posted January 17, 2012 04:34 AM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
Your sun is on the cusp, if your birth time is wrong then it could mean you're an aquarius. If you are indeed more of an aqua than a cap, that would mean only your mercury and venus are in cap, which are somewhat significant, but then you also have a planet in every other sign of the zodiac, excluding the outer planets which are generational. You have 3 planets in water, one in fire, two in air (if your sun is more aqua than cap) and moon conjunct pluto which accentuates your moon in scorpio. You also have three important planets in the 4th house. You probably feel less like a fire sign than any other element, and more of a combination of earth, air and water. Since the rising sign and sun are so important, that would mean you feel most like a combination of air and water (since this seems to be a strong influence in your chart), and only a little bit like a capricorn (your mercury and venus). Air/water people are very sweet and are often considered total sweethearts by others. Very tender and sentimental people with their heart on their sleeve. With your libra rising especially, this would be true of you. This makes you very different from the typical traits of capricorn.

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posted January 17, 2012 04:50 AM            

Yeah, the whole cusp thing annoys me too. And with the planets, fixed stars, nodes and other ‘points’ definitely they are either in one sign or the other….

But with what I mentioned in my previous post about the width of the Sun and the Moon themselves (from Earth) being half a degree …. Spanning 15 minutes on either side of their zodiacal position….that means that from a mathematical perspective it is possible for the tip of a luminary’s diameter to stick out past the dividing line between the signs…. As the zodiacal position of the Sun and Moon are both calculated from the centre of their diameter….

This means that from exactly 29’45 at the end of a sign, to exactly 00’15 at the beginning of a sign, it is possible mathematically for the Sun or the Moon to span two different signs…. However the centre point of the luminary is how they calculate exactly which sign the luminary is in….and this sign would be dominant as more then half of the luminary’s diameter would be in that sign… as well as the decan, and duad at the end or beginning of that sign…

So with the luminaries (the Sun and Moon) only I’d be willing to consider at least the possibility of a cusp influence…. But only after 29’45 of a sign, or before 00’15 of a sign…. The last 15 minutes of a sign and the first 15 minutes of a sign…. Other then this narrow margin, no way would I consider for there to be any possibility of a cusp influence….

posted January 17, 2012 05:43 AM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
Well, sun in aqua is not strong since it's in detriment. But you are loud? Hmm that is not something I was expecting from a water/air person. Water/air people are mostly focused on other people since they need OTHER people so very much, and usually have trouble with boundaries and with worrying too much about what other people think of them. Wearing your heart on your sleeve...what I meant by that is that it's difficult for you to hide your emotions and you are honest and dont play games with people. Your vulnerabilites would be obvious to everyone, too. But that doesnt mean you arent reserved or standoffish. Sensitive people usually are. But you would be pretty sentimental and sweet and just a very soft kind person who is also sensitive and easily hurt. Does that sound like you at all?

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posted January 17, 2012 05:51 AM            

“Maybe I think Im weird because that’s what everyone else tells me. I feel like I try to fit myself to what I think people might like. Im not sure if I pull it off outwardly though, because when they give me their opinion on me it’s usually the same across the board, that im weird or that I sound like a kid.”

Actually this sound like a pretty typical Aqua type theme…. Feeling like something of an oddball, and not fitting in…. and the trying to make yourself fit part sound like a combo of Capricorn (wanting to meet society’s standards), and Libra (wanting to get along with everybody)…

“I feel like im somewhat impressionable too. If someone wants to do a drug and they seemed persuasive enough I think id do it. When I get comfy with a person then they can get me to do a lot. Im not a rug though.”

Well, you do have Neptune sextile to the Moon which has an impressionable quality to it.

“Also I like attention, but who doesn’t? I wish I knew everything and could sing and act and dance and be great. I wanna be perfect, but only through natural means, then again perfect isn’t natural to begin with.”

One thing I notice when looking at your chart is your South Node is in Leo…. The South Node rules where we are coming form, the habit patterns that feel safe for us…. While the opposite… the North Node is where we need to go in order to achieve a balance in life and grow…

A Leo South Node often has a longing for attention, glory and excellence in life… and with your South Node in the 11th house, perhaps you crave attention from your peers….

With the North Node in the 5th house in Aquarius….it shows you can achieve balance and growth in your life by being creative, giving force in some way, and yet at the same time not investing too much or your ego in these things…. And cultivating a detached perspective on things…

“Greed. Jealousy. And wrath. Im mostly guilty of those. I do feel responsible of other peoples feelings. I feel bad putting others down or if other people do and i can tell someone is hurt i hate how their feelings seep into me. Unless its all in my head that i think i know how they feel haha “

This sound like your Scorpio Moon talking… Scorpio Moons are in touch with their feelings and are realistic about their darker tendencies, they are also highly sensitive and are able to tune into the ‘vibe’ of what is going on around them…. Especially your Moon as it is conjunct Pluto, and sextile Neptune…

“If I couldn’t’ be the best then I guess I’d be the worst because either way I’d stand out. So I go from one extreme to the other. I dabble in some things but I haven’t mastered one thing, so nothing really stands out as something im GOOD at. I can play some piano I used to try and draw those little anime things but I feel like I know 10 other people who did that. It’s the same story in every state. So that’s a no to Aquarius (who should be a water sign because of the water bearer its rep’d by, and the ‘aqua’ throw me off).”

