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posted December 20, 2011 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
House system used is Whole Sign. Though equal is not too far off. The good part about whole sign is having a possibly different house ruler for the MC and IC. Think of it this way - the IC is the house you live in, which can be moved anywhere (like a prefab house) and the 4th ruler is the land which the house sits on, which cannot be moved.

When you do house rulers, the planet that rules the sign represents anything to do with that house. If you are Scorpio rising, Pluto is the ruler of your 1st house, and so Pluto represents anything to do with house 1, in the natal or in transit. When looking to see how your doing at work, I'd look at house rulers 1 (self) and 6 (work) in relation to each other.

House rulers to be used are the modern ones:

Aries - MARS
Taurus/Libra - VENUS
Gemini/Virgo - MERCURY
Cancer - MOON
Leo - SUN
Scorpio - PLUTO
Sagittarius - JUPITER
Capricorn - SATURN
Aquarius - URANUS
Pisces - NEPTUNE

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amelia28
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posted December 20, 2011 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ElizabethO:
Muchas gracias! Yours is the first chart that I went extensively into and really studied. Other times have been at random on LL.

The ones I got wrong:
Moon Square Neptune 5°13
Saturn Conjunction Pluto 4°25
Sun Square Neptune 1°35


Hmm, methinks I should be applying the houses rulers to the symbolisms of each planet, I wrote them above.

So instead of:

Neptune square Moon (Ruler of 8th House) : YOUR HOME/MOTHER is conflicting with your JOINT FINANCES, DEATH, SEXUALITY.

It would be:

Neptune square Moon (Ruler of 8th House) : YOUR HOME/MOTHER is conflicting with your PSYCHE when it comes to JOINT FINANCES, DEATH, SEXUALITY.

Does this make more sense? I was really surprised that you didn't have some sort of "debt" or loss because of your mother... There were signs here and there of affliction with the energy coming from your 4th house (Saturn). Makes me wonder if I should reinvestigate the 2nd House a little more. We always attach material possessions and assets with the 2nd House. The 2nd House is also about HOW we acquire these things, so perhaps I should focus more on that.

How I initially interpreted this was that you were disillusioned (Neptune) when it comes to your emotional security/psyche (Moon) in regards to 8th House issues. The 8th House rules death, sexuality, secrets, other people’s resources that you benefit from, and inheritance. I've always wondered if the 8th House or the 12th House is the house of Sacrifice. From what I've read, it's the 8th House... which makes sense because its opposite, the 2nd house, is about acquirement. So perhaps it's:

Neptune square Moon (Ruler of 8th House) : YOUR HOME/MOTHER is conflicting with your PSYCHE when it comes to your views on SACRIFICE, JOINT FINANCES & SEXUALITY.

HMMM, now that I'm awake and it's not 3am I have to re-analyze everything with fresh(Mer) eyes.

I need to finish the rest later. It takes so long... It took me like 2.5 hours last night to get through the first half.


If I am not materialistic is because of my mother. She taught me that money is important so you can live a comfortable life but that you should be practical and frugal with it. She made it really clear as a child that you have to work hard for your money and that money doesn't grow on trees. I was the type of child who at a very young age was understanding of this and as a result didn't pressure my mom to get me expensive things and would just be grateful that I always had a what I need.


I feel that this aspect represents that I wasn't spoiled as a child and that my mother taught me good values in connection to money. Perhaps the fact that moon conjuncts IC buffered the moon square neptune since moon conjunct IC means you grew up with everything you needed. My mom has also been big on charity and perhaps this is another layer of moon square neptune and the values she taught in connection to money.

What do you think? You think this explains it?

BC my mom and I are not struggling or have debts that we can't pay for. We have always done alright.

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posted December 20, 2011 06:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
EDIT: also my mom is uncomfortable with 8th house topics (sex, death, the occult, the underworld) and she wanted me to wait until I got married to lose my virginity hence it could also be that our views or comfort level on 8th house subjects/matters are at odds and conflict with each other.

I bet is this!

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ElizabethO
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posted December 21, 2011 04:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ElizabethO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
CECILE!! HERE'S YOUR INTERP.

I'm going to try a different translation style so it's easier to read and understand. Also, I'm using an orb of 3-4 degrees, for simplicity's sake. You can use an orb up to 7. Depends on the person looking at the chart. I usually will only look at 3-4 degrees or less, unless the person asks for a wider orb.

1st House (PERSONA) : Scorpio - Pluto
You fulfill the needs of your PERSONA in a passionate, instinctual, and shrewd manner. Your focus is on matters of regeneration, evolution, and sexuality. Pluto is in retrograde, so you express these needs in an introverted manner.

Aspects:
Pluto trine Mercury
Pluto square Mars

Pluto trine Mercury: Your PERSONA is enhanced by your 8th (JOINT FINANCES, DEATH, SEXUALITY) and 11th (FRIENDSHIPS & SOCIETY) houses. You are communicative, verbal, and cerebral about topics such as death, rebirth, and power.

