posted February 06, 2012 06:40 PM            

I work with someone who has Scorpio as a dominant placement in their chart including Mars in Scorpio. He is an Aquarius Sun and a very outgoing person however I have a really big feeling he's a liar. I've got potent 8th House energy with a few planets there including Pluto and my radar's pretty strong.

He doesn't work in my department but we're friends and he sits with me and my coworkers at lunch. From the moment I met him I got this weird feeling, as though there were blockages in his energy and even with the things he said there were many inconsistencies which is probably a mirror of what's going on inside of him. Like he's wrestling with demons. I don't trust him even though I've tried to because we're acquaintances however I get this feeling that he's being deceptive about his life and the image he presents to the outside world. He'll tell my coworkers and I things like he doesn't believe in the occult or paranormal, or anything metaphysical. I know he lies about his past when we have discussions. You'd think he'd just be secretive and withhold information but he just tells lies. It's weird.

I'm also aware that he's aware that I know he's liar and a manipulator. Lately he's been trying to get me to warm to him as a friend because he feels threatened by my presence and what I might know. However we've barely spoken since I've become aware of the inconsistencies and lies within his character it makes it very hard to talk to him. I can barely look him in the eyes, it's like seeing pure evil.

My coworkers who know us both just state that we don't get along, however they aren't really sure why. I'd tell them the truth, which I've hinted at however I'd rather the truth reveal itself on it's own and I don't want to stir up stuff. It's just annoying because I'm too aware of his lies and everyone else just drinks it up like water. Since I've been resisting his attempts to manipulate me into being friendly with him so others don't take note of why I don't want to be anywhere near him, I have a feeling he's going to plot my downfall. Meaning lay the groundwork for me to be alienated by our mutual friends/coworkers. He's already tried to twist my words in a conversation that was touchy in order to make me look like an fool. Major manipulator. Unfortunately for him I have Mercury in the 8th which cuts through bull cr&p like a knife and I can't sit back and watch, it honestly makes me sick. The thing is I sense that he's looking for redemption for himself for things he's done that we don't know about in the past and continues to do however he's going about it the wrong way, lying and trying to control and manipulate people at work and in his personal life. I'm at the point where I don't really want anything to do with him.

posted February 06, 2012 06:50 PM            

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Originally posted by NativelyJoan:
And has anyone met a Scorpio who didn't believe in the occult, paranormal, metaphysical or spiritual subjects?

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Quick answer yes.

posted February 06, 2012 07:38 PM            

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Originally posted by NativelyJoan:
Religion counts in my book as spiritual, lol thanks for bringing that up. I'm talking atheism about everything spiritual, religion, spirits, mysticism, the universe etc. All things occult including religion.

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posted February 06, 2012 08:41 PM            

I mean very few people who are watery will tell you *genuine* things about themselves before they get to know you well. It is partially a protective mechanism.

But other than being 'protective' - there are many other reasons people might lie. It is a free world so everyone is entitled to project whatever imagine they want to project socially amongst aquintances and strangers.

With friends/familly - it's a different story. In that context people are usually *their* true selves.

I know there are those who are just very *honest* to the point of being naive (with absolutely everybody they meet)... but I would say they are in the minority. Most of us do lie to people we do not know well.

Now - if he is lying about OTHER things... things that can actually *affect* you personally and that have an impact on your life... For example - lying to your boss about particular work that you have done to promote himself.. or etc... THIS would concern me.
If he doesn't do anything nasty like this ^ then let him lie away about his personal life. Who cares?

posted February 06, 2012 08:49 PM            

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I sense that he's looking for redemption for himself for things he's done that we don't know about in the past and continues to do however he's going about it the wrong way

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Honestly, I don’t want to be rude to you. I think I am just crancky these days.. but I have to ask – Why are you making this your personal business?
You do not know him well.
Let him be.

I mean I’m sure he has people who are close who can help him with his problems. He will not simply open up to someone he does not know well.

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trying to control and manipulate people at work and in his personal life

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posted February 06, 2012 09:19 PM            

I am genuinely curious.

If you don't want to derail the thread - it's all good. You don't have to answer.

From my perspective a lie is only a negative thing - if it affects others adversely. Otherwise I just don't feel like it's my business whether someone is lying about their past or not.

