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ElizabethO
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posted December 19, 2011 11:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ElizabethO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone else focus primarily on House Rulerships during Natal Chart Analysis? I know Coffee does because I first got the idea from him. I'm just wondering if anyone else does. Also, if anyone wants to play guinea pig, I'll analyse your chart using this method and you can tell me if it sounds correct.

I've found that analyzing House Rulerships gives you a well-rounded understanding of how different energies are exchanged within one's chart.

For example, in my chart (doing this in the third person):

The 1st House represents the PERSONA, the Chart Ruler.
1st house (Libra) ruler = Venus Rx (PLEASURE, ATTRACTION)
Aspects:
1st house ruler conjunct Mercury Rx (COMMUNICATION)
1st house ruler square Mars (RAW ENERGY)

In this case, the PERSONA is expressed with "Venusian" qualities (romantic, cooperative). The PERSONA conjunct Mercury Rx means the subjects intellect is always connected to their PERSONA. With Venus and Mercury both in Rx, this energy is focused inwardly, so these qualities are muted and introverted.

Also, Mercury Rx is the ruler of the 9th house, the house of the HIGHER MIND. The Chart Ruler conj. the 9th House ruler manifests into a PERSONA that is merged with the processes of the subject's HIGHER MIND.

The subjects PERSONA and HIGHER MIND are at odds with their Mars (RAW ENERGY). This manifests into a problems with impulsive communication (HIGHER MIND against RAW ENERGY) and surprisingly aggressive behavior ("Venusian" PERSONA against RAW ENERGY) both provoked and arbitrary during debates surrounding subjects of the HIGHER MIND (Religion, Philosophy, etc).

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I'll do another: The 2nd House. This is one is less involved.

2nd House represents PERSONAL FINANCES & ASSETS.
2nd house (Scorpio) ruler = Pluto (death, rebirth, power)
Aspects:
2nd house ruler trine Sun (ego)
2nd house ruler sextile Neptune (illusion, dreams, subconscious)

The second house rules how the subject handles personal financial matters. The subject acquired assets in a "Plutonian" fashion: protective, strategic with a heavy fear of loss.

Pluto is trine the Sun. Their EGO is enhanced by what they OWN & ACQUIRE. More often than not, the EGO depends the talents of Pluto to bolster their self-esteem. Karmic lessons include learning to find value in one's most inner strengths rather than possessing resources for the sake of power or security.

Also, the Sun is the ruler of the 11th House. That means the subjects PERSONAL FINANCES & ASSETS are merged with their FRIENDSHIPS & SOCIETY. This one speaks for itself. FRIENDSHIPS are often opportunities for advancement or investments. May denote joint finances with organizations or higher causes.

Pluto is sextile Neptune. Their PERSONAL FINANCES & ASSETS suppliment their SUBCONSCIOUS and ILLUSIONS. Native may make money through artistic pursuits, but often chases dreams of being wealthy. You may escape reality through your material possessions, believing that wealth and the acquirement of wealth is all you need to make you feel happy, secure, and in control of your life. Obviously, we all know that this is not the case. Again, karmic lessons include learning to find value in one's most inner strengths rather than possessing resources for the sake of power or security.

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Does any of this make sense? I need to rest, and I'll come back with more. Comment below please .

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posted December 20, 2011 12:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ElizabethO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Keywords (that everyone should already know anyway):

1st House: PERSONA
2nd House: PERSONAL FINANCES & ASSETS
3rd House: LOWER MIND
4th House: HOME/MOTHER
5th House: SELF-EXPRESSION/CREATIVITY
6th House: SERVICE/WORK ETHIC
7th House: RELATIONSHIPS
8th House: JOINT FINANCES, DEATH, SEXUALITY
9th House: HIGHER MIND
10th House: CAREER
11th House: FRIENDSHIPS & SOCIETY
12th House: SECRETS, KARMIC DEBTS, ENEMIES

Sun: EGO
Moon: PSYCHE
Mercury: COMMUNICATION
Venus: PLEASURE, ATTRACTION
Mars: RAW ENERGY, PASSION, SEXUALITY
Jupiter: PHILOSOPHY, EXPANSION
Saturn: RESPONSIBILITY, STRUCTURE
Uranus: REBELLION, INNOVATION
NEPTUNE: ILLUSIONS, DREAMS, SUBCONSCIOUS
Pluto: DEATH, REBIRTH, POWER

EDIT:
Conjunction: Merged
Trine: Enhanced
Sextile: Supplimentary

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posted December 20, 2011 12:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BelligerentPygmy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*eyes glaze over*

This requires too much thought this late at night.

