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Topic: Pluto's Charisma
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alaz7200
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posted January 30, 2012 01:03 PM
  
Pluto is very often associated with Charisma. By diction, Charisma is:" a special magnetic charm or appeal" "a spiritual power or personal quality that gives an individual influence or authority over large numbers of people"
Do you or people you know have strong Plutos? What aspect do you feel this "Charisma" most potently shows itself?
Personally, I can attest to being captivated by many a Moon-Pluto folk in my life. I've also been taken by Sun-Pluto and Venus-Pluto. There's something so special about these people. What are your experiences?! IP: Logged |
NickiG
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posted January 30, 2012 01:07 PM
i'm a strong plutonian...but i couldnt tell you the effect i have on other people...they'll have to tell you themselves------------------
I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate? when organic is used to describe food then you know we have come to a dark age in history IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted January 30, 2012 01:36 PM
So they say.
I'm not sure I buy into it. I would say it's just 1 factor, of many, that could manifest in charisma. Fire signs to me are v.charismatic, Mars/Neptune, Neptune in general, Marilyn Monroe had Neptune in Leo at ASC so she had Fire and Neptune combined there. Here's a charismatic lady, http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Winfrey,_Oprah
She has Pluto in Leo (omg look at me and how great I am gen) in the 8th trine Sagittarius ASC, in hard aspect to Mars/Mercury.
The dispositor of her Pluto is her Aquarius Sun which is partile conj Venus in the 2nd. That Venus also rules her MC.
Jupiter the Asc ruler is involved in an Air Grand Trine with Mercury and Neptune; they're all falling in the career houses.
Neptune angular at the MC.
Sagittarius Moon in the 11th, no hard aspects.
Altho the time is on the half hour so its accuracy is debatable but it looks good to me ruler-wise. IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted January 30, 2012 01:47 PM
Charismatic- gifted from gods.So,we could say other-worldly qualities,inexplicable appeal (this is very important,'Dunno why,but I am so attracted by them',moth to the light kind of deal),in any way,closely connected to certain personality,and therefore unique,original. Plutonians are not like that. For single person they attract,they repel 7. Not everybody loves danger,soul-baring,intensity and well,animalism  And everybody loves charismatic persona. Cuz gods love them For charisma,begin with Sun! IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted January 30, 2012 01:50 PM
^ I would tend to agree, a Fire body.
Pluto repels so much (!)IP: Logged |
tautomer4314
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posted January 30, 2012 01:52 PM
My pluto is pretty strong. It's in my first house conjunct my scorpio moon. Mars also trines my pluto with only 1 orb. I also have an 8th house stellium that enhances the overall plutonian energy. As I am learning more about my pluto I am finding that I have an on-off switch for it, but no volume knob (I'm working on constructing a volume knob with some success garnered so far). With the right edge I can be very charismatic and win people over very quickly. I sort of just "see" what I need to do to make a presence, and do my best to apply it. It's tricky at times though, and if I overcompensate or let my ego get the better of me then I come across wrong. In the end though, I am not easily forgotten and I leave a mark pretty much anywhere I go, for good or bad (but it's usually good). The most often response I get is that I am just bizzare, but not in an overt way. ------------------
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Lonake
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posted January 30, 2012 01:54 PM
The other annoying thing with having strong Pluto, whether people love you or hate you they all think they have you figured out, that you're never gonna change.How do we get away from this, lol. IP: Logged |
JohnFKennedy
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posted January 30, 2012 01:54 PM
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Charismatic- gifted from gods.So,we could say other-worldly qualities,inexplicable appeal (this is very important,'Dunno why,but I am so attracted by them',moth to the light kind of deal),in any way,closely connected to certain personality,and therefore unique,original. Plutonians are not like that. For single person they attract,they repel 7. Not everybody loves danger,soul-baring,intensity and well,animalism And everybody loves charismatic persona. Cuz gods love them For charisma,begin with Sun!
100% agreed, as always. The most captivating, charming people I've ever met always had prominent Leo, Sagittarius, or Libra. I've been told I'm pretty charismatic, but I think it's a mix of the Aquarian/Aries in me. IP: Logged |
NickiG
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posted January 30, 2012 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
The other annoying thing with having strong Pluto, whether people love you or hate you they all think they have you figured out, that you're never gonna change.How do we get away from this, lol.
LOL, good question ------------------
I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate? when organic is used to describe food then you know we have come to a dark age in history IP: Logged |
tautomer4314
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posted January 30, 2012 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by NickiG:
LOL, good question
Oh that's easy peasy lemon squeezy. Prove em wrong  .