But you are right that I don't know the circumstances and I am not involved here. In my experience - air influenced people ask a whole lot of questions.. that I would prefer not to answer. I have a Pisces Mercury (and I'm pretty watery.. more so Neptunian than Plutonian).
This is the reason why I was imagining the situation as - you guys having lunch and you (& other coworkers) asking him questions to get to know him better while he was giving you answers which were evasive or blatant lies.

posted February 06, 2012 09:38 PM            

I understand, no worries. To answer your question, I honestly think people should do whatever they want to. Who am I to judge. If I'm aware they are lying I might be curious as to why, but again it's their prerogative. The issue develops however when they weave a web of lies and try to weasel me into that situation. Attempting to get my approval to justify the things they are doing. I will not be held connected to or accountable for the lies they say to keep there stories together. I'm not a spokesperson for liars, and I will not defend them if their lies catch up with them. It's becomes a complicated situation of which I want no part of. On this particular situation I just want to get clarity and alternative perspectives.

I'm a dominant Air individual as you may know, but I also have 8th house energy which includes Mercury located there and unless I know you I prefer NOT to talk about myself or snoop into someone else's business because unless they make it my concern I usually don't really care. Honestly, I never care until someone makes me care and then I can't forget about it because I've got an 8th House Mercury that's very concerned with the truth and "knowing." When people reveal things about themselves especially about their personal lives it makes it easier to trust them, and if they are prone to manipulation then abusing another person's empathy is the fastest way to get them to believe whatever they want you to. I won't go into detail but with him, the more he revealed the more I didn't trust him and suspected untruths. That was until I started catching him in his own lies and then I discovered the truth.

posted February 06, 2012 09:45 PM            

but also you are a libra with mercury in libra so you should be able to strategically trap him if you really want to.

This has happened to me that I pick up something about someone who is very very charming and so everyone is in the palm of his/her hand but I see them for who they are and find it hard to believe others are not picking up on the manipulation. I have pluto singleton which forms aspects to sun/moon/venus/mars/neptune/saturn and ruler of my 8th is moon.

posted February 06, 2012 09:59 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
Use your libra in mercury to seal this and expose him discretely.

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posted February 06, 2012 10:00 PM            

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Originally posted by NativelyJoan:

Any who my questions are has anyone dealt with someone who had dominant Scorpio energy particularly Mars in Scorpio that lied to hide their past or the truth? And has anyone met a Scorpio who didn't believe in the occult, paranormal, metaphysical or spiritual subjects? It's like meeting a Libra who didn't believe in beauty or love, which is obviously possible but not common considering the archetype of Libra. Thanks.

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As you know husband has mars in scorpio and mercury in scorpio.......the guy is just to freaking honest if you ask me LOL. I wanted an honest guy I sure as hell got it.

He hates that I log into lindaland and that I believe in astrology. I tell him to stop controlling me bc I left religion for this reason and I didn't let my parents control me either. He is into space...he wants an elevator to be created that would take you to space. He hates how behind we are in space knowledge and technology. He wants a planet to be discovered were humans can start moving there. He wants our home design to be like the inside of a spaceship, he thinks is modern, futuristic looking, sleek, and hot. He is definitely a truth seeker, he is the one that introduced me to politics and how I become aware of the reality politically of the world and this country. He wants to live forever and introduced me to nano technology and how one day we will be able to live forever bc of this.

posted February 06, 2012 10:09 PM            

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Originally posted by NativelyJoan:
Thanks for the advice and providing that example Amelia . I'm going to keep my distance for now but if provoked I might have to consider how to tactfully handle the situation. Being a Libra I'm not a fan of conflict but I'm very concerned with an honest resolution. If it came time to revealing the truth, I'd most definitely find the most diplomatic way to do it. Us Libra's do not like to accumulate enemies.

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You are sweet, that is your libra mixing with your neptune in the 11th .

I would do the same. When it comes to work I really do avoid conflict bc I really value a positive environment in the work place. In fact I need to feel close to my team and work for a company that doesn't exploit me for me to last in a company. If I dont feel my team is tight with eachother I won't want to stay working there for long....that is just me...I wish I was more scorpio (comfortable in their corner and keeping to themselves and cool) at the workplace but I am more like a leo, perhaps this is bc my 11th and 6th are ruled by venus which is in Leo in the 9th (diversity is also something I value in the work place).

I would wait until I feel he is a threat to me otherwise I would just keep my distance.

posted February 06, 2012 10:48 PM            

look for his mercury placement, that is the communication planet, which also means lying

i really dislike people writing something like that as mars in scorpio (which i have) when it has nothing to do with that planet

i dont mean to sound angry, because i'm not offended, just please look at the correct planet

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I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate?

posted February 07, 2012 12:52 AM            

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Originally posted by ladyvi:
Afflicted mercury not mars in Scorpio would be the culprit.