Pluto square Mars: Your PERSONA is afflicted by your 6th (SERVICE, WORK ETHIC) house. How you come across is incompatible with the skills and attitude you've acquired or is expected of you in regards to WORK and SERVICE. Your PERSONA is passionate, instinctual, and shrewd while your WORK ETHIC is by raw energy. Your PERSONA is secretive and deliberate, while your WORK ETHIC is bold and abrasive. It is not easy for you to combine these two energies.

2nd House (ASSETS) : Sagittarius - Jupiter
You acquire your ASSETS and handle your PERSONAL FINANCES in a generous and progressive manner.

Aspects:
Jupiter sextile Chiron
Jupiter trine Uranus

Jupiter sextile Chiron: Your PERSONAL FINANCES and ASSETS are supplemented by your inner WOUNDED HEALER. You are self-confident when you've acquired many physical comforts. Your karmic lesson is understanding the true meaning of self-worth, and to teach this lesson to others.

Jupiter trine Uranus: Your PERSONAL FINANCES and ASSETS are enhanced by your 4th (HOME, MOTHER) house. Fortunate home conditions. Good social position. There is something out of the ordinary or eccentric about your home life which has affected how you view the material world.

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posted December 21, 2011 04:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ElizabethO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
3rd House (LOWER MIND) : Capricorn - Saturn
A serious, scholarly MENTALITY. Self-censored and self-conscious in communication. An astute yet disciplined mind. Saturn is in retrograde, so you express your needs in an introverted manner.

Aspects:
Saturn inconjunct Venus

Saturn inconjunct Venus: Your LOWER MIND is not compatible with your 7th (RELATIONSHIPS) and 12th (KARMA, ENEMIES, SECRETS) houses. Your LOWER MIND is serious and disciplined, but your LOVE life is quite the opposite. You are open to experience of love (perhaps even a bit too eager), but are less open about discussing it or find difficultly in expressing your deeper visions of love. The same can be said for your past wounds and karmic debts. You need to develop your third eye to see further into your psyche and discover your soul's path to enlightenment.

Alternatively, serious relationships are sparse as a "worthwhile" opportunity for one doesn't come around too often. Can't always get what you want (Venus), or want what you get (Saturn)!

4th House (HOME, MOTHER) : Aquarius - Uranus
An eccentric home. Mother may have been emotionally aloof or absent. May have had too much "freedom" in the home - not enough warmth or emotional nurturing. May have moved around randomly. Uranus is in retrograde, so you express your needs in regards to HOME or from your MOTHER an introverted manner.

Aspects:
Uranus trine Jupiter: See above.
Uranus inconjunct Sun
Uranus square Moon

Uranus inconjunct Sun: Your HOME and/or MOTHER is incompatible with your 10th (CAREER) house. You have a difficult time fusing your work life with your home life. Alternatively, your mother may not be supportive or understand your chosen career or life path.

Uranus square Moon: Your HOME and/or MOTHER is afflicted by your 9th (HIGHER MIND) house. Your domestic life provided adequate amounts of academic support and basic necessities, but it is not a natural provider of emotional support. Your HIGHER MIND seeks transcendence through harmony and nurturing. These two energies are at odds with each other.

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posted December 21, 2011 04:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ElizabethO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
5th House (SELF-EXPRESSION, CREATIVITY) : Pisces - Neptune
An altruistic disposition towards children and romantic affairs. You find escape through artistic and creative endeavors. Children will be a major source of disillusionment. Neptune is in retrograde, so you express your creativity in an introverted manner.

Aspects:
Neptune sextile Pluto
Neptune inconjunct Mars
Neptune opposition Mercury

Neptune sextile Pluto: Your SELF-EXPRESSION is supplemented by your 1st (PERSONA) house. The way you see romance is compatible with how you wish to express yourself. Romantically, you are giving and supportive while you also strive to BE protective and steadfast.

Neptune inconjunct Mars: Your SELF-EXPRESSION is incompatible with your 6th (SERVICE/WORK ETHIC) house. Simply put, how you come across personally and romantically is far different than how you choose to act or are expected to act in a professional atmosphere. On a personal/romantic level, you are giving and supporting. On the other hand, at work, you choose to be or are required to be caustic and aggressive. These two energies have no middle ground.

Neptune opposition Mercury: Your SELF-EXPRESSION is the opposite of your 8th (JOINT FINANCES, DEATH, SEXUALITY) and 11th (FRIENDSHIPS & SOCIETY) houses. You are communicative, verbal and cerebral when it comes to matters of SEXUALITY and HUMAN INTERESTS. However, you express yourself creativity and romantically in an indirect, imaginative, and often vague manner. These two energies go in opposite directions, attempting to achieve the same results but in contrasting methods.

6th House (SERVICE/WORK ETHIC) : Aries - Mars
You are a hard worker. A fearless and natural born leader. Health wise, you are mentally and physically active but may suffer from restlessness or insomnia.

Aspects:
Mars inconjunct Neptune (see above)
Mars square Pluto (see above)

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posted December 21, 2011 04:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ElizabethO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
7th House (RELATIONSHIPS) : Taurus - Venus
Constantly searching for a partner, but also very stubborn and particular about who you will settle down with. You take marriage very seriously. Your ideal mate is firm but sensual, and you wouldn't mind if he came along with a little bling bling for you to keep. Financial stability is very important to you.

