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Betty Boop
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posted January 26, 2012 10:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So first he has a Taurus Venus:

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A person born with Venus in Taurus seeks relationships that endure the test of time, with endless patience and unwavering commitment they choose stable and comfortable investments rather than take a chance on a brief and unstable courtship.

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Venus in Taurus men want love to be there and won't settle for anything less. They want marriages, dedication and always seek loyalty.

And then he has a Taurus Mars....

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Although generally patient, their style is natural and physical, and intellectualizing the sex act would only serve to baffle Taurus.

.. To top it all off, he has a Leo Moon.....

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The Moon in Leo tends to produce a loving and very devoted parent, boss, or ruler, but it is important that leadership potential not be spoiled by the tendency towards being bossy, arrogance, and displaying an overbearing ego. Emotions are powerful with Moon in Leo, and the drive for prominence and power is very strong, as well.


So far it all sounds right up my alley! And so far it also suits my own personality in love, since I also have a Taurus Venus (and I'm a fire sign)..


BUT then....... there's his Sun in Gemini conjunct his Mercury in Gemini - and as we all know, those interpretations say:

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they tend to be fickle and inconsistent in their love relationships. The Gemini's affection is often true when it is displayed, but tomorrow is another day and their feelings can be very different from one day to another. Gemini natives hate to be united too closely with someone as long lasting relationships requires too much responsibility on their shoulders.

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posted January 26, 2012 10:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So what's a girl to do?

LOL


I've been into astrology for a long time. My gut feeling says he is more like Taurus in relationships.
Also, I have an Aries Sun sign - but I am nothing like Aries in romance.. I'm much more earthy like my Taurus Venus and Cappy Mars.
I wanted to hear more opinions on this though!
Do you guys think your Venus/Mars and possibly Moon have a stronger impact on your romantic personality?

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posted January 26, 2012 11:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm concerned because he doesn't only have his Sun in Gemini, but also Mercury!

I guess the equivalent of that would be me having Sun *and* Mars conjunct in Aries.

So I'm assuming he is still more Geminian than I am Aries-like.. if that makes sense?

I don't know why that creeps me out so much ^... but it does. To be fair though - he has not actually done anything yet to give me the impression that he would be fickle.

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posted January 26, 2012 11:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL, wow...but then again, not all gemini's are fickle

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posted January 26, 2012 11:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geminisquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aries and gemini's get along so well thou. I personally love aries.

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posted January 26, 2012 11:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
my aries sister is with a gemini

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posted January 26, 2012 11:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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wow...but then again, not all gemini's are fickle

Nicky you know... I'm aware of that on an intellectual level ^, but I'm still scared sh*t-less when it comes to actually getting involved with him. It's weird because usually I don't behave this way.
It's just that I'm very put off by the idea fickleness... It sends shivers down my spine. *Fingers crossed* he will not be one of those guys.

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my aries sister is with a gemini

Yes! Please do encourage me!!! loll And how is their relationship going?


Geminisquared - I'm glad you're saying that.. because I have a lot of Gemini friends (although I've never had a relationship with a Gemini)... But lately I've been reading a lot of negative things about the Aries girl & Gem guy match.. I probably shouldn't pay attention though!

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posted January 26, 2012 11:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i dont think he will be fickle with taurus mars and venus plus a leo moon

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I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate?

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posted January 26, 2012 11:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's funny how it actually feels so good to read someone saying that, Nicky!

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posted January 26, 2012 11:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i have a leo moon, and all of my attention goes to my partner

if you decide to engage with him, expect him to look at other women but dont let it worry you because all of his attention (and he does have a lot of it) will still be focused on you

its just with the leo moon, he loves to look at beauty (i'm a woman and i still like to look at beautiful women but in a totally non gay way)

i dont know my sisters bf's placements, but i know he isnt exactly loyal...there has often been a rumor of him fathering other kids (which have been proven wrong) and she knows about them, although chooses to stay with him for the sake of their kids

dont let that discourage you though, i think this gemini of yours is a really good man

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I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate?

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posted January 26, 2012 11:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
does he have more fixed planets than mutable planets?