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what i said, lol

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I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate?

posted February 07, 2012 01:16 AM            

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Originally posted by NativelyJoan:
Well,
Anywho my questions are has anyone dealt with someone who had dominant Scorpio energy particularly Mars in Scorpio that lied to hide their past or the truth?

And has anyone met a Scorpio who didn't believe in the occult, paranormal, metaphysical or spiritual subjects?

It's like meeting a Libra who didn't believe in beauty or love, which is obviously possible but not common considering the archetype of Libra. Thanks.

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It's funny you mention Libra because that is how I view most of them. Libras are subtly competitive, and a bit like Capricorns in that there's usually a reason they're socializing with someone in particular (maybe not a reason, a motivation, an angle?) and I see through their charm VERY easily. This is coming from someone who usually has a hard time reading people's emotions on a day to day basis.

I don't know many Mars in Scorpio people, but I know Scorpio influenced and in my experience it depends. They're not all liars but they are very manipulative. It's not always "bad," but usually for selfish reasons. I know a Libra with Scorpio rising right now and he's very sure of himself. The thing is I don't get the vibe he's compensating. I think he's oblivious to how immature/arrogant he sounds. He does manipulate people and is very confident that it's okay because it's done to provide what's "best" for them. *eye roll.*

Also no I have yet to meet a Scorpio who is neutral on those subjects. I know two who are very loyal to their faith (Christian, etc.) and two who are interested in metaphysical stuff. Pisces seem to be the sign most likely to be into ghosts and spirituality vs. Cancer or Scorpio, while we're talking about it. Cancer turns a blind eye to all mysticism I think as they're a more traditional water sign.

posted February 07, 2012 01:35 AM            

Thanks for your responses. I've considered planet afflictions to Mercury but ruled them as sub-important because his Mercury is in Aquarius conjunct his Sun not aspecting any other planets. He has Scorpio as a dominant placement (3 planets) with hard aspects to Mars, and as someone with dominant Pluto in their chart I know deception and control are related to this planet in particular. Yes the chart is complex, however I can turn the lens right back to you in regards to narrowing an assumption down to one placement (Afflicted Mercury).

posted February 07, 2012 01:39 AM            

i didnt mean to narrow everything down to one PLANET, but to what rules communication

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I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate?

posted February 07, 2012 02:39 AM            

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I know, but I guess it just means we all really have to focus on taking the whole chart into consideration, including myself. I don't mean to bag on MIS I just noticed it was a strong position in his chart with its placements and aspects.

I don't know his time of birth and I will not be asking because of the circumstances so I'm not sure what's in his third house. But he is an Aquarius Sun and Mercury with Mars conjunct Jupiter and Neptune in Scorpio and is dominant water and fixed energy.

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I notice most Aquariuses act like hotter shots than they are. Not sure why when it's so obviously seen through.

posted February 07, 2012 05:18 AM            

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Originally posted by ladyvi:
Afflicted mercury not mars in Scorpio would be the culprit.

I have 8th house moon and strong pluto + mercury so I pick up & read between lines and catch liars pretty fast BUT I have realized every single person I know is a liar. We are all liars and the ones who say they don't lie are the biggest liars and naive on top of it. If the lies affect you and are becoming malicious then I would be worried if it doesn't, then brush the dude off. I'm personally very private about my life. Some of the scandalous things I've done in my past I will blatantly deny even if its a lie, noone has to know EVERYTHING about me.

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You suggested afflicted mercury but then said yours is not afflicted and you lie bc you feel everyone lies.

I think you are right I think everyone lies probably bc is an adaptive trait evolutionarily speaking. For example, people were executed for practicing witchcraft at some point so been honest about practicing witchcraft will get you kill. I think people intuitively lie to avoid getting in trouble and suffering but some people do it out of insecurity when there is no need for it or lie like is a sport or to seem cool etc...

I have one aspect to mercury and that is mercury opposite moon and I am not liar. I have lied but do it HARDLY ever. I enjoy been blunt and take pride it in and since opposition is the only aspect I have involving mercury I would assume this is means my mercury is afflicted but perhaps the fact that is in virgo and it conjuncts my MC and falls in the 10th helps as well as having a sag rising.