posted December 17, 2011 04:52 PM            

Venus doesn't condition our emotions from birth. The Sun represents the father and the Moon represents the Mother and the rest of the seven planets govern everything else.

posted December 17, 2011 06:08 PM            

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Originally posted by downtomars:
When we first got to know each other he said "I'm just glad that you don't think I am too weird"...

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posted December 17, 2011 06:23 PM            

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no woman compares to his mother!

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That's a mother-issue in itself

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As far as I've read..

Moon/Venus are different facets of the way we perceived our primary female role-model growing up.

Sun/Mars are different facets of the way we perceived our primary male role-model growing up.

Sexuality (Venus/Mars) is an area where we are very directly influenced by our parents and their own attitudes towards relationship/sex.

I think a person with Venus square Mars -- has parents who were in a love/hate relationship when they were kids. Their parents were passionately in love but also passionately couldn't stand each other at times.

downtomars -

posted December 17, 2011 06:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:

IMO a man who has *both* Venus square Mars and Venus in Aries - can be very toxic in a relationship to a wide variety of women.

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posted December 17, 2011 07:24 PM            

They take the view that women 'should be' aggressive in relationships. They are very stubborn and unyielding in this perspective. They strongly criticize and have a desire to harm (Aries again..) women who do not behave aggressively enough both socially and sexually in their romantic relationships.

Basically, like a child - they will stomp on their feet and want you to be the way they want you to be.. and if you are not - then it is your fault... so they'll throw a tantrum about it!
There is almost no ability to compromise or to understand the other's perspective.. (the opposite of Libra Venus).

If Aries Venus was coupled with a *strong* Mars like Scorpio/Aries/Leo and well-aspected (Capricorn I'm not so sure - because of the square... but it might be an exception)... then the guy is usually more level-headed. He has an inner-strength coming from his Mars and a confidence that makes him more stable and trustworthy.
This will not overrule the immaturity coming from the Aries Venus placement... but it will give him the desire to 'stand by his girl' so to speak. So - there is a stronger desire/ability to make a relationship work imo

BUT with a passive Mars like Cancer/Pisces/Taurus --
it's really the *worst*... I don't know how else to put it. They are just lazzzzzzzzzzy.... and they think that all that is expected of them is to look pretty and have a hard-on every so often. They don't understand the give&take in a relationship at all!

posted December 17, 2011 07:50 PM            

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wtf someone said Pisces moon

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I can't make-up a rule about the placement.
But the ones I know have issues..
I'll give examples:

1. Leo guy with Pisces Moon - VERY close to his mother.. In fact he will never take a decision or act or do anything at all unless his mother gives her approval first. He is 26 yrs old! He wanted to move to a different city and his mother disapproved of it so he did not. He fell in love with a girl - His mother did not like her.. so he dumped her.
If this is not a mother "issue" I'm not sure what is.
Like the guy mentioned above - he thinks his mother is Jesus Christ in female form.. He probably prays to her O_O and sleeps with her photo... It seems no woman or man or being on the face of the planet can come close.
I feel like he is very emotionally manipulated by her. She is very controlling.

2. Cancer guy with Pisces Moon - Mother was very ill ever since he was young. He had to take care of her because his dad was not around. He does care about her but he also resents her because he is always taking care of her - and does not have much of a life outside this.

3. Pisces guy with Pisces Moon - Very NASTY towards women he is sexually attracted to. Both of his parents have given him an extra religious upbringing and taught him that sex is evil... So he is looking for a very asexual woman who looks like she has just come out of the sea (like a mermaid or some other ethereal character).
He is critical of all *actual* women because none are as saintly as his mother.. and he likes to find ways to 'punish' them.

posted December 17, 2011 08:23 PM            

If it is a Pisces Moon that is well aspected, you can bet they don't have mother issues.

posted December 17, 2011 09:00 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
First of all, the Moon is the Mother figure no matter what. Not Venus. Venus is Love in all forms. Not the mother.

Venus doesn't condition our emotions from birth. The Sun represents the father and the Moon represents the Mother and the rest of the seven planets govern everything else.