(and btw, my sister and her bf can stand to be with each other, so thats at least a plus, lol)

also, i think his unloyalty is because of his background...the area that hes from, everyone is like that...so again, dont let this discourage you

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I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate?

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posted January 26, 2012 11:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
please be sure to refresh the page if you dont see my edits right away, LOL

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I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate?

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posted January 26, 2012 11:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since he has a mercury in gem he might have tendencies to lie and twist truths.

At least it's not a venus in gem lol. Though personally I wouldn't mind a gem sun too much, just the other placements that get me wary too.
So yeah, might not necesarily cheat on you, but there is a big chance of not being the most honest of people at times. And I'm all for honesty, so I probably would mind alot.

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posted January 26, 2012 11:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
mars/venus could square the leo moon tho..

i am only familiar with the moon square venus in my chart.

i'm seeing an aries too but i haven't checked placements at all.

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posted January 26, 2012 11:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
how tight is the moon square mars? Does he have some issues with being temperamental at times and easily blows up?

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posted January 27, 2012 12:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interestingly enough, the men that have lied to me the most all happened to be Aries men. With strong Aries in their charts.

I wouldn't call a Gem a liar. Post the natal, even if you don't have birth time.

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posted January 27, 2012 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
So what's a girl to do?

LOL


I've been into astrology for a long time. My gut feeling says he is more like Taurus in relationships.
Also, I have an Aries Sun sign - but I am nothing like Aries in romance.. I'm much more earthy like my Taurus Venus and Cappy Mars.
I wanted to hear more opinions on this though!
Do you guys think your Venus/Mars and possibly Moon have a stronger impact on your romantic personality?


Can you post his chart please?

Gemini to me are rather similar to pisces and libra, as all three are restless, procrastinating and indecisive. Gemini are notorious for sitting on the fence and not making decisions, espec if they can get someone else to do it for them..

Basic astrology forum, How to approach Synastry http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000667.html

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posted January 27, 2012 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
I'm concerned because he doesn't only have his Sun in Gemini, but also Mercury!

I guess the equivalent of that would be me having Sun *and* Mars conjunct in Aries.

So I'm assuming he is still more Geminian than I am Aries-like.. if that makes sense?

I don't know why that creeps me out so much ^... but it does. To be fair though - he has not actually done anything yet to give me the impression that he would be fickle.



Another problem with gemini is that that *HATE* having to do a deep and meaningful conversations... they prefer to keep things light, superficial and chatty, they have the attention span of a knatt and can be terrible flirts....

Taurus is highly sexed (joint 2nd placed with aries) after scorpio. Taurus is hugely romantic, affectionate and demonstrative, but fixed/stubbon, doesn't like changes.Can be very placid, laid back and touch lazy at times...


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posted January 27, 2012 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh Crap! I just lost my post............. grrrrrrrrrrr

I was saying thank you all!

Nicky - I don't normally get possessive/jealous so if it is just harmless flirting or looking at other girls I really don't mind. I'm pretty mutable myself.
But I don't like indecisiveness... I like guys who basically know what they want. So far he is into me and he has been forward about liking me. If he decides to change his mind or play games.. or if he is not consistent - that will make me reject him. He is pretty fixed (5 fixed/4 mutable/1 cardinal).
I'm a lot more cardinal than him but I also have 4 mutable planets!

sand - Can you find out if the Aries girl has a Taurus Venus?

littlecloud - I've had the same experience with Aries-influenced men. My ex had Aries Ven/Merc conj and he was a huge liar.

SaggiMC & Mint - Here is his chart:

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posted January 27, 2012 05:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saggi MC -

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Can be very placid, laid back and touch lazy at times...

I've complained about Taurus Mars men being lazy before... I've often attracted guys with their Mars very early in Taurus conjunct my Venus!

But this guy has his Taurus Mars in the Virgo decanate and trine Saturn in Virgo... I'm actually impressed that he is not a slob LOL He's also the first Taurus Mars guy I've met who does not strike me as self-centred and 'lazy'.