*thinks about chocolate cake*

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posted December 20, 2011 12:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Use me as guinea pig ..

Sun Virgo 28°05'51 in house 10 direct
Moon Pisces 21°17'17 in house 4 direct
Mercury Virgo 17°12'54 end of house 9 retrograde
Venus Leo 23°51'56 in house 9 direct
Mars Leo 24°47'42 in house 9 direct
Jupiter Sagittarius 5°14'52 in house 12 direct
Saturn Scorpio 2°39'05 in house 11 direct
Uranus Sagittarius 5°41'40 in house 12 direct
Neptune Sagittarius 26°30'41 in house 1 direct
Pluto Libra 28°13'38 in house 11 direct
True Node Gemini 19°42'12 in house 7 retrograde
Planets at the end of a house are interpreted in the next house.

House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Sagittarius 13°31'49
2nd House Capricorn 13°31'38
3rd House Aquarius 15°45'17
Imum Coeli Pisces 19°11'15
5th House Aries 20°44'08
6th House Taurus 18°31'47
Descendant Gemini 13°31'49
8th House Cancer 13°31'38
9th House Leo 15°45'17
Medium Coeli Virgo 19°11'15
11th House Libra 20°44'08
12th House Scorpio 18°31'47

Major aspects
Sun Opposition Moon 6°49
Sun Sextile Jupiter 7°09
Sun Sextile Uranus 7°36
Sun Square Neptune 1°35
Moon Opposition Mercury 4°04
Moon Quincunx Venus 2°35
Moon Square Neptune 5°13
Moon Square Ascendant 7°45
Mercury Square Ascendant 3°41
Venus Conjunction Mars 0°56
Venus Trine Neptune 2°39
Venus Sextile Pluto 4°22
Mars Trine Neptune 1°43
Mars Sextile Pluto 3°26
Jupiter Conjunction Uranus 0°27
Saturn Conjunction Pluto 4°25
Neptune Sextile Pluto 1°43
Numbers indicate orb (deviation from the exact aspect angle).

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posted December 20, 2011 12:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
*eyes glaze over*

This requires too much thought this late at night.

*thinks about chocolate cake*


I get the munchies at night too...it would be nice to have near by a munchies night delivery business to cater all your munchies night time needs LOL (:

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posted December 20, 2011 12:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is the correct way to do astrology - by looking at astrology from a house point of view, as opposed to a planet point of view. How do I know this? I've tested the both ways of doing astrology against the sports results? Guess which didn't work? Also against my own natal chart, but everyone knows you can't do any serious testing against someones own subjective opinion.

This way of interpreting astrology - starting with house 1 and working your way around, is much clearer and organised than before.

There are two ways to do astrology this way - one which will satisfy your need for doing astrology from a planet perspective (almost) - it goes something like this:

1. Link one house ruler to another. 1st ruler is conjunct 3rd ruler. Self (1st) is linked with mind (3rd) showing the intelligence link.

2. Link ONE house ruler to a planet. This is what I call 'isolation.' 1st ruler is conjunct Mars which shows that you are comfortable on your own and you are very assertive (positive aspect.)

When interpreting this way, I must stress that I DO NOT link the houses on the inside. Why? It's too much to interpret. Not only do you interpret the sign on house, but you also interpret any houses which are linked by the house ruler on the inside of the wheel, but also any isolated planets as shown in option two, when you just link one house ruler to a planet, by aspect.

Sign on house, house ruler aspects. That's enough for anyone to follow and give interpretations.

Any questions Elizabeth. hope this was clear enough. Thanks for attempting another way of looking at astrology. I just wish more would do the same and not be scared of throwing away all that they have learned so far. Some just have a fear of knowing what they have learned, and sent out there in messages, could very much be the wrong way for them and others to do astrology. They don't want to admit they could be wrong.

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posted December 20, 2011 04:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ElizabethO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I AM SO FREAKING TIRED, but I finished the first half of your interpretation, Amelia. It isn't perfect, especially towards the end because I'm too tired to care for coherence. I will finish the rest. Luckily, this helped me kill my insomnia for the night.

Here we go. I'll make this very abridged. I need to train myself to be less verbose.

