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Libreo
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posted January 10, 2012 01:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Libreo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Doing some research, I'm getting a lot of "aquarius likes to play Devil's Advocate'. 2 questions, would you say that playing Devil's Advocate is similar to reverse psychology ( you want someone to think you have a certain stand that you don't actually have) and secondly, why do they do this? What is it they are wanting to achieve?

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posted January 10, 2012 01:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fondue Knight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like to do this. Uranus singleton conj ASC. I'll tell people straight up that I'm playing devil's advocate, I just like to challenge their viewpoint. I read a description of the Uranus singleton around here somewhere that they like to pull the rug from others' sense of self importance. When I play devil's advocate, it's mostly to try and make them second guess themselves. If they can give me a well thought out explanation to whatever it is that I was questioning, I will be satisfied.

I think for Aquarius energy in general... they're a very mental bunch. I don't think they do it to annoy so much as it's a form of mental gymnastics.

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posted January 10, 2012 02:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for freebrainstorms     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DITTO.

I love playing devil's advocate but i'm also straight up about it, i love making people question things. i think it's essential element to life, people shouldn't so automatically accept everything they're told, there's nothing scarier to me than passive complicity.


QUESTION EVERYTHING.

i know what you mean about aquariuses sometimes using reverse psychology though and although i think my pisces influence stops me from using it a ton, i have a double sun/moon aqua friend and that is ALWAYS her weapon of choice.

Yes, it is a form of mental gymnastics to us, but it makes me sad to think that people would be annoyed at having to think critically about things.

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posted January 10, 2012 02:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Libreo:
Doing some research, I'm getting a lot of "aquarius likes to play Devil's Advocate'. 2 questions, would you say that playing Devil's Advocate is similar to reverse psychology ( you want someone to think you have a certain stand that you don't actually have) and secondly, why do they do this? What is it they are wanting to achieve?

I have Moon trine Uranus which is akin to an Aquarius moon. I also have Gemini rising. I'm not sure which is stronger in playing devil's advocate but playing it is second nature to me. I play it to teach people to expand their minds for the most part. You can't learn (or maybe I don't know how else to teach) without a challenge. You don't have to take my views but at least now you should think about problems looking at it from all angles, different viewpoints, even admitting your stance isn't the best way and it's based upon how you feel about the given situation.

ETA: I think both my Gemini rising and Moon/Uranus play into this! Geminis are all about being on equal footing and the pseudo Aqua moon Devil's play is about trying to teach others we're all the same and need to work together, and we can't do that if we only have one person dictating what's best.

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posted January 10, 2012 02:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Fondue Knight:
I like to do this. Uranus singleton conj ASC. I'll tell people straight up that I'm playing devil's advocate, I just like to challenge their viewpoint. I read a description of the Uranus singleton around here somewhere that they like to pull the rug from others' sense of self importance. When I play devil's advocate, it's mostly to try and make them second guess themselves. If they can give me a well thought out explanation to whatever it is that I was questioning, I will be satisfied.

I think for Aquarius energy in general... they're a very mental bunch. I don't think they do it to annoy so much as it's a form of mental gymnastics.


BINGO! Exactly what I was trying to say.

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posted January 10, 2012 02:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Libreo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So would you PRETEND to have a certain opinion, when in fact you have a different one, as in, 'foolong' the other person unbeknown to them? Or is it more a form of open debate? In other words, is it Devils advocate, or is it reverse psychology?

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posted January 10, 2012 02:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've found Libras to be much more this way -or more Libra-influenced people. Aquas will generally favor the underdog but not necessarily be interested in engaging in the full spectrum of debate about it. Their causes are too close to their hearts. They want to be objective but forget that they are part of the equation...and there's often a Libra there to point that out.

You can agree or disagree with me if you like. I'm a Libra stellium and only here to be a devil's advocate to your discussion

Although I am in partial agreement as well, having a Uranus/Moon opposition and Aqua singlton conj my MC.

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posted January 10, 2012 02:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Libreo:
So would you PRETEND to have a certain opinion, when in fact you have a different one, as in, 'foolong' the other person unbeknown to them? Or is it more a form of open debate? In other words, is it Devils advocate, or is it reverse psychology?

My opinion wouldn't even be part of the discussion.

Person A: "I think XYZ"
Me: "Okay, but what if ABC"
Person A - rebuttle.

So you see, I didn't commit to an opinion or stance, I just threw a wrench in XYZ to see what Person A would come up with. That's not reverse psychology in my opinion because I'm not getting Person A to really DO anything for me like reverse psychology is so often used for.

