posted February 06, 2012 07:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Amelia28:
adds a sexual spiritual tone to it as well

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LOLOL

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Originally posted by Amelia28:
My
best sexual relationships have been with guys that I
consider real good friends of mine (my ex and my aqua
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RAS,you didn't say you were acknowledging their attractiveness,you said you noticed raw magnetism. Those things must be felt,so situation did present itself with depth. Had that happened to me,I'd ask myself whether it means something. Then again,maybe it's just me,not liking being in dark/fog

posted February 06, 2012 10:38 AM            

Are you honestly trying to make a point, or are you just wreaking some havoc?

posted February 06, 2012 11:44 AM            

And,it is funny,since sexual is of material kind,and spiritual of an abstract,and connecting those two is oximoronic. And not just that,but subliming sexual up to a spiritual level (and subliming is a defense mechanism ) is also intriguing

posted February 06, 2012 01:48 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
No,not trolling,(I think I am here long enough to see that I am ok) just I was intrigued by your description,and trying to get to bottom of it... And even more intrigued by your reaction! But,since it bothers you,I will stop

And,it is funny,since sexual is of material kind,and spiritual of an abstract,and connecting those two is oximoronic. And not just that,but subliming sexual up to a spiritual level (and subliming is a defense mechanism ) is also intriguing

edit- btw,saying 'why you here' is rude.

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Last night I spent a while writing up a long winded reply about how the point we were both trying to make was actually what was being misunderstood. When I was finished I erased it for two reasons.

1.) It is apparent RAS doesn't want to, or is not prepared to focus on the part of Pluto we are attempting to shine light on.

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2.) This post is essentially a, "Does else anyone get weirded out when Pluto rears its head around people of the same sex?" thread. RAS is not asking for help with understanding what Pluto is teaching her, she appears to simply be expressing her discomfort with its energy.

posted February 06, 2012 02:01 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:

I am not judging you,but this is not right. You know how hard it is to remain friends after a love relationship? One may feel it isn't as good/fulfilling? Same things goes when you make a love relationship out of a friendship. Those two are equally sacred sentiments,and mixing them like this is just wrong.

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How you can have sex or marry someone you are not good friends with?? most people marry who they consider their best friends with. I mean seriously! how can you not know this?

and yes pluto does have to do with sex and bonding and transformation bc it rules the 8th house....just do some research on pluto. This is common knowledge. Pluto makes sex a vehicle to transcend and transform is why orgasm is called the little death and pluto rules death and sex.

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“Perfect love casts out fear. Where there is love there are no demands, no expectations, no dependency. I do not demand that you make me happy; my happiness does not lie in you. If you were to leave me, I will not feel sorry for myself; I enjoy your company immensely, but I do not cling.” -Anthony de Mello

“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”

posted February 06, 2012 02:11 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
No,not trolling,(I think I am here long enough to see that I am ok) just I was intrigued by your description,and trying to get to bottom of it... And even more intrigued by your reaction! But,since it bothers you,I will stop

And,it is funny,since sexual is of material kind,and spiritual of an abstract,and connecting those two is oximoronic. And not just that,but subliming sexual up to a spiritual level (and subliming is a defense mechanism ) is also intriguing

edit- btw,saying 'why you here' is rude.

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Its not oximoronic...Your opinion is one opinion, get off your high horse. I have had meaningless sex several times in my life unfortunately and I have had with two different people sex that feels spiritual and touches the depth of your soul and transforms you. Just bc you havent had the chance to experience this yet in your life doesn't mean its ridiculous and doesn't exist.

posted February 06, 2012 02:37 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
Imo that composite very much shows a soulmate relationship.

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this composite is of someone I dated briefly I did feel really good emotionally with him, I remember it felt super nice hugging him like a breath of fresh air and there was that emotional and physical magnetism but we met when my love life was already complicated enough so I wasn't really able to let go with him and see were it went but I was looking at our composite the other day and I was like dam* maybe I should have given him more of a shot but reallly the timing waaas sooo bad.

Thanks for sharing with me your friendship stories. It sucks when a nice friendship ends. I am thinking that ours probably ended bc of insecurities like you mention now that I think of it but I take friendships really seriously so it stung and havent gotten super close to a girl after this friendship. I have pluto and saturn conjunct in the 11th and she has an empty 11th house so I feel that was the problem, my saturn in the 11th thought we really were going to be friends forever but she takes things more lightly I guess. I am probably the friend she has had for the longest so that love stellium did help a lot inspite of her empty 11th house.

posted February 06, 2012 03:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Amelia28:
How you can have sex or marry someone you are not good friends with?? most people marry who they consider their best friends with. I mean seriously! how can you not know this?

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Saying that love (and love relationship) entails friendship : somebody being good to you,sincere,caring about your well being,etc- that's all ok. But,somebody becoming your best friend by being a lover/partner,that's another matter. Love and friendship demand different parts of our being,they manifest differently,we react differently to both of these forces. I know so many people want love,and love only,even reading here,we are so obsessed by love issues,not once I saw somebody pining because friendship ended. Apparently,friendship is notch below love,not as important,since love can easily substitute it... So,no,I don't sleep with my friends.

