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Coffee
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posted January 03, 2012 03:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thought it best to start a new topic instead of derailing a thread. Guess I might get the blame for that too

As it reads. I've taken this type of astrology as far as I can. I've done my best to teach people HOW to do astrology properly, and some listen. Others just don't want to listen.

I'm due to start writing a book about this way, so maybe I can actually have some respect for the way I do astrology, because everyone respects astrologers who have been published, right? It's the way of the world to respect someone who is out there on the public scene or with something solid to fall back on.

Some have asked me why I stay on this site when there's so many nut jobs and insecure women here, why I waste my talents here. The plain and simple answer is: this is what astrology deal with in real life - real people who have insecurity problems, among other things.

People don't want to know the right way to do astrology as this means the way they have learned is just plain wrong - no-one wants to admit that. Also, I give straight up advice, even if it goes against what the person wants to hear - so I can be a little rough round the edges, in comparison to others.

I've had strange thing happen to me, which I shared with you on this forum, which I was mocked with. That's the thing about this site and many of the people here. You all spread peace, light and love, in words, but you don't live it. You, most on here, just wear the mask of peace, light and love. I can tell this with some of the bad comments you make. I never claimed to be all peace, light and love, so don't insult me for being not all peace light and love.

Many good people have left. Maybe you should take note of why they have left. So, any more insults coming my way, or will some of actually appreciate the TIME spent over the last few YEARS hopefully helping you out?

All you peace love and light people have a chance to show that you can be really nasty, so why don't you escape the mask for a brief time and show the rest of the forum what you're really like?

My work on this forum is done, and my book is written on this forum, and will be coming out in true published format in good time.

I've met some great people on here, and remain friends with them, but I've also met some nasty ones. It's just a shame that some of those nasty ones run this forum. When you're at your lowest, you find out who the good ones are. The bad ones on here just knocked me even further.

So, any nasty ones want to reveal their true self, while I make another, but permanent, farewell?

Thanks for the time and expertise, but f-off type of thing? Let's see.

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Coffee
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posted January 03, 2012 03:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You gonna lock this because it speaks out against the mods, or to minimise my voice like you do with others?

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ElizabethO
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posted January 03, 2012 03:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ElizabethO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, Coffee, I'll be sad to see you go... I do find your methods of analysis to be quite interesting as you already know. You've help to broaden my understanding of this divine art, and I appreciate it very much.

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teasel
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posted January 03, 2012 03:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not nasty, and you were mean to someone. I asked you why you stay here when you seem to have such a low opinion of so many people here. I've never had a problem with you before, and I don't see why you can't understand how you are coming off to some here, when you get equally defensive, and mock people (I was poking at myself in that other thread, because I shouldn't have been bothered by you).

I'm not a queen bee, and would love to learn, but not with you deliberately insulting a bunch of us in the process. you aren't going to help or teach anyone anything that way.

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posted January 03, 2012 03:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I have a request/suggestion for your book, which is if it's research oriented at all, to include charts, as in examples. And then details of what you did so that it can be reproduced for further research.

I don't remember which thread it was, but it was a yr back maybe, and you were adamant against posting charts or examples or specifics for some reason. Maybe it was a rectification thread.. I prob shouldn't even bring this up since I have nothing to back it up with, as in a link. But I know it had to do with you being busy and not having the time, but it felt like you were using the time constraint thing as an excuse (for some reason). Just the way it came across. Obv I don't know why you didn't want to include spec. Maybe cos you wanted to save it for your book.

"and my book is written on this forum"
---You posted your writings on LL already? You mean in bits and pieces in your posts I guess.

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RegardesPlatero
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posted January 03, 2012 03:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Coffee, if you don't mind my asking (and I want to be very clear that I am not asking in a disrespectful or angry tone. My tone here is of genuine curiosity, and as I type, my inner feeling and energy is calm).

Why is it so important to you that people get it the "right" way? And what do you mean specifically by "right" way? Using whole signs? Interpreting things the same way?

I can understand being frustrated if someone is trying to 're-invent' astrology and bend meanings to fit their wishes, so if that's what you mean, I can see why that would be aggravating. On the other hand, though, there are some disagreements in astrology (like house systems), and for me at least, it's OK to disagree on some things while still working 'within the rules' and respecting the framework. It's the same way that I view denominations within Christianity: we may have different cultures and customs, but we're all Christians. We may not agree on everything, but we do agree on the core things. So, I see astrology like that, to an extent. Is your frustration that some people try to change the core things?

I'm not really clear on how exactly you define the "right" way, which is why I am asking--again, calmly, respectfully, and out of a sincere wish to know and have this clarified.

Thanks!

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Coffee
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posted January 03, 2012 03:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by teasel:
I'm not nasty, and you were mean to someone. I asked you why you stay here when you seem to have such a low opinion of so many people here. I've never had a problem with you before, and I don't see why you can't understand how you are coming off to some here, when you get equally defensive, and mock people (I was poking at myself in that other thread, because I shouldn't have been bothered by you).