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posted January 27, 2012 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yep, you forgot to mention Venus is apex for a 'boomerang' YOD configuration...

Scorpio Asc and ruler in 12th shows someone who needs lots of privacy and time alone, poss quite secretive

Moon apex for common T square, moon square uranus is on my list of divorce aspects. leo moon wants a 'trophy bride' type, someone who looks the part and that *other people* would admire and poss be bit jealous...

With sun, mercury in8th house naturally ruled by scorpio will deepen his expressions and thought processes, reinforcing the big scorpio traits.

Moon square mars shows a bossy mother and emotional assertive nature. Again Uranus opp venus is another divorce aspects..

next, lets break down the Yod, I love yods and quincunx and spent a lot time on last merc retro researching them...

Venus quincunx neptune
“sensitive, imaginative and inspired, however, you experience great stress in using these abilities. You attempt to use your talents all at once, as if you had a deadline to meet and were afraid of failing. Do not be in such a hurry. Learn to make compromises with your desires to avoid physical exhaustion. Your professional life can be oppressive if you allow others to take advantage of your desire to gain approval/praise. Do not try to be liked by everyone. Being well thought of does not relieve your burdens and can frustrate your need to express your creative potentials.”
From the book ‘Aspects and Personality’ by Karen Hamaker-Zondag

Venus Quincunx Neptune
“You are suffering at times because you are attracted to inaccurate perceptions of others. This is based on incorrect appraisals of who you are and where you are going. You approach the unachievable with naive confidence, then get confused when you aren't able to be complete with your various projects. This creates an environment where others find you unapproachable and difficult to know. As you show genuine self-acceptance (including your limitations) your range of love expression increases.” http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/quincunxinterpretations.html

Venus Quincunx Pluto
“Fear of disappointment and fear of others is the mechanism for keeping your love nature on a roller coaster. They are rooted in your lack of good boundaries and lack of positive self esteem. You are easily pulled into overly burdensome roles in other people's lives because you feel it is your lot in life. Further, your unconscious compulsiveness first ritualizes then continuously repeats self defeating and denying reactions to others. Careful examination of your routines and feelings about yourself are necessary to free your love to develop and grow. This creates a deep, inner healing” http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/q...retations.html

“You may overburden yourself by giving to excess in your emotional relationships. You need to be more moderate in your contacts with others. There is always an element of stress associated with your feelings for the opposite sex. You tend to fall for the sob story and find yourself making commitments to people who do not mean that much to you. In your romantic, you may be misled into believing in the profuse affection shown by your current love interest. You are likely to be disappointed in the end. You are susceptible to such alliances, and you can suffer enormous problems”
From the book ‘Aspects and Personality’ by Karen Hamaker-Zondag

Info on Yod’s http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/TheYod15.5.htm http://asphodelea.com/yods.html http://www.drstandley.com/astrologycharts_yod.shtml http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yod_(astrology) http://realastrologers.com/?p=331 http://medicalastrologybyeileennauma...t-and-yod.html http://thezodiac.com/yod.htm http://medicalastrologybyeileennauman.blogspot.com/2009/03/inconjunct-aspect-and-yod.html http://aliceportman.com/?p=452
boomerang Yod http://www.lunarliving.org/astrology/yod_boomerang.shtml http://www.therealastrology.com/home/faq/aspect-patterns.html

Sometimes these quincunxs (aka Inconjuncts 150’) are obvious and recognised in personality, other times it can take a lot of self examination to identify with the planets energies and of course they (like all aspects) don't operate 100% of the time, they are simply a facet of your personality. Some say they cause health issues that are unresolved, underlying, dormant waiting to be triggered.... some say you stay at one end, to the detriment of the other, OR end up see-sawing between the two until you learn balance, integration of two unlikely pairings.

Next look at the signs, then houses and then aspects. Now the *others aspects* from these quincunxs/Yods as they can act like escape routes, that can help or hinder the expressions. A chart with lots of Yods (Finger of God) will always be *searching* for the divine answers to the meaning of life, to find synthesis
What tends to happen with quincunxs is that with progessions and transits will create temporary Yods aka 'Finger of god' configurations. Like with common TSquares, they create a temp Grand Square...

