posted January 27, 2012 04:51 AM            

ima leo rising, pisces sun, taurus moon here..

can we do sabians or something?

posted January 27, 2012 06:03 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
its your past incarnation,and my opinion is that at certain times its still apart of your personality,i know i can feel my draconic at times,in my natal chart im an aquarius sun and ascendant and taurus moon,but my feelings can be hurt easily,and im quick to anger ,and can be extremely impatient,all these things arent explained by my natal,but my draconic fills in the missing pieces,in draconic i am an aries sun and ascendant and a cancer moon,and with my double aqua sun and ascendant and taurus moon this life im learning to stay calm and not let my emotions get the best of me,its just i have relapses sometimes

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This was very insightful! thank you for sharing this.

I am virgo sun with moon pisces and venus/mars in leo but my draconic has sun in cancer and moon capricorn and mercury, venus and mars in gemini....

personally I cant tell if draconic version of me are relapses (last incarnation) or if is something I am become more and more like..(higher self?).

posted January 27, 2012 07:54 AM            

And in that way it has part of the past as well as the present path.

Draconic planets which conjunct your tropical ones within about 2 (or 3) degrees, will have a significant impact on your present incarnation / lifepath (nodal horoscope!).

As a matter of fact, the opposing placements of the Draco planets, as given by astro.com, should be more indicative of the past life personality, as these opposing positions relate to a Draconic chart calculated by the SOUTH node, instead of the usual one which is being calculated with the North Node, and relates to the direction your evolving to.

posted January 27, 2012 01:16 PM            

(1)
Johnny Cash and June Carter.
Unfortunately her birthtime is unknown, so we are missing her ASC, MC, Vertex and MOon. still found these:

his Dr IC conjunct her Sun
his Dr MC conjunct her Saturn

her Dr Venus conjunct his ASC, Antivertex and NN
her Dr Saturn conjunct his MOon
her Dr Sun opposite his Moon

(2) Paul Mc Cartney - Linda Eastman
his Dr ASC Conjunct her Mars
his Dr Neptune conjunct her Mars

her DR ASC Conjunct his Venus
her DR Venus conjunct his Venus

(3) Paul Newman - Joanne Woodward

his Dr ASC and DR Venus conjunct her Neptune
his Dr Pluto conjunct her Moon

her Dr Mars conjunct his ASC, Venus, Jupiter
her Dr Venus and Dr Sun conjunct his Sun

(4) Richard Burton - Liz Taylor

his Dr Sun and Dr Saturn conjunct her Pluto
his Dr Venus conjunctz her Neptune and opposite her Sun

her Dr Neptune conjunct his Moon exact
her Dr Sun opposite his MOon
her Dr Moon conjunct his Sun and Saturn

(5) Robert BRowning - Elizabeth Barret Browning

his Dr Pluto conjunct her Moon
his Dr Moon conjunct her SAturn

her Dr Moon conjunct his Saturn
her Dr Sun opposite his Neptune

(6) Robert Downey Jr and his wife (her bt is unknown)

his Dr Pluto conjunct her SN and opposite her Venus
his Dr Vertex conjunct her Pluto
his Dr Saturn conjunct her NN

her Dr Jupiter conjunct his MC
her DR Sun conjunct his DESC

(their tropical synastry is pretty unremarkable btw)

(7) PIerre and Marie Curie

his Dr Venus conjunct her DESC exact
his dr Venus opposite her Sun and Saturn
his DR MC conjunct her Jupiter
his DR SAturn conjnct her MC and Node
his Dr Saturn oppospite her Moon

her Dr ASC And DR Saturn conjunct his Mars
her Dr Venus conjunct his Mars exact
her Dr Jupiter conjunct his DESC
her Dr Neptune conjunct his Moon

posted January 27, 2012 03:38 PM            

So I was checking for the Draconic aspects of my friend and her soulmate. She doesn`t recall any past lives with him, though she generally believes in and recalls past lives.
But nevertheless they have a very close soulbond, and the whole relationship so far has been very kathartic, healing and regenerating for her.

some key aspects are:

his Dr Sun conjunct her DESC
his Dr Uranus conjunct her DESC

her Dr Pluto conjunct his Mars
her Dr Neptune conjunct his Venus
her Dr Venus conjunct his Pluto

