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Topic: Virgo south node, Pisces north node
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hannaramaa
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posted February 19, 2012 11:07 PM
 
I have Virgo south node and Pisces north node. I was thinking today how much my ex-boyfriend acted Virgo-ish as he was controlling and critical in subtle ways, and how I'd turned very emotional around that time and had a nervous breakdown. He reminded me so much of myself and I realized his behavior was a reflection of mine (re: the Virgo south node) but what I'm afraid of is letting go of that need and moving towards Pisces north node. Pisces are very soft people indeed and I like them, but the sign itself seems easily controlled and my Aries-ness or Moon trine Uranus or Sag DSC won't have that. I get panicky at the thought of allowing someone to affect my emotions or letting myself fall in love as Pisces to easily do. My point in rambling about all of this is would you agree that Virgo SN to Pisces NN is working from being controlling (or controlling others out of fear) to allowing others to control you and trusting it's for a higher purpose (since I thought Pisces are so optimistic and always search for higher purpose meanings to difficulties in their life) IP: Logged |
Betty Boop
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posted February 20, 2012 01:33 AM
Hi! I wouldn't agree, but I think you are on the right track.
For me - Pisces is more about letting go of control in general.. or rather - realizing that none of us are ever *truly* in control, because that feeling of control is often an illusion.
So learning to let go of Virgonean 'control' is more like learning to trust God (if you believe in God) or the Universe. It is not about letting other people control you. This is actually a very negative thing spiritually. No healthy Pisces would ever let others control them. On the positive side of Pisces... this sign is very *free* - No one catches the slippery fish. They are off somewhere sailing on their spiritual seas. IP: Logged |
tautomer4314
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posted February 20, 2012 01:37 AM
Yup, that seems right to me. I have Virgo SN and Pisces NN as well.Virgo is all about the details. The minutia, the plan, the environment, the subtleties. Any bit and piece of information that could be used, logged, or understood. It wants things to be traceable. Pisces on the other hand, is about the diffuse, the intangible, the un-reality. No plans, no means. Simply going with the flow and working in the unseen undercurrents knowing things will just naturally work out. Going from the SN of virgo which knows all the information in details in safety and control, to the NN of pisces which can not function at all with these things, is very scary. Pisces requires a LOT of trust in the self, and the environment (something virgo is not ok with). So in the end it is about letting go, but not "forgetting". More, having trust with what is going on and not needing to over-focus on everything. ------------------
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racole12
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posted February 20, 2012 02:32 AM
Hanna,I'm right in the same boat as you BUT I have the NN in Virgo. Guess what I keep attracting into my romantic life? Pisces' lol. I guess we can both can say safely we are being "pushed" into our NNs. lol. Good Luck!  IP: Logged |
Dreamy_AriesGirl
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posted February 20, 2012 03:39 AM
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On the positive side of Pisces... this sign is very *free* - No one catches the slippery fish. They are off somewhere sailing on their spiritual seas. [/B]
Haha, so true 
Not that im a Pisces, but I also have my North Node here, so im pretty familiar with the dilemmas of the Virgo-Pisces axis.
For me, one of the biggest lesson is to realize that its possible to achieve great things without over-doing and over-focusing 24/24. Pisces teaches us how to free ourselves from being controlled by details, daily routine or our constant service to others. So we can learn how to give ourselves some break, lol. IP: Logged |
anongrl10
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posted February 20, 2012 04:11 AM
Hanna, very well put. I have the same NN-SN axis and it's all about control BUT I agree with Betty; it's not about allowing anyone to control you. Pisces's very strong internally.
It's letting go of the need to control and letting go of controlling people. It's focusing inward instead of focusing to the Other. We, Virgo-SN people, know that when we criticize we aren't happy and we also know that by focusing on the Other, is losing power of ourselves. It's the Virgo tendency to perfectionism that dictates this but Pisces says "accept all; it's all good". It doesn't mean you become anyone's pushover either! It means you stand your ground with acceptance of both the Other and of yourself.