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That seems to work.

I have
-Sun square ASC
-Moon trine ASC
These describe my relationship with my parents perfectly.

My brother has
-Sun opposite Moon
Soon after he was born, our father left us.

posted December 17, 2011 09:19 PM            

My father was very special.. I have a good relationship with him. My mother and I were so close when I was younger, but when I started to get older, she turned into a cold woman and I remember thinking ' why did god curse me with a mother like this'? I'm telling you, she was abusive, and not physically abusive but emotionally and that is really hard on a Cancer like me. I also have Chiron at 0 Cancer ( so I know this problem with my mom is new, well it is new for this current incarnation).

Anyway, It took alot of strength for me to keep my head up when I was younger, But I did because I knew I was special. After awhile, I decided that I would never think I was a lesser person just because my mother was horrible. Because going through that experience makes me who I am. And I love who I am. I am now grateful for my life and all my lessons.

posted December 17, 2011 10:25 PM            

I hate to go off track but you pretty much hit the nail on the head about the guy I was talking about.

I remember a post you wrote not too long ago about men with Venus in Aries expecting the woman to be outgoing, aggressive types because these are traits that they lack. I didn't respond because he is the only man I know with that placement (I know two women with it though), but it is true about him! He has Venus in Aries (an obviously afflicted Venus, judging by the aspects), Mars in Cancer and he is a Taurus Sun - he is a bump on a log in bed and in the relationship! While he would be very sensual he expected me to be the aggressor sexually. Unfortunately, even though I have Venus in Leo and Mars in Gemini, I am really 7th house heavy, Venus is conjunct my DC and my Moon is in Libra - I am not at all aggressive in relationships/bed. I like the man to take on the "traditional male role" in that department.

He is also a self-proclaimed "very selfish man". I hate to get all Oprah by way of Maya Angelou but when someone shows you who they are believe them (especially when they are flat out telling you!). I should have thought about that at the time...

Our Venuses formed an partile trine though (0 Aries, 0 Leo) so we had the same tastes in everything but in the love department

Anyway, back on track:

This man idealized his mother. He had so many stories about how great she is, which is very sweet, to a point. It is great that he respects his mother, that is important (only important because he was not abused in any way, if he was then I would not expect him to be respectful in any way). He hardly ever mentioned his dad. I think only to say "he's a good lawyer" and when his father would call (they were working on a case together) he would turn into a little, nervous boy...He obviously wanted to impress his father though. He wanted to be a cop, but went for law instead, like his dad. A whole thing...

posted December 17, 2011 10:34 PM            

Did you have to do the initial chasing in the relationship? Was he aggressive about dating you?

posted December 17, 2011 10:45 PM            

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Originally posted by downtomars:
He actually chased me so I thought "hey, this is my type of man!". But when he caught me, I had to do all of the work. I thought "maybe he's just not that into me!" but he told me about his past dating experiences and there is a pattern of him chasing and then turning into a baby.

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posted December 17, 2011 11:00 PM            

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Originally posted by downtomars:
True Confession, Sad Truth: I actually think about getting back with this man! We ended things ambiguously where either one of us would be open to starting things again. This is his pattern also - he told me about how this one woman went out with him, then called him a year after they broke up and, since they were both single, they started dating again. My problem is I really don't want to meet another new person, his problem is his passivity. Writing on the board has made me realize that I need to move on! While he was a pretty cool guy, he is not that appealing, relationship-wise, after all...

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Ah! Sad, but true. In fact, this guy I kinda-sorta know is like that. A cool guy, but from what I've gathered through the grapevine, he's just not a *relationship* guy. Or at least he hasn't yet grown into one. Given that he's pushing 50, well, that's just sad. Guess that's his path, though.

Yeah, it is real tough to move on. I don't like dating myself. All the awkwardness, and trying to find someone you *fit* with... Blech.. It's very boring, lonely and time-consuming. It's all worth it when you find the right one. Oh, but if it were only easier to *find* that one! Agh!