My parents who have been married for 38 years this year:

his DR ASC Conjunct her IC exact
his DR DESC conjunct her NN exact
his Dr Saturn conjunct her IC
his Dr Saturn conjunct her SN
his Dr Mars conjunct her Moon
his Dr Neptune conjunct her Saturn
his Dr Antivertex conjunct her Pluto
his Dr Moon opposite her Neptune

her Dr DESC conjunct his Sun
her Dr Venus conjunct his Mars exact
her Dr Venus conjunct his SN exact
her Dr Moon conjunct his Neptune
her Dr Saturn opposite his Moon

I also checked the synastry between my best friend and me, cause noone really understands how we can maintain our friendship for so long, as we are quite different in certain regards, but it feels like a true soul-friendship, and we aided each other in our respective growth (though it is not the same direction); I never expected this friendship to really last that long, but we have been friends for over 20 years now, and we are both absolutely certain that we will always be a part of each other`s life. WE also have never argued with each other in all these years, yet were of course discussing certain things constructively.

Anyway I never looked at our Draco`s before, but seriously, THAT surprised me nevertheless!

her Dr ASC conjunct my ASC exactly (orb is 0°03!)
her Dr ASC also conjuncts my Mars, Neptune and NN
her Dr Saturn conjuncts my Venus
her Dr Sun conjuncts my Moon
her Dr Moon opposes my Jupiter exactly

posted January 28, 2012 12:44 AM            

My draco sun conjuncts husband's natal moon exact

and

posted January 28, 2012 01:05 AM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
Some people here have said that it represents your past incarnation. I have read that it represents soulmates that will help you reach your higher self so people's whose natal aspect your draconic chart help you evolve to your higher self. I THINK I read too somewhere that is your subconscious or higher self.

So which one is it? or what do you think the draconic chart represents??

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posted January 28, 2012 08:22 AM            

those are two pretty complimentary conjunctions there. Def. significant stuff.

Wheneer he taps into his Moon, his emotional nature, your "soul-Sun" is being triggered. It is like he activates an energy, that you might not be compeltely conscious about it at all times, but that is a part of your soul nevertheless (I often seen in my own synastries that people see my Draco planets more clearly than I do myself. For example my friend always admired my independence, energy, straightforwardness and so on, which are qualities inherent of my Draco Sun in Aries. I myself would NEVER have described me that way, but through my interaction with her and seeing how she saw me, I discovered, that these qualities INDEED are a part of me).

In this way your husband might be drawn to you emotionally because of these qualities that are inherent in your soul and that you radiate on a subtle, but very real level, even though you might not always understand what he sees in you.

The Draconic placements always remind me of the saying: Become who you are.

posted January 28, 2012 08:32 AM            

the Draconic or nodal chart (I do not really like the term "Draconic" - there are no dragons in the Draco chart, even though of course I know that this refers to the ancient thought that the nodes represented the head and tail of a Dragon).

Anyway, so the Draconic chart is calculated with the use of the nodal axis in your natal chart, and thus could be termed the chart of your Nodes, and in this way symbolizes your spiritual path and direction in which you grow (which is characteristic for the nodal axis).

The lunar nodal axis itself is calculated using Sun and Moon, and has a definite lunar character; and since the Moon signifies our emotions, our roots and our "soul" (the emotional part of it at least), aspects to the Moon, the lunar nodes, the IC and to the Draco chart are reflective of soul-connections.

If we are really exact, we have to say that the Draco chart actually reflects the RELATION between SUN and MOON.
As this is what the nodal axis is about:
The nodes are the point when the Moon crosses the ecliptic (path of the Sun) as observed from earth.
So the nodes really is about how the Moon relates to the Sun.
And the Draco chart is simply a nodal chart, and is reflecting the same principle

posted January 28, 2012 08:38 AM            

You can compare Draco to Draco; this is esp. interesting for those who believe they indicate past lives (I do); and the pure Draconic aspects might highlight connections from the past life.

But to see if and what role you will play in each other`s life in the ongoing incarnation, you need to track the conjunctions of Draconic planets to tropical ones.
Something from the past and the soul (Draco planet) touches something in the current personality (tropical planet).