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posted January 10, 2012 02:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Fondue Knight:
I like to do this. Uranus singleton conj ASC. I'll tell people straight up that I'm playing devil's advocate, I just like to challenge their viewpoint. I read a description of the Uranus singleton around here somewhere that they like to pull the rug from others' sense of self importance. When I play devil's advocate, it's mostly to try and make them second guess themselves. If they can give me a well thought out explanation to whatever it is that I was questioning, I will be satisfied.

I think for Aquarius energy in general... they're a very mental bunch. I don't think they do it to annoy so much as it's a form of mental gymnastics.


Yes, this is coming from sheer curiosity too. But a lot of Aquas are actually very invested in their own opinions....and often do not like to admit it because it makes them look partial. The problem is that there are many of them who believe their own propaganda. At some point, I've seen some of them actually engage in true debate the moment they say they are biased about one thing...meaning they often agree with one point more than another. A lot of time they forget that they are part of the debate and that their own thoughts matter, their opinions matter and they are actually human (even though they sometimes hate to admit it, it seems to register as defeat sometimes when they confess as being mere mortals too ) But when they do admit that they say more about where they do stand and take themselves into consideration, then the debate is more authentic and not so manufactured.

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posted January 10, 2012 04:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aquarius definitely play devil's advocate a lot more than libra, even though libras do it, too, sometimes. But libras do it in such asmooth way, it really just adds interest to a conversation, but when an aquarius does it....unf!! So annoying! Lol.

Geminis do it, too. But even then, they are more harmonious about it than aquas

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posted January 10, 2012 04:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah cakes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hmm, i don't really think i play devil's advocate. i'm gonna have to think about that though. aqua sun, merc, mars. i'm tired so i might not be realizing that/how i do. i'm also too tired to read this thread so maybe i'm missing something obvious.

my scorpio ex did though, all the time.

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posted January 10, 2012 04:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah cakes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
if anyone's interested, i just watched the series 'enlightened' with laura dern which is a-m-a-a-a-a-z-i-n-g. she is an aqua and the show is 100% aqua themes. i think she was one of the writers but i'm not sure. anyway best show i've ever seen hands down (maybe cuz i'm an aqua, but this energy is never this well represented in film/tv, and even more never as an actual plot FOCUS, so i am ecstatic!). since my brain is almost asleep and i just freshly watched this show, i'm using it as a basis for 'the aquarian' in general, and the only correlation i can make of it to devil's advocacy is in terms of the demonization that she faces by being true to her beliefs/causes which she continually attempts to bring to light. so i suppose she embraces the demons/devils that are projected upon her because her vision is broader and renders them irrelevant by the light of the awareness she is attempting to be a part of and provide. as well as facing her own demons which interfere with her vison.

also had a revelation about aqua while watching it during one part of the show. she says 'the light is always there' which i see as the reconciling of aquarius with leo, its opposite. i think aquarius is searching for the REASONS that life is so wonderful, which leo instinctively knows/is. and also, sees the blocks to that realization which is why the need to overhaul and overthrow them.

if that makes any sense.

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posted January 10, 2012 05:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 10, 2012 05:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah cakes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
aww, i think aquas like that are just really uncomfortable with themselves. i mean we all feel like aliens and i know forsure when i was younger i was far more awkward and a bit of a sh!t disturber but we are very aware of emotions (even our own) so i really think there is no excuse for outright insensitivity..

that said, there is a fuzzy line and it's interesting cuz while you might get annoyed that we don't acknowledge or factor in emotions we might get annoyed that your emotions are in the way of a larger context. so it's a bit of a see saw. each sign/modality, etc, has its place and they are all valuable in their own right.

like for example i have this friend who has most of his planets in scorpio and he is soooo emotional all the time that it kind of drives me bonkers. but that is who he is. however he gets very mad at me for not 'caring' or understanding his feelings which he considers all-important at all-times. i personally care very deeply for him but i also don't wish to be pulled into his ever shifting dramas (usually stuff about his new partners which change every week and a lot of anger about how they supposedly treat him badly). we have a great rapport though and he's one of my closest friends. but still i just can't tolerate much of it cuz there is more important stuff going on you know? that is an extreme example to illustrate what i mean about different temperaments. i'm sure he thinks i'm a cold botch at those times so heheh, we're even i guess. no biggie

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posted January 10, 2012 05:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah cakes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
one more thing, i would never 'back' anything i consider immoral even if it advances my 'cause' somehow; that defeats the whole point of aqua (at its best), but i do see how/that some aquas get so fascinated by their own mental constructs that they will do anything to support them; i actually know one who is very much like that.

okee, goin to bed.

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posted January 10, 2012 06:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I have Moon trine Uranus which is akin to an Aquarius moon. I also have Gemini rising. I'm not sure which is stronger in playing devil's advocate but playing it is second nature to me. I play it to teach people to expand their minds for the most part. You can't learn (or maybe I don't know how else to teach) without a challenge. You don't have to take my views but at least now you should think about problems looking at it from all angles, different viewpoints, even admitting your stance isn't the best way and it's based upon how you feel about the given situation.