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and yes pluto does have to do with sex and bonding and transformation bc it rules the 8th house....just do some research on pluto. This is common knowledge. Pluto makes sex a vehicle to transcend and transform is why orgasm is called the little death and pluto rules death and sex.

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I wasn't questioning Pluto's symbolism. Sex is a vehicle to life(very material),why do you ignore its purpose,why do you choose different name? See,subliming!

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I have had meaningless sex several times in my life unfortunately and I have had with two different people sex that feels spiritual and touches the depth of your soul and transforms you. Just bc you havent had the chance to experience this yet in your life doesn't mean its ridiculous and doesn't exist.

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And saying to me that I haven't experienced something you have no way knowing is not riding a high horse? Because any other experience is meaningless,since it doesn't concur with yours? That's arrogant.

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and the fact that you have insulted me twice in this thread and I haven't tells me that the one who is using defense mechanism is you not me bc when people lose control something is happening underneath it all.

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It is still yours to get offended,isn't it? So,why do you get offended? You can see my words how you please,to take them out of context,and ultimately if you can't retort,you choose to get offended. Why? If your belief system is that strong,and you are confident about your opinions,how anything I say can get to you in order to get offended? See,I don't care whether you find my astro-knowledge below common.

posted February 06, 2012 08:21 PM            

I havent ignored the purpose of sex or choose a different name for it and people have cried bc non sexual friendships have ended btw.

I respect that you don't sleep with friends but some relationships start sexual and turn to friendship and vice versa! Life is full of possibilities and there isn't just one way for a friendship to develop.

posted February 06, 2012 09:33 PM            

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RAS is not asking for help with understanding what Pluto is teaching her, she appears to simply be expressing her discomfort with its energy.

I thought it best to just stop pushing the uncomfortable topic.

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VenusDiSirius, note the above. It's very true. But, pluto isn't trying to teach me that I am a lesbian. Which is what you seem to be trying to push. Pluto is trying to show me that connections that touch your soul are so powerful that they even cause a sexual attraction.

Have you ever read the bible, VenusDisSirius? It very clearly describes how a connection of two souls is so profound it leads naturally to a sexual attraction.

For those of us, who don't see sex as just a superficial thing, we understand that in order to want to be intimate with someone there has to be a certain connection there that shows a deep comfort and chemistry between two people. That's why the decline of sex in a relationship always means something much deeper, aka the decline of the relationship in general. And if you no longer even feel attracted to your partner, than that shows a big decline in the love you used to share.

posted February 06, 2012 10:21 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
..Pluto isn't trying to teach me that I am a lesbian. Which is what you seem to be trying to push. Pluto is trying to show me that connections that touch your soul are so powerful that they even cause a sexual attraction.

Have you ever read the bible, VenusDisSirius? It very clearly describes how a connection of two souls is so profound it leads naturally to a sexual attraction.

For those of us, who don't see sex as just a superficial thing, we understand that in order to want to be intimate with someone there has to be a certain connection there that shows a deep comfort and chemistry between two people. That's why the decline of sex in a relationship always means something much deeper, aka the decline of the relationship in general. And if you no longer even feel attracted to your partner, than that shows a big decline in the love you used to share.

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Wow great analysis! Love it.

posted February 07, 2012 05:32 AM            

But in our synastry though we have some nice aspects like sun trine venus and sun trine moon, we have a bunch of terrible ones like mars, venus, and sun square saturn and neptune. Sun, moon, and mercury square mercury.

posted February 07, 2012 05:55 AM            

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Oh, I forgot there was something I wanted to say about the composite. Well, it really is a great chart, I mean you have the love stellium with venus and sun conjunct pluto and all sextile neptune and jupiter. That's lovely. But I've found that really bad synastry can really mess things up sometimes. Like I have an aries friend who I have a tight stellium of Sun, venus, mars, and moon with. And all the other aspects are great in the composite (except there is no neptune and no pluto, and I think no jupiter either)

But in our synastry though we have some nice aspects like sun trine venus and sun trine moon, we have a bunch of terrible ones like mars, venus, and sun square saturn and neptune. Sun, moon, and mercury square mercury.

As a result we seem to be in a kind of a push pull thing with each other where both of us is undecided about how much we like the other. I see the way he treats me and looks at me. He is super super kind to me and treats me like a princess and a gentleman with his hugs and just the general things he does for me. There is lots of love there, but it will probably never get to where we like each other a lot bc of that terrible synastry, unfortunately.

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posted February 07, 2012 07:13 AM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
I am beginning to realize that synastry is really important more so than I thought and composite just tells me if the relationship will be significant, impacting and lasting if the synastry already has been determined to be nice or great.

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posted February 07, 2012 09:55 AM            

I think it was Betty Boop who made a great point once. She said that the composite seems to show how we FEEL about someone, whereas the synastry shows the reality of your interaction with each other. The composite could be great and that means you will really appreciate this person, but in reality the synastry could be bad and that means you guys argue or your energy doesnt mesh too well generally. It's like the composite makes you feel the potential and the synastry brings you back to reality. Either way, you wont feel all that strongly about the person.