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Topic: Debate: Composite or Synastry?
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lilithpluto
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posted January 04, 2012 07:14 AM
  
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Originally posted by sand:
i thought synastry- how the couple functions together composite how they interact with the environment.. something like that.
I like that defination...  I like a good synastry too. That is mostly the reason I will fall in love. W/o a good synastry, the odds of two person falling in love is pretty slim... Will two person fall in love with a so-so synastry but a great composite chart? IP: Logged |
mockingbird
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posted January 04, 2012 10:11 AM
*shrugs*I dunno. Here's the composite for my husband and I:   I'm not sure how good that synastry is - *squints* there's an awful lot of red
But we're very much in love, and fell pretty fast and hard. IP: Logged |
Still_Hopeful
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posted January 04, 2012 10:13 AM
LilithPluto
"Will two person fall in love with a so-so synastry but a great composite chart?"
IMHO, I believe it is quite possible (especially from woman side)-- meaning, chemistry for girls is important but not as important as for boys.
On another hand, great synastry and poor composite is a recipe to doomed rel.
In my own experince, great synastry will take you so far (may be 1st stage of rel).IP: Logged |
amelia28
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posted January 04, 2012 10:40 AM
quote:
Originally posted by lilithpluto:
I like that defination... I like a good synastry too. That is mostly the reason I will fall in love. W/o a good synastry, the odds of two person falling in love is pretty slim... Will two person fall in love with a so-so synastry but a great composite chart?
that makes sense that synastry will make you fall in love, I can agree to this but the composite will determine if the relationship makes it long term bc a scattered composite will not feel like is going anywhere and provide purpose or direction in the lives of the people involved. For example, a composite with an empty 7th house even with great synastry longterm will probably not lead to a committed longterm romantic relationship, the same goes with a friendship with an empty 11th house. Also if there isn't a stellium then relationship will not feel like it has a sense of purpose and also decreases the chances of it passing the TEST of time. Ofcourse there are exceptions and this is completely up for debate and just my personal experience so far. IP: Logged |
lilithpluto
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posted January 04, 2012 10:49 AM
Thankx Amelia and Still_hopeful... very insightful!! IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted January 04, 2012 10:58 AM
quote:
Originally posted by lilithpluto:
I like that defination... I like a good synastry too. That is mostly the reason I will fall in love. W/o a good synastry, the odds of two person falling in love is pretty slim... Will two person fall in love with a so-so synastry but a great composite chart?
This is a great question and my question, too!
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sand
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posted January 04, 2012 11:09 AM
can attraction be seen in either? i mean we mostly do charts of someone we dated/ are dating or our current partner so there is definitely something there.. what about a total stranger like if we randomly put our birthdays here and ran charts and took the 2 most compatible people?also it may be just me but females seem to know what they want compared to us guys..
i mean like they know what works with their chart. plus they seem to follow it more. i don't think i would. IP: Logged |
lilithpluto
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posted January 04, 2012 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by sand:
also it may be just me but females seem to know what they want compared to us guys..
i mean like they know what works with their chart. plus they seem to follow it more. i don't think i would.
I only follow those whom I have that flash of love at first sight. And it will always be at least several hot aspects. Cos I want to know if it is mutual. I'm girly in love.