Aquarius is an Air sign because Air is the element of intellect and Aquarius is most definitely a ‘thinker’ sign…. Funny, but a lot of what your saying sounds really Aqua-like to me….. Especially the part about wanting to stand out as distinctive whether it be in a good or bad way. But this could also tie into the Leo South Node needing attention…

“So whats yur mars and asc.? Actually whats yur chart like? And which cap qualitites do yu exemplify?”

I’m yeah, I’m a Leo Mars, Sagittarius Asc, Capricorn Sun, Cancer Moon… I have Venus in the 1st so I seem pretty easygoing and nice, but the Sag side of me is quite opinionated. I’d say I’m more reserved than outgoing…. Although I do have my moments. My Capricorn/Saturn side makes it impossible for me to shirk responsibilities…. I rarely get into any kind of trouble, and I do my duties…. I also strive for excellence on the job and try to always do my best. My Cancer Moon makes me especially sensitive, I tend to be kind and caring but will withdraw from signs of rejection. Generally, I’m level headed and won’t get too carried away with anything crazy or irresponsible, and I enjoy security and feeling safe. The fire in my chart makes me an idealist, and there is a side to me that is a dreamer and a romantic, plus my Mercury conjunct my Asc makes me extremely curious…. Hence my love of Astrology…

posted January 17, 2012 06:10 AM            

You have the planet Uranus square your Asc/Dsc axis, and Uranus is also conjunct your Ic, and opposite your Jupiter/Mc conjunction… all with in 2 degrees…

You say you are not Aqua like but some of your statements come off sounding very Aqua ish…. Like feeling people think your weird, or wanting too stand out in either a good or bad way…..also your writing style makes you seem kind of quirky, random, and analytical in how you express yourself…

I can definitely see how the above mentioned Uranus aspects (Uranus is ruler of Aqua) could produce such an effect on your personality…. Like every now and then you just think ‘to hell with it’ and do whatever you want despite what some may think….

posted January 17, 2012 06:43 AM            

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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
I do not believe in cusps, either.

You are either one sign or another. You cannot be two signs. Linda Goodman too was against the notion of cusps.

If one feels "cuspy", it's for other reasons. It's possible to actually be the other sign, to have other planets or points in the other sign, to be raised by/influenced by people of the other sign, or to simply be told about cusps and buy into it. I have known PLENTY of "cuspy" people who act NOTHING like the sign to which they are close to being. So, I don't believe in them, either, and they honestly kind of annoy me at times, but I don't want to be rude, so I will leave it at that.

I do agree, though, that your other planets and angles can influence you. Your sun will never be muted out entirely, but your other planets and angles will refine it a bit.

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posted January 17, 2012 12:57 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
and something else,astrology is intertwined with the seasons of nature and the months,think logically about it for just a minute,if you would,in nature theres always a transition,winter becomes spring ,it doesnt jump straight to summer,the days slowly get warmer and longer,and when summer changes to fall the days get slowly shorter and colder,in nature theres always a transition,and to me thats what a cusp is,ok hypothetical situation,lets say i was born in last minute of capricorn,so im automatically 100 percent capricorn,and first minute of aquarius so im 100 percent aquarius,it makes no sense! thats just my opinion though

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posted January 17, 2012 02:03 PM            

I’d only buy into the notion of cusps from 29’45 at the end of a sign, to 00’15 at the beginning of a sign, because of the fact that the Sun and Moon appear 30 minutes wide from Earth.

Also I do feel that astrology is precise…..especially where orbs are concerned. To me decans and duads are evidence that the zodiac position of a planet or point is specific…. Every 2 and ½ degrees the sub-influence of the Sign placement changes….

L0veLess,

posted January 17, 2012 03:29 PM            

I'm heavy Capricorn although I have only three planets: sun, mars and mercury. And my Cap is in the natural 10th House too, with Saturn as ruler.

Wish I could give away some Capricorn in favor of some more fun loving sign.

posted January 17, 2012 04:22 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
oh believe me cusps exist,my brother is born on the last degree of leo,and most of his personal planets are in leo but they were also on the cusp,he literally has no planets in virgo,but yet he is a total virgo,he is all about being practical and saving money,he is obsessed with being healthy,he tends to be reserved,and he has that legendary virgo criticism,he has some leo traits to be sure but that is to be expected since he has 5 planets in leo,all on the last couple degrees of leo,but he is a total viro,if cusps dont exist how do you explain that? haha sorry if i sound dogmatic,it just annoys me that 99 percent of astrologers deny cusps when i see them in people i know,you admitted capricorn doesnt match you and you were born on the last day,do you know your time of birth,perhaps the sun was already in aquarius,depending on the year,the sun can enter a new sign at different times,thats why the birthtime is so important

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posted January 18, 2012 03:37 AM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Being a Capricorn is not fun either. There is a lot of Saturn-like discipline and a lot of hard work and high ambitions that are hard to fulfill. So don't think that Capricorn is great.

I'm heavy Capricorn although I have only three planets: sun, mars and mercury. And my Cap is in the natural 10th House too, with Saturn as ruler.

Wish I could give away some Capricorn in favor of some more fun loving sign.

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Hmm yea reading about capricorn bores me! Although i cant relate on how yu feel burdened by work or whatever it's okay though, yu seem like an intelligent guy to me so hard work has gotten yu lots of places.

Lotis White: Oh yeeea that makes sense. Yu make sense :]