I'm not a queen bee, and would love to learn, but not with you deliberately insulting a bunch of us in the process. you aren't going to help or teach anyone anything that way.


What insults in particular? Gimme examples. I know I have.

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Coffee
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posted January 03, 2012 03:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
Coffee, if you don't mind my asking (and I want to be [b]very clear that I am not asking in a disrespectful or angry tone. My tone here is of genuine curiosity, and as I type, my inner feeling and energy is calm).

Why is it so important to you that people get it the "right" way? And what do you mean specifically by "right" way? Using whole signs? Interpreting things the same way?

I can understand being frustrated if someone is trying to 're-invent' astrology and bend meanings to fit their wishes, so if that's what you mean, I can see why that would be aggravating. On the other hand, though, there are some disagreements in astrology (like house systems), and for me at least, it's OK to disagree on some things while still working 'within the rules' and respecting the framework. It's the same way that I view denominations within Christianity: we may have different cultures and customs, but we're all Christians. We may not agree on everything, but we do agree on the core things. So, I see astrology like that, to an extent. Is your frustration that some people try to change the core things?

I'm not really clear on how exactly you define the "right" way, which is why I am asking--again, calmly, respectfully, and out of a sincere wish to know and have this clarified.

Thanks![/B]


I want people to learn the right way to do astrology, otherwise they would be wasting their time on the wrong way. If you want to know the right way to do astrology, look up all my posts and you have it there. Look up the astrology of death and combined orb parts.

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teasel
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posted January 03, 2012 03:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I've met some great people on here, and remain friends with them, but I've also met some nasty ones. It's just a shame that some of those nasty ones run this forum. When you're at your lowest, you find out who the good ones are. The bad ones on here just knocked me even further.

Same here. You really have no idea, but go ahead and not only judge me further, but decide that you know all about me. Why don't you try listening instead? Really listening.

And I left in the past, too. I came back to visit friends, and met some more nice people here. You aren't the only one, and we most likely have some mutual friends, unless something has changed in the past few days.

I am at my lowest, too. I have been, and have been trying to stay afloat. Thank you for knocking me down, at what really couldn't be a worse time.

Cheers.

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Coffee
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posted January 03, 2012 03:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ElizabethO:
Well, Coffee, I'll be sad to see you go... I do find your methods of analysis to be quite interesting as you already know. You've help to broaden my understanding of this divine art, and I appreciate it very much.

Thank you Elizabeth!

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Coffee
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posted January 03, 2012 03:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:
Same here. You really have no idea, but go ahead and not only judge me further, but decide that you know all about me. Why don't you try listening instead? Really listening.

And I left in the past, too. I came back to visit friends, and met some more nice people here. You aren't the only one, and we most likely have some mutual friends, unless something has changed in the past few days.

I am at my lowest, too. I have been, and have been trying to stay afloat. Thank you for knocking me down, at what really couldn't be a worse time.

Cheers.


Where did I knock you down? Gimme example please!

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posted January 03, 2012 03:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lonake:
Well I have a request/suggestion for your book, which is if it's research oriented at all, to include charts, as in examples. And then details of what you did so that it can be reproduced for further research.

I don't remember which thread it was, but it was a yr back maybe, and you were adamant against posting charts or examples or specifics for some reason. Maybe it was a rectification thread.. I prob shouldn't even bring this up since I have nothing to back it up with, as in a link. But I know it had to do with you being busy and not having the time, but it felt like you were using the time constraint thing as an excuse (for some reason). Just the way it came across. Obv I don't know why you didn't want to include spec. Maybe cos you wanted to save it for your book.

"and my book is written on this forum"
---You posted your writings on LL already? You mean in bits and pieces in your posts I guess.


Yes, posted on this forum, in bits and pieces for you to understand. I will use as little examples as possible as I'm not there to make up space. If I have an example to back me up, someone can have an example to prove my idea wrong. So I'll just tell it straight how to do it. Tell it straight.

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posted January 03, 2012 03:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Coffee:
I want people to learn the right way to do astrology, otherwise they would be wasting their time on the wrong way. If you want to know the right way to do astrology, look up all my posts and you have it there. Look up the astrology of death and combined orb parts.

But (and I don't mean to be rude) why is it so important if they get it wrong?

I'm genuinely trying to wrap my head around it. I guess what I'm trying to figure out is why it matters to this extent because I don't really get that way myself and so I'm just trying to understand what it is that makes this so important. I guess my own attitude would be to express my view and if it wasn't going anywhere, to agree to disagree and not let it get to me too much, so I'm trying to understand the 'other side'.

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posted January 03, 2012 03:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
But (and I don't mean to be rude) why is it so important if they get it wrong?

