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Topic: Sun-Pluto and Venus-Pluto and attraction to the same sex
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RunAroundScreaming
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posted February 05, 2012 04:36 AM
  
I've noticed that most of my crushes have had composite sun-pluto or synastry with venus-pluto (both with the composite love stellium). It's rare that I meet another girl I have composite sun pluto with, but there have been two times. The first girl I met was a lesbian and she liked me, and I liked her as a friend since I am not lesbian. But I noticed there was a strong intensity there and a certain raw physical magnetism between us. The second girl I met was recently, and we also have this composite sun square pluto with the love stellium just as with the first girl I mentioned. I feel with her the same physical magnetism, and I even get nervous around her. I'm not saying I'm a lesbian, I'm not confused about my sexual orientation at all, actually. But it's just that pluto has so much power it can make one feel a soul connection even in friendships. I remember also a best friend from childhood who I had the composite love stellium with and DW venus-pluto and the physical magnetism was definitely there too. I wonder if anyone else has experienced this physical magnetism between the same sex because pluto is just that strong! I think it's fascinating that pluto sexual power could show itself even between members of the same sex who are heterosexual. IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted February 05, 2012 06:04 AM
Raw physical attraction and soul connection isn't the same. Why do you give no acknowledgement to rawness,and yet you upgrade it to soul-ness? Or better yet,if you react so good to Pluto's energy,why don't you accept attraction as just what it is,attraction? Pluto does that,inexplicably lures you in... And it's very capable of superficiality. IP: Logged |
Doreen
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posted February 05, 2012 06:38 AM
Hello RAS 
What is the love stellium ? Is it the sun Venus mercury conjunction in the composite chart you were talking about in another thread IP: Logged |
Xiiro
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posted February 05, 2012 07:40 AM
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Raw physical attraction and soul connection isn't the same. Why do you give no acknowledgement to rawness,and yet you upgrade it to soul-ness? Or better yet,if you react so good to Pluto's energy,why don't you accept attraction as just what it is,attraction? Pluto does that,inexplicably lures you in... And it's very capable of superficiality.
Additionally when Pluto is involved, change is in order. I'm not saying you should become sexually or romantically interactive with these people, but I do think they are in your life to change your views of self (Sun) and beauty/love/values (Venus). Don be skurrd. IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted February 05, 2012 10:59 AM
Skurrd?IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming
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posted February 05, 2012 11:25 AM
Sigh. You guys aren't getting it. LolIP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming
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posted February 05, 2012 11:33 AM
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Originally posted by Doreen:
Hello RAS
What is the love stellium ? Is it the sun Venus mercury conjunction in the composite chart you were talking about in another thread
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RunAroundScreaming
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posted February 05, 2012 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Raw physical attraction and soul connection isn't the same. Why do you give no acknowledgement to rawness,and yet you upgrade it to soul-ness? Or better yet,if you react so good to Pluto's energy,why don't you accept attraction as just what it is,attraction? Pluto does that,inexplicably lures you in... And it's very capable of superficiality.
How dare you use Pluto and superficiality in the same sentence. =O The undergod from Hades must surely be so angry as to haunt you in your dreams now... IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming
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posted February 05, 2012 11:36 AM
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Raw physical attraction and soul connection isn't the same. Why do you give no acknowledgement to rawness,and yet you upgrade it to soul-ness? Or better yet,if you react so good to Pluto's energy,why don't you accept attraction as just what it is,attraction? Pluto does that,inexplicably lures you in... And it's very capable of superficiality.
How dare you use Pluto and superficiality in the same sentence. =O The undergod from Hades must surely be so angry as to haunt you in your dreams now... IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted February 05, 2012 11:51 AM
No,I haven't experienced physical attraction towards gal,even with ridiculously strong Pluto. Every strong relationship in my life has interesting/strong Pluto in composite. And some other things,as well.
Actually,maybe you are bi..? Pluto in transits,progressions can drag out person's true sexuality. Encountering strong Plutonians or having strong synastry link via Pluto can be seen as necessary to form one's sexual identity. I can admit woman is good looking,but being attracted to them,no.
If you approach Pluto's relationship with pre-notion that they are soul-connections,that's reading into the matter.IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted February 05, 2012 11:55 AM
On mythology- I don't see Pluto as bad,just inevitable and necessary.IP: Logged |
AmethystOrnella
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posted February 05, 2012 12:17 PM
Once I came into contact with a Venus in Scorpio lesbian, and we were attracted to each other, it didn't seem like something I could help. I don't know though, her Sun was in Pisces so I don't think her Venus was in Scorpio. It would make more sense if her Venus was in Aquarius since it's close to Pisces and another girl with a Venus in Aquarius had a crush on me.
Pluto's great with tackling necessary evils and taboos. Pluto seems like the more open minded about sexual things so maybe that could tackle that sort of thing, but homosexuality itself seems more of a Mars and Venus placement thing, or maybe a Uranus thing.
