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Topic: Most common Aspects in Longest-Marriages
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Moonfish
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From: Tropical Ocean
Registered: Jul 2011
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posted December 31, 2011 01:36 PM
  
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The funny thing is that with the rarity of the decades upon decades long marriage, the research is all but worthless. Majority simply don't form partnerships that last any great length of time. Your sample supposes that they wed possibly right out of high school, if not younger, of course Uranus is going to show up with impetuous young people. You can see with this small size, the flaws already.
You assume that, yet are you actually looking at the dates to see how old they were when they got married? The birthdates & wedding dates are all posted. So I'm not supposing anything except what is there :/
From what I see there were about 3 marriages that happened at a very early age from India. However if your scroll down the list (even though your not interested in looking at the site) You'll see that most couples got married in the U.S. around the age of 20 & up. - Researched the "longest-lasting marriages"
- Posted there D.O.B. for Synastry
- Saw all the aspects that are listed in 1st post. don't know why that's so difficult to understand XD IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted December 31, 2011 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by Moonfish:
I admit that moon-saturn appearing in these charts may still be inaccurate
Not may. It is."For all means I would like to be proven wrong but that's just it, there needs to be Proof."
---And with 30 charts you have no proof. IP: Logged |
Moonfish
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From: Tropical Ocean
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posted December 31, 2011 01:50 PM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
Not may. It is."For all means I would like to be proven wrong but that's just it, there needs to be Proof."
---And with 30 charts you have no proof.[/B]
Lol how do you know other than just stating it? IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted December 31, 2011 01:53 PM
^ The number of charts you've studied, 30. A mere raindrop in the ocean.
And to put this across as anything definitive as in some sort of 'proof' is misleading and gives a bad name to research. That's it.Edit,
Well let me correct myself, you actually stated 'more than 30' so the number apparently is more than, I don't know, maybe it's 42. The point is it is too small to warrant any kind of proof. IP: Logged |
Moonfish
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From: Tropical Ocean
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posted December 31, 2011 01:54 PM
Because like I mentioned earlier I'ts rare for marriages to last that long. It is a "mere drop in the ocean" for relationships to last +80 years.
I simply listed the aspects that all these marriages have in common. Am I saying "Hey if you have these aspects with someone it can happen to you!" No, just a show & tell theory :/ IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted December 31, 2011 01:56 PM
^ Then why study it at all, and put forth findings as proof, or as something to be discredited as you say, when your sample size is so miniscule?Especially on a board like this which deals with synastry so heavily.
Then we have people saying, Venus/Uranus, Venus/Saturn, she studied it so that means we're going to be together forever. Or whatever they may think. There are marriages that last 30 yrs, or however long, they can be added to the list, etc. IP: Logged |
Moonfish
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posted December 31, 2011 02:00 PM
Well why not? To me it's an interesting topic :/If anything, i see a lot people have doubts about relationships lasting with Venus-Uranus involved. It just goes to show that it is not as much of a "Divorce Aspect" as other astrologers led us to believe. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted December 31, 2011 02:10 PM
It is an interesting topic for many here, that's why it needs to be studied seriously. Like I said I don't personally care if me or anyone else is in a marriage that lasts half a century, cos that's not my deal.And your sample size shows you nothing. If you want to tally up what occurred the most that's one thing, and that's basically what you have. But to draw any kind of conclusion from it, it has no merit. It sits OK as a list, minus the Moon/Saturn, and that's it. A list. And people are going to be looking at that list drawing conclusions from a list that's not meant to be interpreted. So to me it's a wash. I hope that people realize you need hundreds if not thousands of charts to do astrology research. IP: Logged |
Moonfish
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posted December 31, 2011 02:20 PM
As I stated, I have no issues with being proven wrong. Nothing is stopping people who are interested in this topic to research the link I posted. So whoever feels like this is not enough to be an accurate assumption has the resources.
Continuing to say I'm wrong or inaccurate without a good reason or any research is not going to get very far with changing this theory.
There are plenty of sites that have there opinions about certains aspects & how they effect relationships. People who experienced those aspects may say otherwise.