Aspects:
Venus inconjunct Saturn (see above)

8th House (JOINT FINANCES, DEATH, SEXUALITY) : Gemini - Mercury
You are communicative, verbal, and cerebral about matters pertaining to JOINT FINANCES, DEATH, SEXUALITY.

Aspects:
Mercury opposite Neptune (see above)
Mercury trine Pluto (see above)

9th House (HIGHER MIND) : Cancer - Moon
Your HIGHER MIND is deeply in sync with your psyche and natural instincts. You often contemplate spiritual truths behind your nature. You are accepting of all cultures, inviting all walks of life into your home. Home is wherever your heart is, which can be many places - at the same time. Strong emotional ties to your belief system.

Aspects:
Moon square Chiron
Moon square Uranus (see above)

Moon square Chiron: Your HIGHER MIND is afflicted by your WOUNDED HEALER. Your HIGHER MIND is otherworldly, elusive, and vague. The WOUNDED HEALER is in Gemini, which desires to be heard. Your HIGHER MIND is often misunderstood, but does not care much for explaining itself. Your WOUNDED HEALER feels intellectually inferior, and seeks healing through learning to share one's innermost thoughts and ideas. These two energies are at odds with each other.

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10th House (CAREER) : Leo - Sun
Ambitious. Dominant. Independent. You'd do best with your business, with you as the boss. Your career is very important to your EGO. You demand the best from those who work with you, and are hardest on yourself most of all. Good public standing.

Aspects:
Sun inconjunct Uranus (see above)

11th House (FRIENDSHIPS & SOCIETY) : Virgo - Mercury
An altruistic, helpful friend and member of SOCIETY. You are communicative, verbal, and cerebral in your handling of friends and human issues. A natural organizer and planner of social functions. You meet friends mostly through your associations, notably work or volunteer work. You are critical of friends and associates, which often makes your social circle small since you are picky about the people you associate yourself with and trust.

Aspects:
Mercury opposite Neptune (see above)
Mercury trine Pluto (see above)

12th House (KARMA, ENEMIES, SECRETS) : Libra - Venus
The 12th house is where we put away parts of ourselves that we wish to keep secret. Libra is a social and collaborative. When putting that aspect away, you become a loner. Collaborations with others have often gotten you in trouble for being at the wrong place and the wrong time. Karmic lessons are learning to be more involved with others lives without causing trouble for yourself.

Aspects:
Venus inconjunct Saturn (see above)

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posted December 21, 2011 04:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ElizabethO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My brain requests no more requests, please. For this week anyway. Amelia, I will finish the rest of your chart after I get some much needed sleep. I've had crazy insomnia this week.

Goodnight. FOREVER.


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posted December 21, 2011 06:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ElizabethO:
My brain requests no more requests, please. For this week anyway. Amelia, I will finish the rest of your chart after I get some much needed sleep. I've had crazy insomnia this week.

Goodnight. FOREVER.


OH god that is the cutest cat ever!!!!!!! sweetdreams hon.......

Liquid melatonin combined with 5HTP and calcium with magnesium could help with your insomnia.. at least help. Worth a shot.

do the rest when you are up for it and in the moood for it...no rush.

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posted March 11, 2019 09:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leo-Cancer98     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ElizabethO:
YTA, here you go :

Every planet represents the "will" and influence of each sign of the Zodiac. How each planet was assigned to each sign on the Zodiac is primarily based off of mythology then years upon years of research and observation. Each planet serves as the different basic forms of human nature, and Astrology is the study of how those energies manifest in your life. Etc, etc.

House Ruler: You look at the sign that is at the CUSP of your house - what sign that house begins in. The "natural ruler" - or assigned planet - to that sign is the House Ruler.

So this is how you would look at your chart (I use Placidus):

House 1 - Pisces - Ruler is NEPTUNE
House 2 - Aries - Ruler is MARS
House 3 - Taurus - Ruler is VENUS
House 4 - Gemini - Ruler is MERCURY
House 5 - Cancer - Ruler is MOON
House 6 - Leo - Ruler is SUN
House 7 - Virgo - Ruler is MERCURY
House 8 - Libra - Ruler is VENUS
House 9 - Scorpio - Ruler is PLUTO
House 10 - Sagittarius - Ruler is JUPITER
House 11 - Capricorn - Ruler is SATURN
House 12 - Aquarius - Ruler is URANUS


According to the 3 professional astrologers I’ve had first-hand experience with, Pisces is ruled by Jupiter.

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posted March 12, 2019 12:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lerena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Leo-Cancer98:
According to the 3 professional astrologers I’ve had first-hand experience with, Pisces is ruled by Jupiter.
Jupiter is the traditional ruler for Pisces. The modern ruler for it is Neptune and its co-ruler is Jupiter. The professional astrologers you mentioned could be Vedic astrologers or just people that prefer the traditional rulers for the signs.

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posted March 12, 2019 04:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wonder what happened to Elizabeth. I wanted to ask her about something she said in 2011.

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