posted January 12, 2012 01:10 PM            

So,if lower levels of consciousness are vague,once you've reached upper one,all is fine,clear understanding?

posted January 12, 2012 01:16 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
I look down on myself for even engaging in conversation with you if you must know how I really feel.

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posted January 12, 2012 01:52 PM            

Where one person may see degrees of experience, another may see absolutes. My suggestion is that neither is wrong, just experiencing a different path. In my experience, you are both correct. People have their own lives and often achieve a "capacity" for joy, pain, happiness, sorrow, etc.. based on their past experiences. I also believe however, that we are not our experiences but that which experiences. the joy that fills a 12 year old child when she receives a pony, is the same joy which fills a starving child when they are given food (regardless of the circumstances which surround both situations). This is one of the things (in my belief) which humanizes and unifies people beyond their circumstances. People's view of Joy (for example) is what makes it "sort of enjoyable" or "very enjoyable", but joy on its own is Joy, plain and simple. Humans live their entire lives judging and ranking things which are ultimately better when just experienced.

posted January 12, 2012 02:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
You both should take an IQ test. Whoever scores higher wins the "debate."

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LMAO!!!!!!!

posted January 12, 2012 02:26 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
In life there are no absolutes. Even with hot and cold, can you tell me where cold ends and heat begins? It the same with life. Nothing is absolutely one thing because it's impossible to eliminate the that from the fabric of life because life is one.

And in each persons experience, if they haven't experienced deep sadness and make the pendulum swing that far, they will also experience deep happiness because the pendulum will balance itself. If you want to take a scientific point of view. Go look at a pendulum swinging back and forth and see how it always balances itself.

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Heat is caused by friction, when there is no more friction, there is no more heat. That is what Absolute Zero is, the absence of friction. Absolute Hot (sometimes referred to as Ryan Reynolds) occurs when the particle energies become so big they "become one with everything" (for lack of a better description).

A pendulum does swing, but not without help from outside forces, hold a pendulum still and it will always return back to a still point in the center. Give it too much force and a pendulum spins in a circle. And that is just if you are talking about using a pendulum in a place with gravity.

posted January 12, 2012 02:33 PM            

This whole topic can be likened to physics, in a sense. For example, if you drop a feather and a bowling ball, the bowling ball falls faster than the feather.

Both the feather and the bowling ball are ruled by the same absolutes such as gravitational constant, distance from ground, etc. However, the bowling ball falls faster because of one reason: air resistance. Air resistance is not absolute, it's a variable.

If no air resistance is present, the rate of descent depends only on how far the object has fallen, no matter how heavy the object is. This means, in absence of other forces and dropped from the same height, that two objects will reach the ground at the same time if they are dropped simultaneously. This statement follows from the law of conservation of energy and has been demonstrated experimentally by dropping a feather and a lead ball in an airless tube. More explanation here: http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=485891

Anywho, two points:

1) Every action has an opposite and equal reaction.
2) The Universe is full of absolutes (such as the Earth's constant gravitational pull) and outside forces that are variable, like a huge asteroid hitting the Earth. The counteraction on Earth would be different on Mars because they each have their own individual absolutes. These same concepts can be applied to the human experience.

The end.

posted January 12, 2012 02:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
Heat is caused by friction, when there is no more friction, there is no more heat. That is what Absolute Zero is, the absence of friction. Absolute Hot (sometimes referred to as Ryan Reynolds) occurs when the particle energies become so big they "become one with everything" (for lack of a better description).

A pendulum does swing, but not without help from outside forces, hold a pendulum still and it will always return back to a still point in the center. Give it too much force and a pendulum spins in a circle. And that is just if you are talking about using a pendulum in a place with gravity.

I am not saying you are wrong, I actually agree with a lot of what you are saying. I just think insisting it is the only way things happen and other people's perceptions are wrong is shortsighted. A pendulum is either moving or not moving, and how, why, when, and where it moves is based on who is holding it.

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posted January 12, 2012 03:07 PM            

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Originally posted by ElizabethO:
Y'all always tickle my brain. I love discussions like this.

This whole topic can be likened to physics, in a sense. For example, if you drop a feather and a bowling ball, the bowling ball falls faster than the feather.

Both the feather and the bowling ball are ruled by the same absolutes such as gravitational constant, distance from ground, etc. However, the bowling ball falls faster because of one reason: air resistance. Air resistance is not absolute, it's a variable.

If no air resistance is present, the rate of descent depends only on how far the object has fallen, no matter how heavy the object is. This means, in absence of other forces and dropped from the same height, that two objects will reach the ground at the same time if they are dropped simultaneously. This statement follows from the law of conservation of energy and has been demonstrated experimentally by dropping a feather and a lead ball in an airless tube. More explanation here: http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=485891

Anywho, two points:

1) Every action has an opposite and equal reaction.
2) The Universe is full of absolutes (such as the Earth's constant gravitational pull) and outside forces that are variable, like a huge asteroid hitting the Earth. The counteraction on Earth would be different on Mars because they each have their own individual absolutes. These same concepts can be applied to the human experience.

The end.

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I am not speaking with the word 'absolute' in it's scientific definition form. I am using more of alchemy than modern science to understand life and there are 7 principles:

1. Principle of Mentalism- The universe is mental.
2. Principle of Correspondence -As Above, so Below, As Below, So Above.
3. Principle of Vibration - Nothing rests, everything moves.
4. Principle of Polarity -Everything is dual; everything has poles; everything has it's pair of opposites; like and unlike are the same; opposites are identical in nature, but different in degree; extremes meet; all truths are but half truths; all paradoxes may be reconciled.
5. Principle of Rhythm - Everything flows, out and in; everything has it's tides and all things rise and fall; the pendulum swing manifests in everything; the measure of the swing to the left is the measure of the swing to the right; rhythm compensates.
6. Principle of Cause and Effect - Every cause has it's effect; every effect has it's cause; everything happens according to law; Chance is but a name for law not recognized; there are many planes of causation. but nothing escapes the law.
7. Principle of Gender - Masculine and Feminine manifest on all planes.