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Geminisquared
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posted December 21, 2011 04:29 AM
  
I'm wondering what aspects in astrology would make someone popular and unpopular. I do not mean high school popular. Some people just have crazy social lives. (I guess it is the same thing bahaha) I'm not a creepy heavy breathing stalker. Lol I' I have good hygene. A good sense of style which is apparent because I spend most of my own money on clothes.There is not physically wrong with me at all, or mental (for the most part) I would like to think I'm fun, with the friends I do have... we have a good time. I would like to think I'm confident and approchable. People who do talk to me seem to like me. Interesting enough I end up having quite a few haters. I see these really popular kids and just wonder, what do they have that I don't? for those who wanted to see my chart http://i.imgur.com/VU7yF.gif
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ElizabethO
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posted December 21, 2011 04:35 AM
I had Saturn transiting through my 11th house while I was in high school... Let me tell you, I made many, many enemies back then. I completely restructured my social life which ended up leaving me with three or four people I truly trusted and cared about. Everyone else was nonsense. I suppose this made me seem cold and snooty (several people said this about me... to my face) in high school.IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted December 21, 2011 04:41 AM
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Originally posted by Geminisquared:
I see these really popular kids and just wonder, what do they have that I don't?
There could be a lot of factors, easier to just post your chart. Otherwise it's just shots in the dark with people coming in and protesting over what fits them and what doesn't.IP: Logged |
MertSerimer
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posted December 21, 2011 04:42 AM
Saturn 11th house natal = Unpopularity in early stages of life, very popularity and sometimes famous when close to death.IP: Logged |
RegardesPlatero
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posted December 21, 2011 04:43 AM
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Geminisquared
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posted December 21, 2011 04:44 AM
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Originally posted by ElizabethO:
I had Saturn transiting through my 11th house while I was in high school... Let me tell you, I made many, many enemies back then. I completely restructured my social life which ended up leaving me with three or four people I truly trusted and cared about. Everyone else was nonsense. I suppose this made me seem cold and snooty (several people said this about me... to my face) in high school.
I wish I knew about astrology in high school. High school was terrible for me. So was middle school bahaha. I'm in college now. Its helped me so much improve myself and work on my strengths. IP: Logged |
Geminisquared
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posted December 21, 2011 04:46 AM
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Originally posted by MertSerimer:
Saturn 11th house natal = Unpopularity in early stages of life, very popularity and sometimes famous when close to death.
I have my sun mercury and venus in the 11th house in gemini plus they all conjunct each other lol IP: Logged |
RegardesPlatero
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posted December 21, 2011 04:46 AM
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Geminisquared
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posted December 21, 2011 04:49 AM
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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
Since you mention being in college: are there any clubs that you could join, or any people who have similar interests/people in your major that you could get to know a little better?
I'm in really awkward time in my life. I'm in community which = no life. I try to be especially social, and fun in my classes, everyone is doing there own thing. I'm waiting a year to transfer to an art school. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted December 21, 2011 04:51 AM
You have your ASC ruler sq to Saturn in the 7th. That's one factor.
Also your Moon/Saturn/Pluto t-square.
And maybe the Mars sq Uranus/Neptune points to something unpredictable about you that throws others off balance. Otoh, Mars/Neptune pts to charisma, so it's an energy you have to wield carefully.IP: Logged |
Geminisquared
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posted December 21, 2011 04:55 AM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
You have your ASC ruler sq to Saturn in the 7th. That's one factor.
Also your Moon/Saturn/Pluto t-square.
And maybe the Mars sq Uranus/Neptune points to something unpredictable about you that throws others off balance. Otoh, Mars/Neptune pts to charisma, so it's an energy you have to wield carefully.
Interesting, because I naturally charm people if I need to get my way, Especially my teachers. It usually works. Yeah also I'm sure I do throw people off, I can be really weird at times. I usually think people will assume I'm just being silly. maybe they don't!
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Lonake
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posted December 21, 2011 04:58 AM
^ You were asking about haters. The Moon t sq esp is really awkward, you prob use your Gemini as a cover for that.IP: Logged |
RegardesPlatero
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posted December 21, 2011 05:01 AM
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Geminisquared
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posted December 21, 2011 05:01 AM
That is true about me. I can be really awkward if I'm put on the spot, or something unexpected comes my way. I use to be painfully awkward when I was younger. IP: Logged |
Geminisquared
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posted December 21, 2011 05:16 AM
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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
I can relate to that. That's how my college was. I went to a school that had good academics, but very hard to meet people. They tended to go one of two ways: either super-crazy and always partying/drinking/drugs/other stuff like that or else they were already engaged, planning their weddings and families, were homesick, or else just never wanted to go out. Frustrating for me; I'm in the middle: I love to just hang out with people without doing anything too crazy. I ended up transferring, though in my case it didn't really help me meet people (though I was MUCH happier at the second place).I really hope that transferring works out well for you and that you'll get to meet people who you really click with and who are up for socializing! And just keep your head held high; I think that a lot of people are struggling with this right now and so there's nothing 'wrong' with you or anything. I really hope that things will work out for the best!