1st House (PERSONA) : Sagittarius - Jupiter
Aspects
Jupiter conjunct Uranus
Jupiter sextile Sun

Jupiter + Uranus (Ruler of 3rd) : Merging of PERSONA and LOWER MIND. An expansive mind interested in literature, language, and communication.

Jupiter sextile Sun (Ruler of 9th House) : EGO supports need for EXPANSION, which supports the efforts of the EGO.

2nd House (ASSETS) : Capricorn - Saturn
Aspects
Saturn conjunct Pluto

Saturn + Pluto (Ruler of 12th House) : Merging of ASSETS and SECRETS, KARMIC DEBTS, ENEMIES.

Saturn and Pluto create a need for structured control and controlled structure. You have a very strong need for control in your life, often bolstering your own defenses. You feel the need to eliminate any extraneous material possessions that may interfere with financial responsibility. You live by the bare bones of life.

Father may have been missing or absent during childhood, which led to premature financial responsibility and harsh lessons as a child - most likely from the motherly figure. Astrology aside, I have a feeling that your mother took the role of "father" and overcompensated. Yes? No? This one is intuition.

3rd House (LOWER MIND) : Aquarius - Uranus
Aspects
Uranus sextile Sun
Uranus conjunct Jupiter

Uranus sextile Sun (Ruler of 9th House) : REBELLION supports the need of the EGO, which supports the subject's need for INNOVATION. These efforts are focused on subjects of the HIGHER MIND.

Jupiter + Uranus : See interpretation above.

A very unique, independent mind - perhaps shockingly outlandish at times.

4th House (HOME, MOTHER) : Pisces - Neptune
Aspects
Neptune square Sun
Neptune square Moon
Neptune trine Venus
Neptune trine Mars
Neptune sextile Pluto

Note : Girrrrrrl, you have a lot of karmic debts in your 4th house, especially with your mother. I can already tell that you two do NOT get along.

Neptune square Sun (Ruler of 9th House) : YOUR HOME/MOTHER is conflicting with your HIGHER MIND. Either the home you grew up restricted your ability to experience different planes of spirituality, or your mother does not approve of your choice of spirituality. College (HIGHER EDUCATION) was a particularly difficult time for you. Your MOTHER did not support your choice of career or field of study. Mother was over protective of what you were exposed to on all subjects pertaining to the 9th House.

Neptune square Moon (Ruler of 8th House) : YOUR HOME/MOTHER is conflicting with your JOINT FINANCES, DEATH, SEXUALITY. From what I saw in your 2nd house, intuitively I feel as if you have a heavy financial burden to carry... perhaps because of your mother or something that happened over time. If not a financial debt, it may be a debt of self-worth that you've felt over time because of your living situation growing up. I feel like you were deprived of something, but not sure... has to do with personal worth (which can really be defined in many ways...) and your mother.

Neptune trine Venus (Ruler of 6th House/11th House) : YOUR HOME/MOTHER is enhanced by your SERVICE/WORTH ETHIC and FRIENDSHIPS & SOCIETY (and vice versa). Your mother taught you how to work hard. Despite negative aspects found elsewhere, you have learned to be self-sufficient and you've applied many difficult lessons you've learned in childhood towards your sense of SERVICE and WORTH ETHIC. In turn, you are driven to use those skills to build a more harmonious and enriched home. You're particularly focused on creating a safe haven for yourself to HEAL within and feel safe. Venus and Neptune create an altruistic and non-violent person; a enrichment between the 6th House by the 11th house manifests into an individual that is sympathetic towards humanitarian issues.

Neptune trine Mars (Ruler of 5th House) : YOUR HOME is enhanced by your need for CREATIVITY. SELF-EXPRESSION enhances your HOME. This one is pretty self-explanatory.

Neptune sextile Pluto (Ruler of 12th House) : HOME/MOTHER is supplemented by your SECRETS, KARMIC DEBTS, ENEMIES. Not really sure what to make of this one... Self-explanatory? Bad karma with Mom?...

5th House (SELF-EXPRESSION/CREATIVITY) : Aries - Mars
Aspects
Mars conjunct Venus
Mars trine Neptune
Mars sextile Pluto

Mars + Venus (Ruler of 6th and 11th House) : Venus + Mars manifests as an individual that combines their need for sensuality and pleasure with passion and raw energy. In short, you are a sexy beast.