Oppositions from Draco planets seem to be more about the past life familiarity, while conjunctions from Draco planets seem to put more emphasis on the current and future path, the "fatedness" in the here and now. There is still resonance with hte past, but the emphasis is simply more strongly towards what you are meant to learn from each other or give each other NOW, and how it will contribute to your spiritual or personal development in this life.

EDIT 2:
Like the tropical chart begins with 00 Aries, the lunar nodes in the chart are being treated as if they were 00 Aries, to mark the starting point. This is the reason all other planets have to be moved about the exact degrees it takes for the Nodes to meet 00 Aries.

Every other nodal chart, Venus for example, would need to be projected onto 00 Aries as well.

But staying with the Draconic, the lunar nodes chart for a while.
My NN is on 10 Sagittarius, or 250°, to travel to 00 Aries, my Nn needs to move 110° forwards, so I have to move all my planets 110° forwards to get their Draconic placements.

posted January 29, 2012 05:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Oh one more thing.

You can compare Draco to Draco; this is esp. interesting for those who believe they indicate past lives (I do); and the pure Draconic aspects might highlight connections from the past life.

But to see if and what role you will play in each other`s life in the ongoing incarnation, you need to track the conjunctions of Draconic planets to tropical ones.
Something from the past and the soul (Draco planet) touches something in the current personality (tropical planet).

Oppositions from Draco planets seem to be more about the past life familiarity, while conjunctions from Draco planets seem to put more emphasis on the current and future path, the "fatedness" in the here and now.

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posted January 29, 2012 05:52 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

The Draconic placements always remind me of the saying: Become who you are.

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posted January 29, 2012 06:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Doreen,

the Draconic or nodal chart (I do not really like the term "Draconic" - there are no dragons in the Draco chart, even though of course I know that this refers to the ancient thought that the nodes represented the head and tail of a Dragon).

Anyway, so the Draconic chart is calculated with the use of the nodal axis in your natal chart, and thus could be termed the chart of your Nodes, and in this way symbolizes your spiritual path and direction in which you grow (which is characteristic for the nodal axis).

The lunar nodal axis itself is calculated using Sun and Moon, and has a definite lunar character; and since the Moon signifies our emotions, our roots and our "soul" (the emotional part of it at least), aspects to the Moon, the lunar nodes, the IC and to the Draco chart are reflective of soul-connections.

If we are really exact, we have to say that the Draco chart actually reflects the RELATION between SUN and MOON.
As this is what the nodal axis is about:
The nodes are the point when the Moon crosses the ecliptic (path of the Sun) as observed from earth.
So the nodes really is about how the Moon relates to the Sun.
And the Draco chart is simply a nodal chart, and is reflecting the same principle

The "solar chart" really is our normal tropical chart, the lunar chart then is the Draconics, but of course every other planet has nodes as well, so we could definitely calculate a Venusian chart by the use of the Venus-nodes.

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Wow great in depth explanation.

Would love to get a chart of my venus-nodes.

I feel like I now have a good idea of tropical versus nodal charts is like nodal chart complements the tropical bec is a tool to evolving spiritually to our higher self with the help of our soulmates hence why draco-tropical aspects are important.

my husband's draco vertex conjuncts my draco venus/mars/karma stellium.

so what would be the difference between heliocentric charts and nodal charts?

posted January 29, 2012 06:56 PM            

I had a karmic soulmate relationship with him in this life very intense....the most intense so far.

Draco to natal: his nodal mercury conjuncts my natal NN...and his nodal moon conjuncts my natal saturn...I guess we had emotional karma from our last incarnation that we were destined to meet in this life to work this karma out (my natal vertex conjuncts his natal NN and his nodal mercury conjuncts my natal NN).

posted January 29, 2012 07:13 PM            

My nodal juno conjuncts his nodal moon

His nodal vertex conjuncts my karma/venus/mars stellium.

His nodal vertex conjuncts my nodal mercury.

His nodal pluto conjuncts my nodal venus/mars/karma.

nodal to tropic:

His natal moon conjuncts exact my nodal sun

My natal juno conjuncts exact his nodal jupiter.

posted January 30, 2012 04:22 AM            

TROPICAL:
Earth
physical plane / manifestation level
body
present
consciousness

DRACO:
lunar / Moon
emotional plane
soul
past
sub-consciousness