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Chironrising
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posted January 04, 2012 08:17 PM
I don't know if someone said this but
maybe synastry is the myopic view between two people and how they see themsevels interactingand perhaps the composite is how they appear to the world as a group, or how they operate as a unit, like bandmates, partners, or marriage, or boyfriend girlfriend... IP: Logged |
littlecloud
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posted January 05, 2012 09:28 PM
What I'm curious about is the aspects in synastry vs the composite (and even natal but that might be confusing it more). More specifically if a couple both has merc square Jupiter in their natal, but in synastry has merc sextile/trine Jupiter double wammy, and then in composite has merc square jupiter again, how does this all play out? or just synastry to composite
double wammy mars trine saturn, but mars opp saturn in composite? IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted January 05, 2012 10:34 PM
From my uninformed astrological perspective, but that of a working husband and father, synastry appears to be the part about compatibility and falling in love and all that jazz.It appears to me that composite appears to be a couple's mission together and overall objective. It shows strategic direction. It seems to me that synastry stops becoming meaningful after a while into the marriage because compatibility should be a given before marriage even occurs. Its living and working together as a unified force that ultimately determines the survivalibility of the marriage. Bringing two people who are compatible together is ultimately not meaningful in the long run unless they have the will to work together. One party strays, and its all over. One party is egotistical and marginalizes the other party's viewpoints, and its also over. After being on this forum for a month or two, and observing the viewpoints of many many single women, I have come to a personal observation that there is a considerable level of disillusionment about what leads to a super successful marriage. Its not about the +4 synastry factors. Its not about the romance, and I can assure you that its not about whose Venus sits on whose Mars. Human will power and determination to make a marriage work will always triumph. It seems to me that those lie in the composite factors. The moment you have a two month old chollicky baby, dirty diapers, dishes in the sink, laundry piled sky high, unmade beds, garbage not disposed, lawns not mowed, and a husband that its out with his drinking buddies at the Sunday football game for 8 hours, the tailgate party before that, and then off to the bar, there goes the marriage. I guarantee you that. IP: Logged |
littlecloud
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posted January 05, 2012 10:38 PM
^ to put it simply; Word upIP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming
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posted January 05, 2012 10:45 PM
Those are all interesting questions. To the last poster, i wonder about those things sometimes, too. I understand what the person who said this meant: that the composite is what they feel for the person, while synastry is actual reality about what the relationship is like. I think it was Betty Boop? This is so true, I just realized! I think that there is a very valid point to this idea. I really think that the composite shows how the relationship makes both people feel, while synastry shows how actions are played out in reality. Synastry is nt aboutfeelings, then, but about the actual goings on inside ur relationship...like if you make each other laugh, what you like talking about, what activities you enjoy doing together, how you make each other react. And i think it's all pretty specific things. But then the composite simply shows feelings. Like if you hace sun conjunct jupiter or venus, you really like each other. If you have sun trine uranus you feel liberated by each other. If you have sun square mars you feel energized but also annoyed by each other. But it doent mean you actually fight. Sun/moon/mercury opp mars in Synastry in the other habd, would definitely mean you fight! Bc it's not about how u feel, about reality.Lol i am just realizing that. Tell me if that makes sense at all.... IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming
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posted January 05, 2012 10:47 PM
YoursTrulyAlways: Yes!!That's what I was saying about the composite as well, and why it's more important than synastry. IP: Logged |
amelia28
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posted January 05, 2012 10:58 PM
quote:
Originally posted by littlecloud:
What I'm curious about is the aspects in synastry vs the composite (and even natal but that might be confusing it more). More specifically if a couple both has merc square Jupiter in their natal, but in synastry has merc sextile/trine Jupiter double wammy, and then in composite has merc square jupiter again, how does this all play out? or just synastry to composite
double wammy mars trine saturn, but mars opp saturn in composite?
Really good questions....thanks for sharing... Something to ponder on now  .
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amelia28
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posted January 05, 2012 11:15 PM
quote:
Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
From my uninformed astrological perspective, but that of a working husband and father, synastry appears to be the part about compatibility and falling in love and all that jazz.It appears to me that composite appears to be a couple's mission together and overall objective. It shows strategic direction. It seems to me that synastry stops becoming meaningful after a while into the marriage because compatibility should be a given before marriage even occurs. Its living and working together as a unified force that ultimately determines the survivalibility of the marriage. Bringing two people who are compatible together is ultimately not meaningful in the long run unless they have the will to work together. One party strays, and its all over. One party is egotistical and marginalizes the other party's viewpoints, and its also over. After being on this forum for a month or two, and observing the viewpoints of many many single women, I have come to a personal observation that there is a considerable level of disillusionment about what leads to a super successful marriage. Its not about the +4 synastry factors. Its not about the romance, and I can assure you that its not about whose Venus sits on whose Mars. Human will power and determination to make a marriage work will always triumph. It seems to me that those lie in the composite factors. The moment you have a two month old chollicky baby, dirty diapers, dishes in the sink, laundry piled sky high, unmade beds, garbage not disposed, lawns not mowed, and a husband that its out with his drinking buddies at the Sunday football game for 8 hours, the tailgate party before that, and then off to the bar, there goes the marriage. I guarantee you that.