Additionally, this aspect is also a merging between your SELF-EXPRESSION/CREATIVITY and your sense of SERVICE/WORTH ETHIC. You believe work is a piece of art, and art may actually be your work.

Mars trine Neptune : See above.

Mars sextile Pluto (ruler of the 12th House) : SELF-EXPRESSION is an accessory to your SECRETS, KARMIC DEBTS, ENEMIES. You die and are reborn again when you release RAW ENERGY (aka ANGER) over your old hurts and dark secrets. Karmic debts and past hurts inspire raw, uninhibited creativity.

6th House (SERVICE/WORK ETHIC) : Taurus - Venus
Aspects
Venus conjunct Mars
Venus trine Neptune
Venus sextile Pluto

Venus conjunct Mars: See above
Venus trine Neptune: See above

Venus sextile Pluto (Ruler of the 12th House) : SERVICE/WORK ETHIC supplemented by SECRETS, KARMIC DEBTS, ENEMIES. In this lifetime, you are paying off a karmic debt through service to others. Perhaps in a past life you were too proud, perhaps even unkind to servants. In this lifetime, you are learning to be humble and to "serve" others. Venus is more than just PLEASURE or ATTRACTION in this aspect. I feel like you are here in this lifetime to understand the true nature of love and relationships through service to others. Just my two cents. I'm super tired right now (it's 3am!) so I'm just saying whatever my intuition tells me at this point, lol.

7th House (RELATIONSHIPS) : Gemini - Mercury
Aspects
Mercury opposite Moon
Mercury square ASC

Mercury opposite Moon (Ruler of the 8th House): Phew. This is a weird one. RELATIONSHIPS opposing your SEXUALITY. Your 7th house is Mercurial - you are attracted to people who are communicative, verbal, and adaptable. However, your 8th house is Lunar (ruled by the Moon), meaning you're receptive but protective and sensitive when it comes to your SEXUALITY. It's difficult to merge those two energies. They need to meet halfway.

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posted December 20, 2011 05:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ElizabethO:
2nd House (ASSETS) : Capricorn - Saturn
Aspects
Saturn conjunct Pluto

Saturn + Pluto (Ruler of 12th House) : Merging of ASSETS and SECRETS, KARMIC DEBTS, ENEMIES.

Saturn and Pluto create a need for structured control and controlled structure. You have a very strong need for control in your life, often bolstering your own defenses. You feel the need to eliminate any extraneous material possessions that may interfere with financial responsibility. You live by the bare bones of life.

Father may have been missing or absent during childhood, which led to premature financial responsibility and harsh lessons as a child - most likely from the motherly figure. Astrology aside, I have a feeling that your mother took the role of "father" and overcompensated. Yes? No? This one is intuition.

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My dad was a good dad but from age 10 to 20 he was traveling back and forth from birth town to Miami bc his business was in home town. The economy got bad so business closed and around 21 years of age he was around on a daily basis but before then it was like half of his time in my birthtown and half of his time in Miami with us. Bc of this my mom I feel felt she had to be extra controlling with me bc she felt scare I suppose. Since we moved my mom did start to make more money than my dad since doctors in USA make a lot more than doctors in the caribbean so she was per say the breadwinner but during the first 10 years of my life my dad made more money. Your intuition is right. He wasn't absent but was absent partially for 10 years and my mom did take on the role of both mother and father while he was gone.

I didn't struggle growing up and always had what I needed but I was far from been spoiled as my parents both been caps are frugal with their money and is why they have good credit and we are not rich.

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posted December 20, 2011 06:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"4th House (HOME, MOTHER) : Pisces - Neptune
Aspects
Neptune square Sun
Neptune square Moon
Neptune trine Venus
Neptune trine Mars
Neptune sextile Pluto

Note : Girrrrrrl, you have a lot of karmic debts in your 4th house, especially with your mother. I can already tell that you two do NOT get along." -ElizabethO

She adores me and I adore her but hell yeah it has been a rocky road with her. I feel there were poor boundaries between us and she wanted to breath for me. She is controlling and a worrier and I am a free thinker, freedom lover who always felt over protected by her so lots of power struggles between us bc I was resisting her attempt to mold me into her. I look up to her but I know who I am and I know who she is. It felt like an enmeshed relationship that I resisted resulting in many fights. Enmeshed=poor boundaries.