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VenusDiSirius
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posted January 30, 2012 02:06 PM
Hahaha,not even a Plutonian can figure out another Plutonian in entirety,yet alone mere mortals... IP: Logged |
vickymadness
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posted January 30, 2012 02:06 PM
I think the sun and 1st house - ascendant has something to do with the charisma ...IP: Logged |
NickiG
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posted January 30, 2012 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by tautomer4314:
Oh that's easy peasy lemon squeezy. Prove em wrong .
i do that every day by going to work....but momma still says i could never hold a job ------------------
I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate? when organic is used to describe food then you know we have come to a dark age in history IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted January 30, 2012 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by NickiG:
i do that every day by going to work....but momma still says i could never hold a job
Bosses run away eventually
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NickiG
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posted January 30, 2012 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Bosses run away eventually
huh?? ------------------
I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate? when organic is used to describe food then you know we have come to a dark age in history IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted January 30, 2012 02:21 PM
A joke... Not a good one,obviously. You couldn't hold the job because your persona is so Pluto,and bosses run away,in the end along with the work. That's why you can't hold it. Shame on you,you made me explain the joke IP: Logged |
Chironrising
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posted January 30, 2012 02:23 PM
My pluto is trine mars 0 degrees...sextile sun 0 degrees...sextile neptune a few off....and it makes hard aspect to chiron.....I have it in the sixth/5th house....and it aspects some asteroids too...mars is conjunct kaali....and achillies... You could say that warrior types find me charismatic....martian energy is bob dylan like....I'm instantly recognized for my soulful expression and I am usually the guy who can talk to anyone....most guys tell me I'm charismatic, smooth talking, and should do sales....I was told by a group of sales people from all over the country - when i was a van driver = that if I did sales, I'd be a millionaire... That being said, I feel the kundalini rising...and as time goes by my power of charisma, which was nonexistent before, increases....as I l earn body language and how to command without speaking, but the kicker is pluto will have you use this for teh benefit of the all or suffer great falls....for ressurection... that's my opinions and observations....otherwise i resonate strongly, before i even knew astrology with the screaming pheonix..... IP: Logged |
NickiG
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posted January 30, 2012 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
A joke... Not a good one,obviously. You couldn't hold the job because your persona is so Pluto,and bosses run away,in the end along with the work. That's why you can't hold it. Shame on you,you made me explain the joke
oh, LOL, i see now but its been nearly a year, and i still have my same first job ------------------
I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate? when organic is used to describe food then you know we have come to a dark age in history IP: Logged |
Chironrising
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posted January 30, 2012 02:28 PM
Also....I have intense plutonian forces that must be contained and once I learned grounded I found that what caused me to be annoyed was my need for energy which came from pluto...after i figured out what this force was in me and seperated it....I refined it and now the plutonian force is used for leg grounding...so when I'm annoyed....I don't hide it you'll see me grounding the energy and then all of a sudden i'm not annoyed and i feel like i could tear through the walls... so if i want to work out all i have to do is talk to someone who annoys me and it' slike drinking ten cups of coffee...but it requires breathing power, and if you smoke cigarettes you lose the plutonian force. IP: Logged |
sand
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posted January 30, 2012 03:36 PM
"Pluto in a synastry is about "power", specifically the power one person has over another. The conjunction indicates a combination of energies. One person's Pluto conjuncting ANYTHING in a synastry chart will indicate that this person "overpowers" the other person in some way."i have a 0 degree ascendant so i've been told alot would have their pluto on my ascendant in scorpio. i dunno if that means they will overpower me tho. i have pluto exact on ascendant too. quote:
Pluto conjunct Pluto
As Pluto remains in one sign anywhere from 12 to 31 years, all those born within several years of each other have this aspect between their charts. This conjunction therefore has generational rather than personal relationship significance. It shows obsessions, compulsions and intense drives; transformative, death/rebirth and purging issues confronted in some way by an entire generation.
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posted January 30, 2012 06:37 PM
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Chironrising
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posted January 30, 2012 06:40 PM
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Lonake
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posted January 31, 2012 05:29 AM
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Originally posted by NickiG:
but its been nearly a year, and i still have my same first job
Maddening..
are they trying to make us crazy lol.
so that we're under their thumb,
i get that feeling sometimes.....IP: Logged |
ladyvi
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posted January 31, 2012 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by NickiG:
i do that every day by going to work....but momma still says i could never hold a job
I feel you on that one! Only my dad is the one doubting me.
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Chironrising
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posted January 31, 2012 03:23 PM
Personally I think Charm comes from hypnotizing someone...and if that's the case then it's the asteroid hypnos....of course there are a million ways and places to be charming...we can't simply say it's the first house because there are millions of people with first house placements that are anything but charming...It depends what we view as charming too, as for a majority of youth at a time though marilyn manson was charming...so here we are again full circle...we can't make blanket statements about one planet or aspect. IP: Logged |
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