Maybe you just have an intense connection and since they're lesbians and you're a girl, that intensity can be mistaken on both ends.
it's another angle to look at it.------------------
Amee's Natal Business
Sun in Scorp - the Brooding Emotions with Sarcastic humor female Archetype
Moon in Gem - the gossipy smiley, freespirited when stimulated Archetype
Merc in Scorp - the Paranoid Sherlock obsessed with the occult Archetype
Ven in Vir - the Naggy, misunderstood, Helpful Archetype
Mars in Scop - Loves the Edward obsessive boyfriend Archetype
Asc in Scorpio - the Approach with caution Archetype IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming
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posted February 05, 2012 12:43 PM
Hmm..again you guys are missing the point. I'm not here to talk about my sexuality. I *Know* i'm straight. I just thought it was curious how pluto is so strong that even in heterosexual friendships the same effects kind of peek through. Like astro.com says that with composite venus conjunct mars even a same sex friendship is likely to be based on sexual drives. I've also found that to be true. But i think it applies even more strongly to sun-pluto and venus-plutoIP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted February 05, 2012 01:00 PM
We are not missing the point,just there are more interesting angles within your original post. We can't have another thread where we gush on Pluto  I think Pluto approves on this reading between the lines And if it is based on sexual drives,well it is not quite a friendship,is it... IP: Logged |
amelia28
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posted February 06, 2012 12:21 AM
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
No,I haven't experienced physical attraction towards gal,even with ridiculously strong Pluto. Every strong relationship in my life has interesting/strong Pluto in composite. And some other things,as well.
Actually,maybe you are bi..? Pluto in transits,progressions can drag out person's true sexuality. Encountering strong Plutonians or having strong synastry link via Pluto can be seen as necessary to form one's sexual identity. I can admit woman is good looking,but being attracted to them,no.
If you approach Pluto's relationship with pre-notion that they are soul-connections,that's reading into the matter.
Venus and moon have to do with love and emotions if you add pluto to the mix it intensifies these emotions a lot and adds a sexual spiritual tone to it as well. Pluto is an intense planet that transforms and is sexual. Pluto rules the 8th house which has to do with bonding through sex, the merging of souls. I definitely think RAS has a good point bc pluto touches your soul via sex and transforms you: THAT IS DEFINITELY ONE OF THE THEMES OF PLUTO. ------------------
“Perfect love casts out fear. Where there is love there are no demands, no expectations, no dependency. I do not demand that you make me happy; my happiness does not lie in you. If you were to leave me, I will not feel sorry for myself; I enjoy your company immensely, but I do not cling.” -Anthony de Mello “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” Mahatma Gandhi quotes (Indian Philosopher, internationally esteemed for his doctrine of nonviolent protest, 1869-1948) IP: Logged |
amelia28
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posted February 06, 2012 12:25 AM
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
We are not missing the point,just there are more interesting angles within your original post. We can't have another thread where we gush on Pluto I think Pluto approves on this reading between the lines And if it is based on sexual drives,well it is not quite a friendship,is it...
ok....my best friend is my husband and we have sex. My best sexual relationships have been with guys that I consider real good friends of mine (my ex and my aqua friend). IP: Logged |
amelia28
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posted February 06, 2012 12:27 AM
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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
Hmm..again you guys are missing the point. I'm not here to talk about my sexuality. I *Know* i'm straight. I just thought it was curious how pluto is so strong that even in heterosexual friendships the same effects kind of peek through. Like astro.com says that with composite venus conjunct mars even a same sex friendship is likely to be based on sexual drives. I've also found that to be true. But i think it applies even more strongly to sun-pluto and venus-pluto
I see your point and I agree. IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming
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posted February 06, 2012 01:47 AM
Thank you, Amelia! At least someone gets me. Lol. Just because you acknowledge someone's sexual "alluringness" doesn't mean you are attracted to them or are a lesbian. I've said before that I agree with a guy when he said a certain girl was hot. I acknowledge that she is hot, but that doesnt mean I'm attracted to her and see her as anything other than another girl I can (or possibly cannot) be friends with. Gross. Anyway. I really think that when it comes to sun-pluto and venus-pluto it is very different from even feeling a girl is hot. I think it's interesting to analyze it when it comes to your same sex because you are more rational about your same sex, whereas you aren't as rational to your opposite sex since you're at least somehwat attracted to most of them lol. But I definitely feel with those two aspects that it is so similar as when it is with a guy. You can't stop looking in each other's eyes for one, and that is so awesome to feel with someone of ur same sex bc you know there's no stupid guy underhanded agenda where they only want sex underneath that. I've felt that mostly with the composite sun square or opposite pluto. Other than having a lot of what they call "eye sex" where once you make eye contact you can't break it! The other things that happen are all the same as when it happens with a guy, too! Such as the nervous feelings, the putting up on a pedestal, the intense chemistry, the unconscious emotional manipulation around them that you cant control etc.It is definitely a connection of the soul, as well as a sexual one. But not in a superficial way, like venus conjunct mars. Sex, in the end, should be about merging with another soul---and that's all pluto. IP: Logged |