Now that I am 28 years old and living in another state far away we are getting along and boundaries are better. It took that much. Now I visit and we enjoy each other and both try to get along and not fight. The separation has also forced her to grow as a person so we are getting along better but imagine sill have work to do .

My sidereal fagan karma is in cancer which also means karma with mother in this life.

“Neptune square Sun (Ruler of 9th House) : YOUR HOME/MOTHER is conflicting with your HIGHER MIND. Either the home you grew up restricted your ability to experience different planes of spirituality, or your mother does not approve of your choice of spirituality. College (HIGHER EDUCATION) was a particularly difficult time for you. Your MOTHER did not support your choice of career or field of study. Mother was over protective of what you were exposed to on all subjects pertaining to the 9th House.” –ElizabethO

^ Example of Mother and I Conflicts:
In my wedding I put Buddha in my gift registry and we had conflict over this for weeks. She tried to get me to delete Buddha decoration from gift registry 3 or 4 times even after I very firmly told her I wouldn't, that is where I drew the line. I was very flexible letting her plan the wedding but that is where I drew the line!!! I was maaaaaad, she can be so close minded and intolerant sometimes. She was extremely supportive of me going to college and I went to the university of Miami which is a very nice private university bc she worked as a doctor for this university and I got to go there for free. She was very supportive of whatever I choose as a career and I choose psychology like my dad. But yeees she is controlling and wanted me to think like her and she HATED that I was into astrology and even put something in the computer in the house so I wouldn't be able to surf the internet for astrology, numerology, and other new age or occult stuff!

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posted December 20, 2011 07:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great thread.

A quick question: which house system should be used? Equal? Or can we still use Placidus?

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posted December 20, 2011 08:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Neptune square Moon (Ruler of 8th House) : YOUR HOME/MOTHER is conflicting with your JOINT FINANCES, DEATH, SEXUALITY. From what I saw in your 2nd house, intuitively I feel as if you have a heavy financial burden to carry... perhaps because of your mother or something that happened over time. If not a financial debt, it may be a debt of self-worth that you've felt over time because of your living situation growing up. I feel like you were deprived of something, but not sure... has to do with personal worth (which can really be defined in many ways...) and your mother."-ElizabethO

I only have student loans which will get paid as my husband and are doing well financially and my mom is a cap and has savings and she is still a doctor and makes money. My parents are actually soon going to open a business were she can treat people medically and my dad psychologically. I suppose with this economy anything can happy but I have always been blessed financially and basically got my bachelor's for free. Student loans will be from getting my masters.

It could be referring to self worth even though I have always had good self worth and loved my self but I suppose bc my mom overprotected me this perhaps affected my self confidence and I have been working on that a lot though and is not really an issue anymore. Flower essences have helped me a lot I feel, studying psychology, self awareness and desiring personal growth.

But I must stress that I have never been homeless or lacked love or food in my life. I have never been deprived thankfully. I am really grateful for this. I even had a maid growing up who is like family and still works in the family but for my uncle. She was like a second mom.


"Neptune trine Venus (Ruler of 6th House/11th House) : YOUR HOME/MOTHER is enhanced by your SERVICE/WORTH ETHIC and FRIENDSHIPS & SOCIETY (and vice versa). Your mother taught you how to work hard. Despite negative aspects found elsewhere, you have learned to be self-sufficient and you've applied many difficult lessons you've learned in childhood towards your sense of SERVICE and WORTH ETHIC. In turn, you are driven to use those skills to build a more harmonious and enriched home. You're particularly focused on creating a safe haven for yourself to HEAL within and feel safe. Venus and Neptune create an altruistic and non-violent person; a enrichment between the 6th House by the 11th house manifests into an individual that is sympathetic towards humanitarian issues." -ElizabethO

Neptune trine venus is supeeeeer acurate. Career wise I do look up to her BIG time bc she deserves it. Super hardworking, creative and quite the initiator. She went through med school and got married while in med school and graduated at 23 from med school holding her first new born in her arms. She then moved to the United States, passed exams she needed to pass and did her residency so she can practice medicine in this country. She has written a book, been on TV, had her own radio talk show with a very popular priest in Miami for a good while. She has organized medical/religious missions funded by University of Miami were she took residents with her as she is doctor but also professor.

