posted December 30, 2011 07:21 AM              

Edit: I prefer Saturn, personally. We have DW Sun-Saturn and it never fully ends. Some parts of the relationship may die out but the other levels hold it together. And there's also RESPECT - something Pluto doesn't understand.

Edit B: I was saying in another thread that Pluto "love" is not the real thing. Love takes time to develop, and that's Saturn's specialty. Hanging tough through thick and thin. I could go on and on about it.

posted December 30, 2011 03:05 PM            

That's rly interesting about the detriment and exaltation thing. I never realized that before. i understand that there is a lot of respect that comes with saturn, but how come saturn depresses me so much and how come and makes me so critical of the other person and vice versa?

posted December 30, 2011 05:51 PM              

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Oh and also...then again Venus is exalted in Pisces, yet I wouldnt say that neptune is the healthiest kind of love at all though

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posted December 30, 2011 06:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
Thanks for a great post, Delilah. That actually describes quite accurately the underlying dynamic I had with both guys whose Plutos squared my Sun, although by 10-degree orb. The one with rx Pluto however was more encouraging of me being more of myself. The one with Pluto in direct motion wanted to transform me into what he thought I should be.

Anyone else have a similar experience in synastry with rx Pluto wanting to intensify who you are, against your will?

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posted December 30, 2011 06:13 PM              

Edit: And ya, would probably have even worse power struggles with older guys whose Plutos would be in tighter orb to my Sun.

posted December 30, 2011 08:44 PM            

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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
With such a large orb, wouldn't you essentially be having that dynamic with everyone born in the near 7-8 years? Like what i mean is, shouldn't the orb only apply if it were tighter? If you could feel it with such a large orb, wouldn't you be having power struggles with everyone around that age? I had no idea that applied?

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posted December 31, 2011 05:28 AM            

I have the trine in synastry with someone close and it is very empowering and in the composite we have sun square pluto which is actually a good thing (read the celeb report for Garner and Ben Affleck and they have it too) so not all squares are that bad.

I also have the opposition in synastry with a lot of people my age. The guys get obsessed with me (not loads just the ones I get on with) and to me obsession is not good, passion is good. However pluto can play both ways and one rejected me after a long relationship together and then I became the obsessed one and it took a couple of years to get over the relationship/him. Although the composite had sun trine pluto it also had pluto squares to merc and venus and the relationship became torture on a daily basis and nobody wants to live like that. So oppositions are awful.

I am concerned at the moment cause my composite with my manager has a tight sun opp pluto and a tight sun saturn hard aspect plus pluto sat square, very difficult situation but have to manage it for now.

With my sister we have pluto opp sun (she is pluto) and we are not obessesed with each other, we just don't get on.

posted December 31, 2011 06:37 AM            

Um, as far as to ur questions of WHY. I am very interested in pluto and have done research on it so this is what I know: Pluto tries to force any planet it touches to surrender itself fully to it. Pluto brings depth to all it touches by making it relinquish all superficiality and forcing them to give u their ALL. Pluto is all or nothing...either u surrender and bond with me completely, or not at all, and it's over. So when someone's pluto makes an aspect to the sun, that person wants the sun person to relinquish all superficiality and bond with pluto intensely and completely. However, the power struggles and games start when pluto sees getting the other person to surrender is more difficult than he/she thought and so they become insecure as to if this could mean they are not loved enough and they try to play games to get the other person to surrender. Usually both people will have power over the other bc both of their charms affect the other so easily and they both care so much. But fear of losing one another leads to games on both sides. Once the sun person sees pluto is demanding a lot and playing games to get what they want, they will feel manipulated and play games right back. The growth happens when each person decides to stop playing games and communicate to each other in a strighforward manner, instead of using the fear each has of losing the other to manipulate the other person. And then after the games stop, the relationship can survive. Sometimes the relationship will end if it's too late an too many games have been played .

More specifically, pluto is the area we feel weakest about in our chart. So when someone's planet makes a bad aspect to our pluto, their behavior triggers in us our deepest insecurities, and wounds from our childhood. So the way in which the sun person acts with EVERYONE equally....will trigger in u ur worst fears.

Yes, note the equally part. If u search in yahoo answers you'll find there's people who leave their significant other or best friend hanging in texts and they say it is just a bad habit they have and they do it to everyone it is nothing personal.