Awww thanks  I just like to have adventures, Be it crazy parties or going on road trips. I also hate being by myself so living in dorms in the city should be much better Oh yeah. I'm sure living in a larger city would make life a lot more interesting too. IP: Logged |
Coffee
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posted December 21, 2011 06:15 AM
You have 1st ruler, Moon, opposite to Pluto - which can say that jealousy surrounds your personality. I guess that's the way to look at popularity as it seems to be a personality trait.I think those people you mention have money, but more importantly TIME on their hands to work the social scene, meeting people  IP: Logged |
BelligerentPygmy
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posted December 21, 2011 06:18 AM
I didn't look at the chart but if you have Aquarius anything or Uranus prominent, or even strong Pluto, that'll do it. All of those make people either fear you, assume the worst of you, think you're weird or all three. All of which won't make you the first person people call up and wanna hang around with. Editing to add that I just checked out the chart and your venus is pretty badly afflicted, basically all negative aspects and it rules your 11th house. Checking the Astrologer's Handbook, now... "They can be indiscreet, divulging confidential information at the wrong time or to the wrong people." "In many cases there is a tendency toward excessive talking designed to impress others. Unwarranted egotism and mental pride are characteristic." (page 362) Venus square Jupiter "Women with this aspect may be conceited about their beauty or social status, and they will seek to be the center of the stage." (page 366) "Their self-image can be unrealistic and exaggerated and can therefore frustrate them when they attempt to broaden their self-expressin. This often leads in tern to egotism as a defense mechanism." "They are likely to be indiscrimately generous but frequently with ulterior motives." (page 353) Another thing the book doesn't mention but is a personal observation of mine, is that the shadow side of Jupiter is self-righteousness and being kinda judgmental and preachy and dogmatic. If you spend a lot of time telling other people what you think they should do or how you think they should be...not saying you definitely do that but it's another potential way that an afflicted Jupiter can manifest. If you always think you are right and do everything right and spend a lot of time lecturing and criticizing people because you think you are a 'teacher' figure that needs to guide them to doing things your way - and you see your way as "The RIGHT way", then that's not gonna win you any friends either. And if you're a braggart or toot your own horn alot, people don't always dig that either. Saturn in the 7th (which is another relating/relationship) house probably doesn't help. You might seem cold and harsh to people, especially since it squares your moon. Your Mars is afflicted to both Uranus and Pluto so I'm wondering how your temper is too - do you unpredictably fly off the handle at people. Plus your Mars is in Aries and right at your midheaven - so yeah, you probably do have a temper and are sometimes (needlessly) combative. And it's very apparent to the people around you which may make them keep their distance from you as well. I'm not trying to attack you here - I know full well that sometimes people are just targeted by or excluded by others for no reason, but that's rare and usually due to the astrological factors I named off in my first paragraph. Those aside, usually nine times out of ten, if people avoid you or dislike you in droves, there might be things going on there with you that you need to acknowledge and address. I say this because of actual real-life examples I've encountered over the years. I (unfortunately) know a woman who is very verbally aggressive, critical of others and abusive, that kind of thing, but somehow she hasn't put two and two together and thinks the problem is that she isn't a size zero and has unconventional interests - despite the fact that millions of kids and adults who aren't thin and have unusual interests, manage to make friends and not be routinely ignored, excluded or targeted. For the most part, if you're a decent person you'll always find others who will accept you and welcome you in. IP: Logged |
Geminisquared
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posted December 21, 2011 06:51 AM
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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
I didn't look at the chart but if you have Aquarius anything or Uranus prominent, or even strong Pluto, that'll do it. All of those make people either fear you, assume the worst of you, think you're weird or all three. All of which won't make you the first person people call up and wanna hang around with. Editing to add that I just checked out the chart and your venus is pretty badly afflicted, basically all negative aspects and it rules your 11th house. Checking the Astrologer's Handbook, now... "They can be indiscreet, divulging confidential information at the wrong time or to the wrong people." "In many cases there is a tendency toward excessive talking designed to impress others. Unwarranted egotism and mental pride are characteristic." (page 362) Venus square Jupiter "Women with this aspect may be conceited about their beauty or social status, and they will seek to be the center of the stage." (page 366) "Their self-image can be unrealistic and exaggerated and can therefore frustrate them when they attempt to broaden their self-expressin. This often leads in tern to egotism as a defense mechanism." "They are likely to be indiscrimately generous but frequently with ulterior motives." (page 353) Another thing the book doesn't mention but is a personal observation of mine, is that the shadow side of Jupiter is self-righteousness and being kinda judgmental and preachy and dogmatic. If you spend a lot of time telling other people what you think they should do or how you think they should be...not saying you definitely do that but it's another potential way that an afflicted Jupiter can manifest. If you always think you are right and do everything right and spend a lot of time lecturing and criticizing people because you think you are a 'teacher' figure that needs to guide them to doing things your way - and you see your way as "The RIGHT way", then that's not gonna win you any friends either. And if you're a braggart or toot your own horn alot, people don't always dig that either. Saturn in the 7th (which is another relating/relationship) house probably doesn't help. You might seem cold and harsh to people, especially since it squares your moon. Your Mars is afflicted to both Uranus and Pluto so I'm wondering how your temper is too - do you unpredictably fly off the handle at people. Plus your Mars is in Aries and right at your midheaven - so yeah, you probably do have a temper and are sometimes (needlessly) combative. And people it's very apparent to the people around you which may make them keep their distance from you as well.