"Neptune sextile Pluto (Ruler of 12th House) : HOME/MOTHER is supplemented by your SECRETS, KARMIC DEBTS, ENEMIES. Not really sure what to make of this one... Self-explanatory? Bad karma with Mom?..."-ElizabethO

If there is a person that I keep things from is my mom, even though I am the most open of her kids and tell her a lot!!! but there are things I dont talk to her about bc she is very conservative and there are a number of topics that I would never bring up with her. I do have to hide my plutonic side from her and she is not comfortable with the 8th house at all to put it simply. Like my mom feels uncomfortable watching shows about investigating crimes and would call me and my brother morbid for wanting to watch for example law and order LOL, or movies that are rated R. She only likes watching PG13 or less but she wont have any issues watching the news. Hence why there are lot of things I dont talk to her about bc she is smart but fragile and a little neurotic.

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posted December 20, 2011 08:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Call me slow. Call me unintelligent. I still don't get the logic behind the House rulers. Please speak to me like I'm a two year old.

House 1 - ASC - Pisces - Ruler is ?
House 2 - Jupiter - Aries - Ruler is ?
House 3 - Moon - Gemini - Ruler is ?
House 4 - No Planet - Gemini/Cancer - Ruler is ?
House 5 - No Planet - North Node - Cancer - Ruler is ?
House 6 - No Planet - Leo - Ruler is Sun
House 7 - Pluto and Uranus - Virgo - Ruler is ?
House 8 - Neptune - Scorpio - Ruler is ?
House 9 - No Planet - Scorpio/Sagittarius - Ruler is ?
House 10 - Sun - Capricorn - Ruler is Jupiter
House 11 - Mars and Mercury - Capricorn - Ruler is ?
House 12 - Venus and Saturn - Aquarius - Ruler is ?

Sorry for my impatience

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posted December 20, 2011 08:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Venus sextile Pluto (Ruler of the 12th House) : SERVICE/WORK ETHIC supplemented by SECRETS, KARMIC DEBTS, ENEMIES. In this lifetime, you are paying off a karmic debt through service to others. Perhaps in a past life you were too proud, perhaps even unkind to ser-ants. In this lifetime, you are learning to be humble and to "serve" others. Venus is more than just PLEASURE or ATTRACTION in this aspect. I feel like you are here in this lifetime to understand the true nature of love and relationships through service to others. Just my two cents." -ElizabethO

I have always been humble since I was little. Since I was little I have disliked very much stuck up people and have never thought I was more important than anyone or that others are better than me. I have always been the type to want to defend who is been picked up. I was the type that wanted to be nice to all the kids in school and once the cool kids saw this no longer wanted to be friends with me but I always had a strong enough character be true to what I thought was right.

However I was a case manager for 3 years and helped a lot of people but this is not for me, I want to help others through counseling. This is my real calling I feel. I could definitely see how I can learn unconditional love by been a counselor so I think your instincts are right about this.

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posted December 20, 2011 08:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Mercury opposite Moon (Ruler of the 8th House): Phew. This is a weird one. RELATIONSHIPS opposing your SEXUALITY. Your 7th house is Mercurial - you are attracted to people who are communicative, verbal, and adaptable. However, your 8th house is Lunar (ruled by the Moon), meaning you're receptive but protective and sensitive when it comes to your SEXUALITY. It's difficult to merge those two energies. They need to meet halfway. "--ElizabethO

Well husband is very cerebral and it affects our sex life, perhaps this aspect is symbolic of THIS but this is the first time in my life that I have been incompatible in reference to sex drive with a guy.

I personally don't have sexual hang ups and feel comfortable talking about sex and right at home when I am intimate with someone. I see sex as something beautiful and natural.

This is aspect seems to be more about who I attract for MARRIAGE material than an inherent trait of mine. It definitely describes the issues I have with my husband but any other guy that I have been with other than him this aspect does not apply at all.

This was overall pretty accurate, impressiveness, and insightful and a lot of fun!!! Thanks for using me as guinea pig .

I replied to different parts so you could see what parts were right on and in what ways it was off somehow so that you can continue perfecting this method which is a pretty cool one may I add.

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posted December 20, 2011 10:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ElizabethO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Muchas gracias! Yours is the first chart that I went extensively into and really studied. Other times have been at random on LL.

The ones I got wrong:
Moon Square Neptune 5°13
Saturn Conjunction Pluto 4°25
Sun Square Neptune 1°35


Hmm, methinks I should be applying the houses rulers to the symbolisms of each planet, I wrote them above.

So instead of:

Neptune square Moon (Ruler of 8th House) : YOUR HOME/MOTHER is conflicting with your JOINT FINANCES, DEATH, SEXUALITY.