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posted January 27, 2012 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is how I've noticed his chart plays out...
His Sun square Saturn is a biggie.. Sometimes he criticises himself too much. But I can understand this having a Capricorn Moon and Sun trine Saturn! He really wants to be responsible and Saturnian in his career, but he doesn't always get there. That being said - he has achieved some interesting things that I'm pretty impressed by, and that required time and commitment - so I guess that shows he is stable in some areas at least!

He is definitely hyperactive mentally - talks fast - chit chats etc... But I have Merc square Uranus in mutable signs so I'm similar in some ways. I like the fact that he is very mentally alert.

He also has Venus opp Uranus which I've been reading interpretations for.. but they don't really suit him.
I can see him falling in love with a friend.. I can see him having an unconventional relationship (FWB or long distance or something else)... But he really doesn't seem to shun romantic relationships. He is not adverse to the idea.
Some interpretations say that Uranus will cause havoc and the person will never be able to have a relationship. It's not true for him! His longest relationship has been 5 years.. which is twice as long as MY longest. He is 32 and I'm 25.
My Venus is in the 11th house in Taurus and opp my Pluto... I don't think we're all that different in terms of what we want in a relationship. Or I *hope* we're not anyhow lollll

I'm not sure how to interpret his Mars conj Chiron... I have Mars conj Neptune - I'm wondering if it is similar in some ways?

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posted January 27, 2012 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saggy - I was typing my post and didn't see yours... Reading now!

Thank you for all the info

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posted January 27, 2012 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Saggi MC -

I've complained about Taurus Mars men being lazy before... I've often attracted guys with their Mars very early in Taurus conjunct my Venus!

But this guy has his Taurus Mars in the Virgo decanate and trine Saturn in Virgo... I'm actually impressed that he is not a slob LOL He's also the first Taurus Mars guy I've met who does not strike me as self-centred and 'lazy'.


Yep, BUT you seem to be ignoring the 'elephant in the room' he has chiron conj mars in 7th. This suggests wounds within relationships. he prob would be good at giving friends relationships advices but not good at taking his own advice...

"Chiron in Libra or the Seventh House: This placement indicates some kind of wounding or rejection related to relationships. Because this person is sensitized to the emotions and reactions of others, they may be quite sensitive and even psychic. They definitely need to learn grounding principles, and need to demark strong boundaries between themselves and their loved ones to prevent or stop a cycle of codependency or abuse. Unfortunately, they tend to define themselves through others, through those they relate to, and they are often disappointed when others do not rise to their expectations. They may find art and past-life therapy to be helpful in their personal and spiritual growth." http://www.aquarianage.org/west/planets/ch-nat01.html

"Chiron in the 7th house: This one might spend all of their time taking care of a partner who has some debility. It is also someone who gives great advise on marriage, while their own marriage is on the rocks (or they might not even be married). This can work for business partnerships as well. You can take great care of a partner and teach them how to do the business better than you ever could. Watch out that they don't dump you as soon as they learn all that they can from you." http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/chiron21.5.html

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posted January 27, 2012 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh wow Saggy! That is so interesting because I forgot to take into account the minor aspects - the quincunx-es!
I actually have Venus opposite Pluto and Venus trine Neptune. Would this be a factor of compatibility?
I don't have Venus in aspect to Uranus though, but as I said my Venus is in the 11th house (which is still kind of Uranian).

The Mars/Chiron scares me a little.. because he is such a nice guy and I don't want him to get hurt by me or by other people.. I do get the feeling that he was hurt in a past relationship, something he hasn't told me about yet. I really hope he can overcome that though - whatever he has been through. I'm sure I will uncover it eventually! My Pisces Merc/Jupiter are on his SN.. and I think he is pretty comfortable opening up to me.

How else would you interpret Mars/Chiron?
I know a guy who has Mercury conjunct Chiron and his sister died tragically when she was young.. I know that Merc rules siblings... so could Chiron conj a planet mean that a person in your life who represents that planet might die?

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