I'm genuinely trying to wrap my head around it. I guess what I'm trying to figure out is why it matters to this extent because I don't really get that way myself and so I'm just trying to understand what it is that makes this so important. I guess my own attitude would be to express my view and if it wasn't going anywhere, to agree to disagree and not let it get to me too much, so I'm trying to understand the 'other side'.


Maybe you view astrology as an interpretive art, which has no actual basis in reality. Like saying that astrology cannot do anything real. Obviously, if you do astrology the wrong way, you get a wrong answer. A question of 'is this guy interested' could turn out to be no, when in fact the right type of astrology would say YES YES YES. Understand?

You did ask why it's important the right kind of astrology gets taught. So I read anyway.

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posted January 03, 2012 04:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Coffee:
If I have an example to back me up, someone can have an example to prove my idea wrong. So I'll just tell it straight how to do it. Tell it straight.

And so it stands explained.
Gotcha.

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posted January 03, 2012 04:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From what I have seen, you have not been wholly respectful to a number of people here.

Something I personally noticed time and again in your interactions with people (including myself) is that instead of teaching others you have this attitude that you know it all, which isn't conductive to friendly camaraderie, conversation and exchange of ideas.

If you like to be seen as an authority, you need to remember that respect and authority status are gained (not imposed).

Good luck on your journey,
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posted January 03, 2012 04:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by anongrl10:
From what I have seen, you have not been wholly respectful to a number of people here.

Something I personally noticed time and again in your interactions with people (including myself) is that instead of teaching others you have this attitude that you know it all, which isn't conductive to friendly camaraderie, conversation and exchange of ideas.

If you like to be seen as an authority, you need to remember that respect and authority status are gained (not imposed).

Good luck on your journey,
Anongrl10


I don't think ANYONE here knows the right way to do astrology, other than me, so maybe my actions reveal this big difference between me and the normal astrologer here. Maybe you think I have that attitude because that's how the reality of the situation comes across. I do know how to do astrology the right way. You lot, don't.

Can you find an example of me thinking that I know it all? Just knowing the right way of doing astrology is not reason enough to think that I'm a know it all.

Have I give people good answers, despite any other funny to me comments I might have made? I always come up with a 'different' way of looking at astrology. If you can't admit that you haven't seen many of my posts!

Yep, I've earned respect from many. Not on here though.

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posted January 03, 2012 04:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Coffee:
I don't think ANYONE here knows the right way to do astrology, other than me,

Yeah... that's what gives you license to offend and talk down to people.

It's best that you go. Really.

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posted January 03, 2012 04:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by anongrl10:
Yeah... that's what gives you license to offend and talk down to people.

It's best that you go. Really.


Thanks for being positive. Like I said, some negative ones here.

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posted January 03, 2012 04:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are many ways to arrive at the same answer.

That being said, Coffee you are one of the extreme few (counting on one hand) on this site that I feel has substance to their posts regarding astrology. However you as a person strike me quite like a porcupine, very cute but I'd be scared to touch you.

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posted January 03, 2012 04:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Coffee:
Maybe you view astrology as an interpretive art, which has no actual basis in reality. Like saying that astrology cannot do anything real. Obviously, if you do astrology the wrong way, you get a wrong answer. A question of 'is this guy interested' could turn out to be no, when in fact the right type of astrology would say YES YES YES. Understand?

You did ask why it's important the right kind of astrology gets taught. So I read anyway.


I think that I'm getting there.

I think (and if I'm wrong, correct me, as I genuinely wish to understand) that you view astrology as having one truth/one correct way, and from your view, it is VERY important that the truth be told and that you defend it. Am I right?

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posted January 03, 2012 04:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by littlecloud:
There are many ways to arrive at the same answer.

That being said, Coffee you are one of the extreme few (counting on one hand) on this site that I feel has substance to their posts regarding astrology. However you as a person strike me quite like a porcupine, very cute but I'd be scared to touch you.


Thank you littlecloud!

If something needs to be said, half the time I will say it. I'm very serious about my work and passion in life. That's astrology.

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posted January 03, 2012 04:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
I think that I'm getting there.

I think (and if I'm wrong, correct me, as I genuinely wish to understand) that you view astrology as having one truth/one correct way, and from your view, it is VERY important that the truth be told and that you defend it. Am I right?


It's very important that the real way of doing astrology be told, so people stop wasting time on learning the wrong way, and spending money on the wrong astrologers who are so effing pathetic with how they use computer printouts which are just wrong. That is lazy and unprofessional.

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posted January 03, 2012 04:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Coffee:
It's very important that the real way of doing astrology be told, so people stop wasting time on learning the wrong way, and spending money on the wrong astrologers who are so effing pathetic with how they use computer printouts which are just wrong. That is lazy and unprofessional.


So your ardor, then, is against people that you feel are misleading others or lying to them? It's dishonesty and sloppiness that upsets you?


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posted January 03, 2012 04:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why is it always better to leave?
Differences in opinions and discussions should be rewarding.

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