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posted December 20, 2011 11:18 PM            

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posted December 20, 2011 11:28 PM            

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I have Pluto in Libra H11 and yeah that was pretty bad time for my friendships...Saturn just crossed over into my 12th house and that hasnt been so lovely either but to have to do it all again? Do you know what degree of virgo saturn's going because I have planets there--saturn being one of them and I do not want to do a repeat saturn return is that even possible?

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posted December 20, 2011 11:32 PM            

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Already had Saturn over Asc ( I find that is essential to look up your solar return chart if having Saturn over Asc,Saturn return) and I enjoyed it,looking back at that time. Still processing it,though.
Saturn through H12,well,that's another story,so as Saturn sq Venus.

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posted December 20, 2011 11:36 PM            

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Oh god I didnt even know this! Saturn is transiting my sun in the 6th right now and my life is hell. All I need is more sh*t.

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posted December 20, 2011 11:38 PM            

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hmmm If you check transits for 17th of may 2011 saturn isnt in Virgo its still in Libra.
http://planetwatcher.com/

I got this off some random blog i was reading and it seems to be incorrect about the Virgo bit. But from what i can see it goes retro in feb and the direct again in July. So im guessing you dont have to worry about the Virgoo bit. I should just take that out.

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posted December 20, 2011 11:43 PM            

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holy sh you serious???!

I have my moon, venus and mercury in libra, and saturn is conjuncting all of it right now) I just want it out of my friggen 7th house.
I think going through friggen 5 years of crap is enough =( (I'm a virgo sun and mars)

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posted December 20, 2011 11:45 PM            

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I have an exact square of Pluto and Saturn in my natal and those are two of the most terrible energies to get a square (don't get me wrong , it gives tremendous strength but gives it by tearing you down)...when Saturn Libra was in earlier degrees and conj my Pluto by transit, it accentuated this energy and made me feel like I was being squashed like a bug by a huge boot lol

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posted December 20, 2011 11:45 PM              

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I'm a Libra Sun and Mercury in the 8th and Saturn has been transiting over my Sun and Mercury since 2009. Through my 8th house reeking all kinds of unfortunately necessary havoc.

Yeah that info about Virgo is suspect. Saturn will not be in Libra until 2014. Saturn will be moving into Scorpio in the fall of 2012, it will stay there until 2015 in western astrology. Saturn will not be retrograding back into Virgo. Saturn spends about 2 - 3 years in a sign and 28 - 29 years to go through the entire zodiac. It's why we have our Saturn return's in our late 20s.

All us Libra's just have to brace ourselves until October 2012, then watch out Scorpios.

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posted December 20, 2011 11:46 PM            

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Okay, scratch that everybody, some good news. That seems to be incorrect about time span. So

Saturn will go Retro in Libra in Feb 2012 and then go direct again in July from what I can see. It will stay in Libra untill the 10th of October 2012. So yeah not as bad. cheer up just a little

I cannot wait till the 10th of October '12. Heads up Scorpio Risers, try and keep it sane.

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posted December 20, 2011 11:53 PM            

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Saturn's been tearing up my 10th house forever now. Next it'll hit my nPluto, then eventually oppose my nVenus and then I'll have my Saturn return. After that it goes through my 12th! These next few years are gonna be something else.

I'm actually looking forward to my Saturn return though.

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posted December 21, 2011 12:00 AM            

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You can always check the ephemeris to find out what the placements will be if you're uncertain. Saturn goes Rx in Feb 2012 in Libra (it totally sucks - it's in my 7th house and the past year+ has done a number on me - I bemoan that wretched karmic planet often these days)...fortunately, I have it's Direct motion into Scorpio, my 8th house of partnerships, joint finances and sexuality on Oct. 8/9 2012.

Whoot. I don't think Saturn's energy actually helps anything...life has its phases that are easier than others - but it's always got its challenges.

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posted December 21, 2011 12:01 AM            

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Everybody I feel your pain. Hopefully if not all we will have some strain off by next year. So hang in there guys. I am sure i dont even have to ask this but you have all deff went though some fated kind of learning recently. You searched a lot too and hopefully will be able to conclude the searching and come out better.