ETA: I think both my Gemini rising and Moon/Uranus play into this! Geminis are all about being on equal footing and the pseudo Aqua moon Devil's play is about trying to teach others we're all the same and need to work together, and we can't do that if we only have one person dictating what's best.


I have moon trine uranus, too, libra rising, and mercury opposite uranus as well as uranus in the third house.

I don't really play devil's advocate, though. And it irritates me when other people do it.

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posted January 10, 2012 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluegreyeyes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm Aqua Sun/Gem Moon...

I definitely do the devil's advocate thing. I used to do it no matter what when I was younger, I just had to rebel, go against the grain, take the "different viewpoint." Now that I'm older, I have less energy and desire to be right or controversial.

HOWEVER, when I hear people spouting super extreme views or opinions on topics, I will always throw out questions to explore just how educated their viewpoint is. Nothing irritates me more than ignorance and extremism.

I do however, ASK questions and act CURIOUS rather than being argumentative. I'll always allow others to have their opinion, but I like to challenge their passion a little, just to see how much they can back up...

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posted January 10, 2012 10:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mockingbird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Fondue Knight:
I like to do this. Uranus singleton conj ASC. I'll tell people straight up that I'm playing devil's advocate, I just like to challenge their viewpoint. I read a description of the Uranus singleton around here somewhere that they like to pull the rug from others' sense of self importance. When I play devil's advocate, it's mostly to try and make them second guess themselves. If they can give me a well thought out explanation to whatever it is that I was questioning, I will be satisfied.

I think for Aquarius energy in general... they're a very mental bunch. I don't think they do it to annoy so much as it's a form of mental gymnastics.


Yep. Aqua Moon and 1st House Uranus trine my Sun. I love (and am quite good at) playing devil's advocate - doing so challenges my partner's (and my own) assumptions. If nothing else, by the end of the conversation your argument has become more compelling and solid.
It can also be fun to reduce others to sputtering, red-faced maniacs

My husband (Gem Sun, Saggi Moon) enjoys this as well - and I enjoy playing along with him. Especially with his Venus and Mars in Aries...there are few things that compare with getting him all riled up

Note: I am generally polite and inform my conversation-mate(s) that I'm slipping into DA mode
Pisces Sun?

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posted January 10, 2012 11:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fondue Knight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by bluegreyeyes:

HOWEVER, when I hear people spouting super extreme views or opinions on topics, I will always throw out questions to explore just how educated their viewpoint is. Nothing irritates me more than ignorance and extremism.

I do however, ASK questions and act CURIOUS rather than being argumentative. I'll always allow others to have their opinion, but I like to challenge their passion a little, just to see how much they can back up...


YES. I concur with the extremists. And I also make sure I come off more curious than argumentative. I'll say, "So, just to play devil's advocate here, what do you think of blah blah blah..."

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posted January 10, 2012 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fairaqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hahaha.. I so do that!

I usually dont take my SOs parents side in situations but if Im feeling frisky Ill side with them just to see my SO squirm.


Dont know why I do it, it just gives me pleasure.

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posted January 10, 2012 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Libreo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So it's a rebellious thing? An intellectually stimulating type thing, not a form of manipulation to change another persons viewpoint?

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posted January 10, 2012 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mockingbird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Change?
No.

Probe, poke, and explore?
Yes.

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There's a difference between being Uranian and being an Aqua (aka "Fixed Air").

Uranus shatters the status quo if it's gone stale.

"Fixed Air" is set in an idea(l) as long as it's based on thought.

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posted January 10, 2012 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for psytaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Libreo:
Doing some research, I'm getting a lot of "aquarius likes to play Devil's Advocate'. 2 questions, would you say that playing Devil's Advocate is similar to reverse psychology ( you want someone to think you have a certain stand that you don't actually have) and secondly, why do they do this? What is it they are wanting to achieve?

The part in italics - no. That's one the problems that I actually have when I interact with new people. I don't want to feel like I need to apologize for the way I think/act. I'm not saying/doing things just to shock/offend people. I don't like to make people believe that I have a certain opinion just to **** them off. It sounds tiresome to me.

And the answer:
I do it when I think someone might prove themselves open to new ideas/suggestions. I want to challenge them and I expect the same "treatment" in return. I want to see how they will "fight" for what they believe in and how much they know about a certain subject. Most of the times I learn new things myself as well. Although, if I sense things are getting too personal and feelings are all over the place, I back off. I don't want to hurt them if they are that invested over something that I'm obviously not.

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posted January 10, 2012 03:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah cakes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i agree with you fully psytaurus. are you a taurus sun? i'm aqua sun and mars w/ taurus moon.

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