It would be:

Neptune square Moon (Ruler of 8th House) : YOUR HOME/MOTHER is conflicting with your PSYCHE when it comes to JOINT FINANCES, DEATH, SEXUALITY.

Does this make more sense? I was really surprised that you didn't have some sort of "debt" or loss because of your mother... There were signs here and there of affliction with the energy coming from your 4th house (Saturn). Makes me wonder if I should reinvestigate the 2nd House a little more. We always attach material possessions and assets with the 2nd House. The 2nd House is also about HOW we acquire these things, so perhaps I should focus more on that.

How I initially interpreted this was that you were disillusioned (Neptune) when it comes to your emotional security/psyche (Moon) in regards to 8th House issues. The 8th House rules death, sexuality, secrets, other people’s resources that you benefit from, and inheritance. I've always wondered if the 8th House or the 12th House is the house of Sacrifice. From what I've read, it's the 8th House... which makes sense because its opposite, the 2nd house, is about acquirement. So perhaps it's:

Neptune square Moon (Ruler of 8th House) : YOUR HOME/MOTHER is conflicting with your PSYCHE when it comes to your views on SACRIFICE, JOINT FINANCES & SEXUALITY.

HMMM, now that I'm awake and it's not 3am I have to re-analyze everything with fresh(er) eyes.

I need to finish the rest later. It takes so long... It took me like 2.5 hours last night to get through the first half.

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posted December 20, 2011 10:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now I Know why my mom avoids pluto energy, her pluto opposes her venus and mars and our relationship is so plutonic (love/hate, intense) bc her pluto conjuncts my venus and mars. Further her mars opposes my venus and mars.

Venus square or opposition Pluto:
In an attempt to control the outcome of a love relationship, or the loved one's feelings, you can turn to manipulative games. Even if you do "succeed" at it, there is never a feeling that you've won someone over for who you are, and this feeds a vicious cycle that you should try to avoid getting yourself into. Your feelings are intense, and even extreme, when it comes to love. You might attract intense relationships that have love-hate themes as a result. You are passionate when you love, definitely, but also passionate when you hate. You easily put pressure on your partner, as you expect much loyalty and honesty in your intimate relationships. Be careful not to let your relationships get to a point where your partner is superfluous and you are working through your own inner demons through him or her. Certainly, you will learn much about yourself through your relationships, and you may not always like what you see. You will meet yourself (the "darker" side or inner demons) through your relationships, and it will be critical that you recognize it as your own "material" and not project it onto your partner. Letting go of a relationship can be hard for you to do, especially if Venus is in a fixed sign (Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, or Aquarius). http://cafeastrology.com/natal/venusplutoaspects.html.

You have helped me realize that my conflict with her stems from her denying to herself her plutonic side and as a result her plutonic energy is coming off as controlling and manipulative for the purpose of getting her loved ones to think like her and do what she wants. What you are not aware off you are not in control of as Anthony De Mello points out.

I have been telling her since I was little that she is manipulative and she denies it and say she is not. She genuinely doesn't realize that she is this way and is in denial bc she couldn't handle that been true it seems.

She is very uncomfortable around plutonic subjects. I on the other hand am comfortable with my plutonic side, embrace it and use it for good and growth. She fears it and projects it unto others. Its a shame that she didn't try to reconcile the energy between venus/mars opposite pluto and instead repressed it. Her sun in cap which represents her dad I am sure doesn't like Pluto for her daughter and mom been the only child decided to repress pluto is my guess to please dad. Instead she become a doctor like her dad wanted her when deep down she was attracted to psychology and so she married a psychologist instead and lately has been learning about psychology with my dad.

I adore her as she has a huge sweet heart and lately it is becoming increasingly more clear to me how she is a product of both her mother and dad 50/50 which makes me understand why she is the way she is....

My dad on the other hand has pluto opposition venus but not mars. He is not controlling but he embraced his pluto and uses it for transformation. He is a real good psychologist.

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posted December 20, 2011 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I dont think you got any of them completely wrong, just a few of them were partially wrong and partially right is my sense as you will see when you read through my comments.

EDIT:
This was extremely helpful!

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posted December 20, 2011 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ElizabethO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
YTA, here you go :

Every planet represents the "will" and influence of each sign of the Zodiac. How each planet was assigned to each sign on the Zodiac is primarily based off of mythology then years upon years of research and observation. Each planet serves as the different basic forms of human nature, and Astrology is the study of how those energies manifest in your life. Etc, etc.