alaz7200
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posted February 06, 2012 02:00 AM
I get it. 100% feel you. I've experienced this with members of both sexes. Pluto is always involved. I recently met a guy with his Sun conjunct my Venus-Pluto conjunction in Scorpio. No need for a sexual consummation of our friendship, but definite physical magnetism and soul-to-soul touch. He himself admitted he'd never felt anything like it, and is 100% heterosexual.IP: Logged |
amelia28
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posted February 06, 2012 02:17 AM
best friend from HS we were friends for 10 years about..I have the love stellium with her and pluto square moon and mars in composite in addition to pluto sextile sun/mercury/venus.Emotionally is probably the closest friendship I have ever had with a girl but she pushed me away towards the end and I dont know why but I stopped hanging out with her bc of that, she replaced me with some new girl and started calling her best friend and that friendship probably lasted about a year maybe. It was a wonderful friendship while it lasted, truly great...the best friendship I have had in terms of closeness and having fun. ------------------
“Perfect love casts out fear. Where there is love there are no demands, no expectations, no dependency. I do not demand that you make me happy; my happiness does not lie in you. If you were to leave me, I will not feel sorry for myself; I enjoy your company immensely, but I do not cling.” -Anthony de Mello “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” Mahatma Gandhi quotes (Indian Philosopher, internationally esteemed for his doctrine of nonviolent protest, 1869-1948) IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming
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posted February 06, 2012 03:02 AM
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Originally posted by alaz7200:
I get it. 100% feel you. I've experienced this with members of both sexes. Pluto is always involved. I recently met a guy with his Sun conjunct my Venus-Pluto conjunction in Scorpio. No need for a sexual consummation of our friendship, but definite physical magnetism and soul-to-soul touch. He himself admitted he'd never felt anything like it, and is 100% heterosexual.
That is beautiful. That confirms that I'm not going crazy. Lol. Thanks for sharing. This girl is my sister's friend and I'm getting increasingly nervous because everytime she comes over to hang out with my sister she gives me "eye sex" (i know she isnt even aware of it, it just comes with the soul connection) and it just feels so strange coming from another girl. Like come freaking on, break the eye contact...we are not going out. (This is what I want to say, but not really lol) It feels weird and it makes me nervous, just because I dont like feeling shaky and nervous around other girls. Ugh! Pluto is so...ugh! LOL. You can't hide from pluto, you know? It's like I can feel her becoming really nervous just like me and it just makes everything uncomfortable and I can't relax around her. And the eye contact is unnerving because I don't like having eye sex with girls lol. But it was the same thing when I had composite sun square pluto with guys. So I think it's pretty fascinating that it applies to even both sexes. IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming
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posted February 06, 2012 03:10 AM
Amelia, is that the only love stellium friendship you've ever had, hun? I'm sorry about that.  My love stellium friendships have all ended as well, mostly because of insecurity though and huge trust issues.Did you experience the physical magnetism and eye sex thing I was talking about, though? Probably not...sextiles aren't strong enough I think. IP: Logged |
amelia28
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posted February 06, 2012 04:08 AM
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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
That is beautiful. That confirms that I'm not going crazy. Lol. Thanks for sharing. This girl is my sister's friend and I'm getting increasingly nervous because everytime she comes over to hang out with my sister she gives me "eye sex" (i know she isnt even aware of it, it just comes with the soul connection) and it just feels so strange coming from another girl. Like come freaking on, break the eye contact...we are not going out. (This is what I want to say, but not really lol) It feels weird and it makes me nervous, just because I dont like feeling shaky and nervous around other girls. Ugh! Pluto is so...ugh! LOL. You can't hide from pluto, you know? It's like I can feel her becoming really nervous just like me and it just makes everything uncomfortable and I can't relax around her. And the eye contact is unnerving because I don't like having eye sex with girls lol.But it was the same thing when I had composite sun square pluto with guys. So I think it's pretty fascinating that it applies to even both sexes.
there was this chick in a class I took as an undergrad that I had crazy crazy chemistry with and like you it freaked me out bc it was very intense and not use to having chemistry like that with a chick. I couldn't talk to her, I didnt know how to act around her. I could tell she felt it too, dont know her birthdate ofcourse. I imagine there was a lot of pluto going on. IP: Logged |
amelia28
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posted February 06, 2012 04:10 AM
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Amelia, is that the only love stellium friendship you've ever had, hun? I'm sorry about that. My love stellium friendships have all ended as well, mostly because of insecurity though and huge trust issues.Did you experience the physical magnetism and eye sex thing I was talking about, though? Probably not...sextiles aren't strong enough I think.
yes to the physical magnetism which I imagine had to do with moon square pluto and mars square pluto in composite and No to the eye sex thing. IP: Logged |
amelia28
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posted February 06, 2012 04:13 AM
and it was the only love stellium friendship I have had but it lasted a longgg time, 10 years. we would hang out a lot, I would sleep over a lot...I was really close to all her family.IP: Logged |
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