Mintgirl, my gosh, I/ve only had saturn over my Asc and the only thing it will be hitting next is pluto for a whileee. Dont worry there is always a rainbow after the rain

Wild Places, rightly said, life is a balance of all energies. And thanks for the info

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posted December 21, 2011 12:21 AM            

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o YA you didn't KNOW There's a big Saturn in Libra partay goin on (!) lmao
I'm invited with the rest of you (!)
Mars 19/Saturn 21/NN 21/MC 25/Venus 25/Pluto 26/Moon 27 <-- my Cardinals. Do you hear the soundtrack? It involves wine and a few tissues (maybe 10,000) for good measure

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posted December 21, 2011 12:21 AM            

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Yes it does suck for us, and though i am giving a heads up to the scorps i should braace myself a bit too cause i'm pluto dominant.

Fondue- yes i cant even emagine what the pluto saturn energy will bring next. After that though sat is off my case or just a little bit.

Wild Places- Do you have anything in your 8th?

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posted December 21, 2011 12:27 AM            

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My ascendent is at 17-libra so I had the pleasure of having saturn tantalizingly cross it, then turn right around during retrograde then go over it again. That was a nasty time but I "passed" my tests and came out better from it in the end which I am thankful for. Good riddance! Now I have my pluto and moon up next in another few years. That will be some fun stuff.

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posted December 21, 2011 12:40 AM            

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Fondue- yes i cant even emagine what the pluto saturn energy will bring next. After that though sat is off my case or just a little bit.

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I was just reading an article somewhere on the interwebs and it was talking about how once Saturn enters Scorpio, it'll be in mutual reception with Pluto, which will strengthen both of them. I think we're all in for a bit of a ride...

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scrappydog- yeah i KNOW! well incase you havnt checked its not AS bad as it seemed as i corrected the dates. My sister and her husband are both Libra Suns and they've both been very strained as well. He missed one of his flights once and then nearly missed the other the second time as well! Stuff is just gettiing in the way!

MyVirgoMask - sheesh i have those two energies coming up as saturn will hit my pluto!

Lonake--aww i wish a real party could actually be arranged, we have two seperate sides. One with tons of alcohol and the other with tons of energy boosting drinks. Each side for what ever crazy mood you were in and maybe both for the seriosuly confused.lol There would be tissues everywhere regardless. Hang in there

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posted December 21, 2011 12:49 AM            

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Oooh! Do you mean, Pluto in Cap, and Saturn in Scorpio? Sorry, newbie here... Not sure what "mutual reception" is.

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Yep! Each planet is in the other's "home."

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posted December 21, 2011 12:55 AM            

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Just take a deeeeeeeeeep breath, Violet It'll definitely give your life a set of really cut, defined 6-pack abs and superhero powers lol. I think some people handle the transit better than others, definitely. I want to say having it in my natal to begin with should've made it easier but it made it worse. Maybe if you're already expecting the worse, it's not so bad. That's how it was for me in my Saturn return, I kept waiting for the floor to fall out from under me but it was one of the best, meaningful times of my life (and I'm not just 'being positive' either, it was really amazing)! Funny how that works.

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posted December 21, 2011 01:04 AM            

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Fondueeee- your scaring me. Pluto is my dominant and also trines my moon, mercc, mars plus I'm sun in 8th and Pluto in 1st! aha hoefully we will be discussing what ever kinda @#$# is going on together. Pluto is exaclty opposite my Venus.

CosmicKarma- I;ve pretty much had it bad all the ways possible but particularly, romantically. Did you get anything good out of it romantically the last time? if you do not mind of coarse. And even if not what was the good that came out of it? was it just you in general. As in you came out stronger?

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posted December 21, 2011 01:11 AM            

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aha I know You had it rough cuase your placement is Libra rising like me.My Asc is 25 Libra and it will be going right over it once again. I read somehwere when saturn is over your Asc you go through the most tranforming time of your life. You go into deep deep searching within yourself to find all that is true to you and all that you need to relate to with what you find true in the world around you. A lot of fated kind of events have happened to me. Curious to know since it has already passed over yours what have your experiences been like, anything out of the ordinary? Only if you wish to share of course

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