House Ruler: You look at the sign that is at the CUSP of your house - what sign that house begins in. The "natural ruler" - or assigned planet - to that sign is the House Ruler.

So this is how you would look at your chart (I use Placidus):

House 1 - Pisces - Ruler is NEPTUNE
House 2 - Aries - Ruler is MARS
House 3 - Taurus - Ruler is VENUS
House 4 - Gemini - Ruler is MERCURY
House 5 - Cancer - Ruler is MOON
House 6 - Leo - Ruler is SUN
House 7 - Virgo - Ruler is MERCURY
House 8 - Libra - Ruler is VENUS
House 9 - Scorpio - Ruler is PLUTO
House 10 - Sagittarius - Ruler is JUPITER
House 11 - Capricorn - Ruler is SATURN
House 12 - Aquarius - Ruler is URANUS

If Neptune is your Chart Ruler (represents PERSONA), then your PERSONA is Neptunian. Neptune is characteristically ethereal, otherworldly, intuitive, inspiration, naive, dreamy, psychic, spiritual, receptive. Neptune represents divine love (higher vibration of love).

Your Chart Ruler Neptune (PERSONA) is aspected by quite a few other rulers in your chart. For example, Neptune is square (afflicted) by Saturn. Saturn is the ruler of your 11th House, the house of FRIENDSHIPS & SOCIETY

Neptune (PERSONA) is square (AFFLICTED) by Saturn (FRIENDSHIPS & SOCIETY). Basically, how you try to come across to others is different than how you treat your friendships and dealings with society.

I know you think you might be an Aries Rising, so I'll do a quite interp. for your Chart Ruler using that:

House 1 - Aries - Mars

PERSONA is Marsian - Raw Energy, Passion, Sexuality. Mars is brave, bold, and abrasive.

Mars is conjunct Mercury. Mercury is the ruler of your 4th House and 7th House. This means your PERSONA is merged with a "Mercurian" flare when it comes to your HOME/MOTHER and RELATIONSHIPS. Mercury is communicative, verbal, and cerebral.

So MARS (RAW ENERGY) + MERCURY (COMMUNICATION).

I hope this all makes sense. :\

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posted December 20, 2011 10:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ElizabethO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Great thread.

A quick question: which house system should be used? Equal? Or can we still use Placidus?


I've dabbled with both. I use Placidus unless I come across a chart from someone born very far North. In that situation, look at both Equal and Placidus, then compare. I usually side with Placidus.

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posted December 20, 2011 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay I see, thank you.

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posted December 20, 2011 11:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ElizabethO,

Thank you so much!!

Neptune (PERSONA) is square (AFFLICTED) by Saturn (FRIENDSHIPS & SOCIETY). Basically, how you try to come across to others is different than how you treat your friendships and dealings with society.

This makes perfect sense. I'm warm and gentle with my family and my friends. I am cold and hard with others, especially at work.

Mars is conjunct Mercury. Mercury is the ruler of your 4th House and 7th House. This means your PERSONA is merged with a "Mercurian" flare when it comes to your HOME/MOTHER and RELATIONSHIPS. Mercury is communicative, verbal, and cerebral.

This makes perfect sense as well. I am communicative, verbal and cerebral everywhere, both at work and at home, just that I'm a whole lot more harsh and abrasive at work.

I pride my relationships based on open and honest communication. My largest pet peeve in all human relationships is less than truthful or less than complete/manipulative communication.

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posted December 20, 2011 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cecile     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear ElizabethO, if your still looking at charts, would you mind looking at mine? Let me know if you'd prefer the chart itself or aspects.

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posted December 20, 2011 12:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ElizabethO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Definitely feel free to post your chart up! Just the actual chart is good.

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posted December 20, 2011 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cecile     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you so much!

Here we go

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posted December 20, 2011 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since coffee brought this thread in the past, i have been using it with my own chart and it makes lot of sense. actually, i like it more than planetary aspects in isolation without reference to the ruler.

the only issue i have faced is with the ruler of 7th. my 7th is in scorpio and it makes more sense when i take mars as the ruler, not pluto. but sometimes when think twice, both makes sense and that confuses me a little.

Coffee, not sure if i have asked you before, but which ruler would you use for scorpio?

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