seems to represent society and what it considers acceptable, social norms. Hence why it rules laws and your conscious since not following social norms usually leads to guilt and or punishment whether the social norms are what is best or not when looking at the big picture it often results in guilt bc you were taught it is wrong, whether is actually wrong or not. Uranus is rebellious but for a good cause, the cause of freedom, and lets face it we live in a country that is less and less free every day that passes by as for the sake of so call security we keep letting the government take away more and more of our basic inherent rights for which this country is founded on. Uranus questions the letter of the law which Jupiter just obeys and follows. Saturn is karma, punishment, restriction and limitations. Saturn also deals with the letter of the law more than the spirit of the law. Jupiter square Uranus and Saturn totally explains my friend getting in trouble throughout his life for things that many get away with and are not that big of deal. Neptune and Uranus has more to do with the spirit of the law. Thanks everyone for your input! IP: Logged |
Capriquarius
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posted December 14, 2011 11:44 PM
ElizabethO: Interesting to see how a natal out-of-sign Sun-Saturn opposition plays out! IP: Logged |
ElizabethO
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posted December 14, 2011 11:44 PM
^ I have Sag Saturn/Uranus inconjunct Taurus Jupiter. It's actually a heavy aspect in my chart. It all makes sense now.  IP: Logged |
amelia28
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posted December 14, 2011 11:46 PM
You punched a guy Elizabeth! that is soo cool.
Why did you punch him LOL? I bet he crossed a line.
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ElizabethO
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posted December 14, 2011 11:47 PM
He called me a stupid **** , so instead of being above that... I decided to punch him. I actually wasn't even that drunk... I was intoxicated with anger, lol. Okay - fine - I was drunk...IP: Logged |
amelia28
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posted December 14, 2011 11:50 PM
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Originally posted by ElizabethO:
^ I have Sag Saturn/Uranus inconjunct Taurus Jupiter. It's actually a heavy aspect in my chart. It all makes sense now.
My friend has gotten arrested just for not big things and he never stayed for more than a day in jail the times he has gotten arrested. Perhaps in your case bc the aspect is inconjunct instead of a square you get in trouble but do not end up in jail over it either.
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amelia28
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posted December 14, 2011 11:51 PM
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Originally posted by ElizabethO:
He called me a stupid **** , so instead of being above that... I decided to punch him. I actually wasn't even that drunk... I was intoxicated with anger, lol. Okay - fine - I was drunk...
LOL......I love it!!!!!! I would like you! IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted December 14, 2011 11:55 PM
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jupiter opposite saturn
Hi,I have been studying this aspect for a few months. I have one conclusion about this aspect: The square between Jupiter and Saturn indicates bad judgement. The opposition is similiar to the square, but probably easier to work with. For the last few months, I used the site "www.prisonpenpals.net" to get the birthdates of prisoners in prison for murder, kidnapping, robbery, etc. In the site, prisoners place ads and write a brief description of why they are in prison and their birthdate is also listed. I cast the chart of more than 50 inmates who were in prison for SERIOUS offences and found that more than 50% of them had a square between jupiter and saturn. Although I had read that this aspect usually indicated poor judgement, my research definitely indicated that. If you think about it, the prisoners would not have been caught for their crimes if they had had good judgement. If they had good judgement, they would have thoroughly planned out their "robbery" or "murder." I realized that these criminals were people who had robbed a bank or killed someone in the spur of a moment -- not thinking out their actions (Some people would say they were just plain dumb, but I see it as very poor judgement). The people who HAVE carefully planned out their bank robberies and used good judgement are probably vacationing in Monaco right now. I assume that is why I did not find any criminals paying time for bank robberies and other crimes with any jupiter trine saturn aspect. In fact, they probably would not have robbed the bank in the first place and would have found some other way to get money
http://news.nodeorama.com/thread-1787.html IP: Logged |
ElizabethO
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posted December 14, 2011 11:59 PM
My Dad immediately got me a lawyer who happened to be good friends with my judge...  So instead of like 30 days in jail, which really translates to like 3-5 days tops because of overcrowding, I ended up with just community service. I'd rather go to county though. I had to stay overnight in county, actually. It was demoralizing, but the things I learned... if you ever want to get in trouble with the law, do it in California. A girl who was booked the same night as me was released the next morning with me. She was supposed to spend 90 days in jail for her 2nd DUI, and she spent 8 hours in jail because of overcrowding. State prisons are also being emptied, and county jails are now being used like state prisons. Jail was bad, but I'd rather have done that for two days tops than the five months of community service I had to do. :\Anyway, back on topic: I tend to get into trouble, but I am very lucky when it comes to getting out of it. The lawyer my father hired was just coincidence. My father had also coincidentally won a lot of money in poker a few nights prior, and used that money to get the lawyer. Must be the Taurus Jupiter in the 8th. The 8th house rules shared assets and inheritance. IP: Logged |
amelia28
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posted December 15, 2011 12:10 AM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
[QUOTE]jupiter opposite saturn
Hi,I have been studying this aspect for a few months. I have one conclusion about this aspect: The square between Jupiter and Saturn indicates bad judgement. The opposition is similiar to the square, but probably easier to work with. For the last few months, I used the site "www.prisonpenpals.net" to get the birthdates of prisoners in prison for murder, kidnapping, robbery, etc. In the site, prisoners place ads and write a brief description of why they are in prison and their birthdate is also listed. I cast the chart of more than 50 inmates who were in prison for SERIOUS offences and found that more than 50% of them had a square between jupiter and saturn. Although I had read that this aspect usually indicated poor judgement, my research definitely indicated that. If you think about it, the prisoners would not have been caught for their crimes if they had had good judgement. If they had good judgement, they would have thoroughly planned out their "robbery" or "murder." I realized that these criminals were people who had robbed a bank or killed someone in the spur of a moment -- not thinking out their actions (Some people would say they were just plain dumb, but I see it as very poor judgement). The people who HAVE carefully planned out their bank robberies and used good judgement are probably vacationing in Monaco right now. I assume that is why I did not find any criminals paying time for bank robberies and other crimes with any jupiter trine saturn aspect. In fact, they probably would not have robbed the bank in the first place and would have found some other way to get money
http://news.nodeorama.com/thread-1787.html [/QUOTE]Excellent point and input. My friend has cap rising though so he tries to stay out of trouble and is always trying to do the right thing but yeah I could totally see that the problem when it comes down to it is poor judgement. Judgement will have a great influence on whether a person gets caught or not. He is really smart, a bit genius, but can also see how he can be reckless and absentminded at times. IP: Logged |
Coffee
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posted December 15, 2011 12:17 AM
ElizabethO, 1st and 9th house rulers, VENUS and MERCURY, are a semi sextile away, with Venus just passing an exact semi-sextile to natal Mercury. Seems you got off lightly from what you say.IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted December 15, 2011 12:18 AM
If he has Capricorn ASC then the Saturn square to Jupiter is even more prominent, since Saturn is the chart ruler.IP: Logged |
Femme
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posted December 15, 2011 12:32 AM
This thread caught my eye AS I have SR Saturn Libra in first house opposite Jupiter Taurus in 7th (conjunct Taurus Moon). SR Asc Libra. It is being supported on the Jupiter side by an earth GT. And both are being aspected by trine/sextile Neptune in 5th. SR Mars conjunct n Pluto. PS: right before my Bday, my brother was assaulted to the point that he has Traumatic Brain Injury. Sorry to steal the thread. I hope I don't end up arrested for as really just so tempted to make a nuisance of myself to get answers. Very slow boil angry.IP: Logged |
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