So unless you've been in or known a relationship with these aspects that turned out differently feel free to say so. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted December 31, 2011 02:29 PM
^ That's the thing. You have no proof. There is nothing to disprove.IP: Logged |
Moonfish
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posted December 31, 2011 02:34 PM
Tell me, how many marriages do you believe have lasted more than 80 years?
What's not to be proven? the TOP longest lasting marriages are on that site, and they all happen to have these aspects in common. It can be proven by continuing to look at more couples charts, simple as that.
Your agrument is to state the same thing over and over. If that is the only disproof you have than there is not much to this debate XD IP: Logged |
Moonfish
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posted December 31, 2011 02:43 PM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
I hope that people realize you need hundreds if not thousands of charts to do astrology research.
Again, they have the resources to do so. IP: Logged |
Moonfish
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posted December 31, 2011 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
Apologies for a non-astrological post but I'm wondering if the data you posted takes into account factors such as culture and religion? If not then I would discount this study.
Good question, most of the marriages seem to be in U.S. where it was not very common to have arranged marriages. Though that doesn't mean they weren't nevertheless. If you don't believe in this study that's your choice. This is a just simple show and tell theory. I've seen it, posted it, and nothing more than that. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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From: Bay Area, CA
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posted December 31, 2011 05:59 PM
Moonfish, I think your study is a good start. I think the aspects you're talking about are worthy of merit....I'm not going to nitpick over terminology. 30 charts studied is 30 more than a lot of other people have looked into. It's a start, and an observation. Maybe using the term observation is more accurate than the term 'study'...but you know, it's just that study is more on a personal level here. Which imo is fine and still worth discussion.Besides! Who has time and energy to do study of hundreds of thousands of charts? I know some do, but if you don't have the time or are somehow learning astro for a few years, does that mean your observations are somehow less worth merit than if you're putting like 30 years instead of 30 studies? I don't think so.
And even then, the aspects claimed by that huge amount of research would become statistics. I have no interest in statistical-based astrology alone , it goes against some of the art of astrology.
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Moonfish
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posted December 31, 2011 07:17 PM
Thank you for taking that into consideration. I am by no means an expert in astrology, though situations such as marriages lasting between 80-90yrs is a pretty minimum amount of people in the world. So I did not feel like my search needed to be that advanced. I can see if it was more general like 20-90yrs of marriage where more charts would need to be observed. & yea I agree w/ youIP: Logged |
mockingbird
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posted December 31, 2011 08:21 PM
Moon - Have you thought of comparing 30+ year marriages and your super-long marriages?It would be interesting to see if the common aspects held true. It would also allow for a larger sample size if should wish to further pursue your research. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted December 31, 2011 09:05 PM
It's true that marriages lasted for much longer back then and not now. I also wonder about things like generational aspects....the generational changes must affect commitment or what constitutes partnership. Case in point is us Uranus in Libra folks, for instance. They sort of started redefining it...plus it's when divorces started to really explode, and when there was less shame about divorce, or even people who wouldn't marry but instead live together. So it's things like this to me which make something like a study of long time marriages hard...it's so relative because a couple married 50+ years is not uncommon to find from another generation! But what long-term is in marriage this day is like 5 years  ....What if that is sort of an evolutionary thing? My feeling is it might be reflected in astro...how can it not be? Maybe couples get together and have a child and go their separate ways, and this no longer any less valid than a couple married over 30-50 years, because maybe that couple of 50 years together would be doing the same exact thing had they been born a few years later. Anyway, this is just what goes on in my head when I think of questions regarding long term aspects in astro, and the like. IP: Logged |
stillatlarge
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posted December 31, 2011 09:26 PM
How did this turn into an argument? If thirty long-married couples I know have that in common, that is damn sure significant in my book. I don't believe the sun conjunct moon thing either. I don't have it with ANYbody and for some reason my lunatic sister from hell has it with EVERYbody. IP: Logged |
josie
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Registered: Aug 2011
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posted January 01, 2012 05:36 AM
Hi Moonfish..
You have inspired me to do my own research..