I completely agree and everything you mentioned is what I have been learning and still have a lot to learn....its not easy for me bc I have NN in the 7th and only one saturn aspect so not wanting to run when things get hard does not come naturally to me but my parents never got divorce and neither did both of my grandparents so I have good examples and a good shot that I will get better and better at this relationship thing with time and a partner who fights for the relationship which I have. I have never run bc of financial stuff so I am at least really loyal when things get hard financially but do feel like running from fights and conflict and feel the urge to end things when fights and conflict arise. Edit: OH and I really like your perception on synastry and composite charts. IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted January 06, 2012 12:04 AM
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Originally posted by amelia28:
OH and I really like your perception on synastry and composite charts.
Thank you. Its just practical common sense speaking. IP: Logged |
mockingbird
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posted January 06, 2012 07:58 AM
YTA: Nice IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted January 06, 2012 09:56 AM
Just an illustration:My brother-in-law (wife's sister's husband) is a good guy. Smart. Accomplished. (Harvard MBAs usually are). Good looking (model looks, whatever.. good grief). Successful. Caring. Etc. etc. He's a very good father as well. The romance between him and my sister-in-law was so hyped and all that (she's 100% into the romance hoopla). Gag a maggot. Anyway, he likes his baseball and his beloved Boston Red Sox. Two hours after the wedding ceremony, he was in the hotel room and proceeded to watch all Eleven(!) innings (including overtime) of a *regular* season game (so it wasn't even some special championship game). Not that watching the Super Bowl on your wedding day is a valid excuse. [Tangent: would you believe that at a NYC hospital, the OB wheeled in a TV into the operating room during the ceasaran section and was high fiving the other doctors while watching the Super Bowl while the helpless woman delivering was laying there on the operating table?] Anyway, four hours later (or however long a baseball game goes for), he has a new bride who has already fallen asleep, totally untouched, after crying her eyes out. He then finally changes out of his tuxedo (because baseball is so exciting even during the commercials that you can't possibly change), and then goes downstairs to party with his drinking college buddies who came to his wedding. Anyway, the next day was a Sunday, and they were supposed to pack to leave on their honeymoon. Guess what? The Red Sox was playing again. Where does romance get you??? When people cannot get their heads out of their posteriors and work hard at their marriage, it will eventually fall apart, no matter how romantic the courtship was and no matter how compatible the couple is. That is why many Hollywood marriages invariably fall apart. IP: Logged |
sand
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posted January 06, 2012 09:57 AM
hmm so in a way.. it is more natal chart still because this determines whether one is determined and has will power.i know someone made that point before in another synastry discussion.
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mockingbird
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posted January 06, 2012 10:00 AM
YTA: That reminds me of something my husband says: "Marriage is a verb, not a noun." Yes, I'm a lucky gal  IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted January 06, 2012 10:01 AM
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Originally posted by mockingbird:
YTA: That reminds me of something my husband says: "Marriage is a verb, not a noun." Yes, I'm a lucky gal
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lilithpluto
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posted January 06, 2012 10:14 AM
Well said Ian!! Hmmmmm...narrows down the pool.. Damn, first must fall in love (synastry) then hopefully a good composite for long term relationship. Your right on all counts but I can't help it!!! To date a guy whom I dun feel strongly about (so-so synastry but he makes great husband material) will end up me hurting him. Bad for Karma. IP: Logged |
lilithpluto
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posted January 06, 2012 10:15 AM
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Originally posted by mockingbird:
YTA: That reminds me of something my husband says: "Marriage is a verb, not a noun." Yes, I'm a lucky gal
Yes, lucky girl!! IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted January 06, 2012 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by lilithpluto:
Well said Ian!! Hmmmmm...narrows down the pool.. Damn, first must fall in love (synastry) then hopefully a good composite for long term relationship. Your right on all counts but I can't help it!!! To date a guy whom I dun feel strongly about (so-so synastry but he makes great husband material) will end up me hurting him. Bad for Karma.
I didn't say latch on to the first unattractive looking, boring guy that comes along!
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