Wow thats a lot of information thanks. Um most of these points seems like myself in a pretty bad mood. I can be pretty moody. I can be critical, mostly to myself. I usually do not criticize other people, unless there looking for constructive criticism. I think I'm clever enough to understand how to behave around people socially. I do have a temper. my moon in taurus helps control that, I can be very patient with people. BELIEVE ME! I also think my moon trine jupiter helps ease down the square with my venus. I'm usually laughing or giggling about everything. I rarely brag about myself. actually I criticize myself way to much. My jupiter is in virgo. Virgo over analyzes everything.
I can be obsessed with my looks, at the point of over analyzing ever flaw or detail I am quick to defend myself with my mars in aries. If people challenge me or try to mess with me, I will strike back. lololololol. I'm not good criticism since I criticize myself so much. Especially if I if its true. Ego If its not an authority figure I will always give a rebuttal. I can be pretty aloof around strangers :P Basically much of this does not apply to me :3 IP: Logged |
Geminisquared
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posted December 21, 2011 07:07 AM
opps.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted December 21, 2011 08:57 AM
Low water would be my guess  ------------------
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MertSerimer
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posted December 21, 2011 09:00 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Low water would be my guess
I think it is the opposite. Fire and air is popularity. Low of any of them can be. IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted December 21, 2011 09:19 AM
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Originally posted by MertSerimer:
I think it is the opposite. Fire and air is popularity. Low of any of them can be.
I agree with this. I have no fire and Saturn in the 11th and let me tell you, there's no one as unpopular as me!  IP: Logged |
Fondue Knight
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posted December 21, 2011 10:06 AM
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
I have no fire and Saturn in the 11th and let me tell you, there's no one as unpopular as me!
I've got Saturn in the 11th as well. I do have one fire placement: Uranus conj ASC in Sag. I feel like people don't know exactly how to handle me so they keep their distance or misunderstand me. I am honestly at a loss when it comes to social skills and keeping in touch with people. I've been told before, "We love you, you're so much fun! We were talking the other day saying how we should invite Fondue Knight over but we thought you wouldn't want to hang out with us." And I'm like, "What on God's green Earth gave you that impression?" o_O I think it's a combo with Neptune in the first making it hard for me to realize when I'm being aloof or weird (Uranus) and not knowing how to effectively navigate groups/friendships (Sat 11th?). I'm in my own world most of the time.  IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted December 21, 2011 10:14 AM
Oh interesting, Fondue!Do you find that Saturn in the 11th makes you a loner? Usually people don't invite me to parties or stuff like that because I have a reputation of being a hermit. Only lately have I been improving a bit in that area, going out a bit more, trying to keep in touch with friends, etc, but it's still very difficult for me! Funny thing is that sometimes I do get lonely, even though I usually like being on my own. Kind of paradoxical. IP: Logged |
Fondue Knight
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posted December 21, 2011 10:45 AM
I don't know if it's solely the work of Saturn in the 11th, but I do cherish my alone time. That said, I do get lonely too.I have a group of friends that I was roommates with in college. One of them got married recently and I wasn't invited to the wedding, while everyone else we lived with was a bridesmaid. I kinda lost touch with them after graduating because we all moved back home, wherever that was for each of us. I guess they stayed in touch more often than I did, but at the same time I feel like they didn't make much of an effort with me. I hate the phone and small talk, so I'm not gonna call someone out of the blue to chat, but whenever I was in the area of one of them I'd let them know I was gonna be around and they'd never get back to me. The friends that I do have are more proactive about reaching out to me, and since I know they'll reach out to me I'm more apt to reach out to them to hang out and do stuff. I think that's the Cancer in me afraid that I'd be inconveniencing someone if I asked them to hang out, but if they convince me by being proactive about hanging out that it's safe for me to reach out to them, I will. And then there's Uranus on my ASC and square Moon making me convulse at the thought of making solid plans more than a day or two in advance... Lord am I rambling or what? IP: Logged |
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