Iam interested in to find out if the node axis conjunct either of Asc/Dec or Mc/Ic is a prominent aspect in long lasting relationships/marriages..
Thanks for a interesting topic!
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mintgirl123
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posted January 01, 2012 06:07 AM
^ But with that you need to know their birth place and time of birth.IP: Logged |
racole12
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posted January 01, 2012 05:49 PM
My god, Moonfish is just sharing what she learned. That's it. If you don't like it, then let it go. If you just continue to argue that her research is pointless, then you have a deeper issue going on (for example, maybe being angry at another person and projecting it on another person) and in the end you are just arguing with yourself. Moonfish, thank you for your research and inspiring me to look at the subject a little more. IP: Logged |
amelia28
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posted January 01, 2012 10:24 PM
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Originally posted by Moonfish:
@Lonake/amelia28
Thats your opinion, but keep in mind I did the Top +30 longest marriages recorded World Wide (the shortest 81yrs). If you ask me, it's pretty rare for marriages to last that long especially in this day of age where divorce rates are nearly 50%. So I feel like my research was a decent amount considering how many couples actually stay together for that extended time. Are you saying that these aspects continuing to come up is nearly just a coincidence? If so, I'm always up for a good debate (Jupiter sq Mercury). Again with Moon-Saturn I've seen it plenty times in my personal experience so I'm not taking that off :]If you Click the link there are over 100 marriages listed. Feel free to do your own research if it interests you.
Moonfish....I Like your thread.......I think is a good pilot/exploratory research that brings to attention the need for further research to be done in it to really confirm validity and reliability. In other words I think is a great initiative for a correlational study between successful marriages and astrological indicators. I Like people that are curious and notice patterns and come up with theories based on those patterns but like I said with any research the findings need to be replicated multiple times and you need a representative sample but its a great pilot. I personally have read often research based on small samples at university and at university they tell you to take in the findings but keeping in mind why the results can be biased so that next time research on topic is done by you or someone else it is perfected resulting in more objective findings. To be honest every research I have read usually has problems with it. You can always find something that can be perfected that can account for biased or somewhat biased results but it should not stop you from trying to do research about something ever or from publishing your results as then most research will not get published as like I said almost all have something to keep in mind when reviewing the findings. IP: Logged |
lilithpluto
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posted January 01, 2012 11:34 PM
Hi folks, in all the mentioned posts, you were all refering to saturn aspects in synastry... but what about saturn aspects in composite charts? Does that matter at all? Which one will meant a longer relationship? For example: Synastry sun mutually aspect saturn or composite sun conjunct saturn? IP: Logged |
Stawr
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posted January 03, 2012 01:10 AM
My parents have been Married for 27 years. Here is their synastry.
I noticed that it's pretty simple and it's all positive aspects.(but this is with out Moon and Asc aspects. My mom is a Gemini Rising, while my dad is a Scorpio Rising, and mom is a Cappy Moon and my Dad is a Cancer) My mom met my dad when she was 19...and she married him at age 27. So they took it pretty slow. Sun Sextile Sun
Mercury Trine Venus
Mercury Trine Saturn
Mercury Conjunction Uranus
Saturn Sextile Neptune
Saturn Trine Pluto
Uranus Sextile Mercury
Neptune Conjunction Neptune
Pluto Sextile Neptune
Pluto Conjunction Pluto Another thing I noticed is that my mom's Juno is in Libra and my dad is a Libra Sun. And my Dad has Juno in Gemini and my mom has it Rising!
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MyVirgoMask
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posted January 03, 2012 01:25 AM
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Originally posted by lilithpluto:
Hi folks, in all the mentioned posts, you were all refering to saturn aspects in synastry... but what about saturn aspects in composite charts? Does that matter at all? Which one will meant a longer relationship? For example: Synastry sun mutually aspect saturn or composite sun conjunct saturn?
I think composite Saturn matters definitely. My relationship now has zero Saturn composite aspects, but our synastry does. I think in some cases an unaspected planet in composite can take extra importance or attention. If it's not doing well in synastry either, then it might be problematic.
Sun mutually aspect Saturn can work like a conjunction , I feel. Not the same but similar. IP: Logged |
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