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anongrl10
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posted February 20, 2012 04:17 AM
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Faith
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posted February 20, 2012 07:54 AM
Has anyone here checked out Gary Goldschneider's book The Secret Language of Destiny? It's about the nodes, and it's amazing. My Libra sister-in-law who has Virgo SN is a great demonstration of how this works. She is a perfectionist, VERY detail-oriented, and can be overly critical. But she meditates, goes to Ayurvedic retreats, is always striving for a more spiritual life. She's considered becoming a Buddhist. She thought all Libras did this kind of stuff, I told her I thought it was her Pisces north node. She said she would study that...probably because she's Pisces NN.  IP: Logged |
anongrl10
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posted February 20, 2012 08:15 AM
Faith, I agree with you 100%. I'm a lot like your s.i.l. and I too have a strong "double" brain, very orthological, detailed oriented and analytical on one hand, and very spiritual, into tarot, astro, yoga, meditation on the other hand. My Pisces NN enjoys that but I am still baffled about the right way to ingrate those. The Virgo side is still going strong. Of course I was never 100% my SN. I got into Eastern philosophy, religion and practice in my early 20s. I rediscovered it after a long hiatus when friends pushed me to get into tarot because they could see something I couldn't. It's better now. I wish I could make it official in my life a bit more. Some friends suggested asking for donations when I offer my readings as I'm in dire need. We'll see. I want tarot to be open to anyone (I loath people who charge extravagant amounts for things like tarot, astro, Reiki and I never want to be that person). But my NN is Pisces is in the 2nd house too trining my Nept on the MC... We'll see. IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted February 20, 2012 11:31 AM
You guys have definitely provided some food for thought! It's also interesting that it's taken me this long to grasp what the SN/NN axis is and yet I think it's very, very prevalent and strong in my personality, whereas I'm always pondering "Hmm, I don't feel Aries enough." And yet I know a LOT about Aries. I wonder if somewhere in my subconscious my mind decided to act the opposite of what Aries acts like because I'd read so much on it. As for you fellow Virgo/Pisces noders ... you understand how HARD it is to let go of that magnifying glass and log book, then. I mean it is really hard. I worry a lot and I thought this was just because I have Gemini rising but not anymore. I worry and get anxious when I don't know everything going on, or if I sense there's going to be a disruption. I have no ideas how Pisces go with the flow. P.S. I'm not sure who said it (about Pisces being strong internally) but if they are strong then how come they give so much, sometimes to the wrong people? They're exceptionally intuitive but when it comes to delegating who deserves what.... that needs work. IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted February 20, 2012 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by anongrl10:
Faith, I agree with you 100%. I'm a lot like your s.i.l. and I too have a strong "double" brain, very orthological, detailed oriented and analytical on one hand, and very spiritual, into tarot, astro, yoga, meditation on the other hand. My Pisces NN enjoys that but I am still baffled about the right way to ingrate those. The Virgo side is still going strong. Of course I was never 100% my SN. I got into Eastern philosophy, religion and practice in my early 20s. I rediscovered it after a long hiatus when friends pushed me to get into tarot because they could see something I couldn't. It's better now. I wish I could make it official in my life a bit more. Some friends suggested asking for donations when I offer my readings as I'm in dire need. We'll see. I want tarot to be open to anyone (I loath people who charge extravagant amounts for things like tarot, astro, Reiki and I never want to be that person). But my NN is Pisces is in the 2nd house too trining my Nept on the MC... We'll see.
Wow, NEAT!  I wish I could do more with the occult but I have Mars opposed Neptune and have been advised that I could get lost in it. Like when I was the "Ouija board girl" in high school. But I'd like to be a receptionist at a business like that! Like I've dreamed of working in the aromatherapy aisle at Whole Foods. Anyway, I really LOVE this particular nodal axis, my moon is at 19 degrees Pisces, and I've found that I relate well to Pisces node people.  Plus it just sounds cool. If you have your NN in the later degrees, I think it's around 20-27 degrees, Gary Goldschneider calls it The Way of Transcendence and he speculates that this might be your last incarnation on earth. 'Not sure if I believe in reincarnation or not, I just like the drama with that (I'm Leo rising.) IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted February 20, 2012 12:22 PM
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P.S. I'm not sure who said it (about Pisces being strong internally) but if they are strong then how come they give so much, sometimes to the wrong people? They're exceptionally intuitive but when it comes to delegating who deserves what.... that needs work. [/B]
Reading from the I Ching: "You are strong enough to be gentle." And the "wrong" people need angels more than anyone.  Pisces moon here - cheers! IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted February 20, 2012 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by Faith:
Reading from the I Ching: "You are strong enough to be gentle."And the "wrong" people need angels more than anyone. Pisces moon here - cheers!
I don't think mean people deserve angels, but I suppose that's part of my life lesson. I think my NN is at 4 degrees and conjunct my MC which is right next to it in the 9th house. Is that anything spectacular? IP: Logged |
Betty Boop
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posted February 20, 2012 09:12 PM
hannarama -
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f they are strong then how come they give so much, sometimes to the wrong people
I can see what Faith is saying..
But I also just wanted to ask you - What do you think Pisces people *lose* when they give so much?
Is it that you think they lose pride/ego/time/energy?
These things don't matter to Pisces. They see time as endless (so they have an infinite supply).. Their energy is replenished -simply- by being useful to other people because they love to feel that human2human cohesion. As to 'ego' and 'pride' these concepts are alien on a transpersonal level.. Ego is defused in Pisces. Ego/Pride is only meaningful to personal signs because this is how they identify and differentiate themselves from others. Pisces thinks we're *all* in this together.. so they don't think of themselves as an individual *ego* - but rather as a part of a whole.
When a Pisces helps someone they help for the good of everyone (simply because if we were all a little helpful the world would be a better place - and Pisces wants to play their *role*)... rather than merely helping for the good of that particular person. I'm not sure if this sounds confusing. quote:
I don't think mean people deserve angels
Pisces is also a very philosophical sign and co-ruled by Jupiter. So 'mean-ness' is debatable. First of all - are they really mean in the scheme of things or are they simply mean from *your* personal perspective? Who is judging them to be mean? Because in some ways we are all mean at some points in our lives.
Secondly - Even if you consider them 'mean' -- how did they get so 'mean'? For example, maybe they were hurt throughout their entire childhood by an abusive parent. So if you go down the historical chain - Do you call the parent "mean"? What if the parent had some bad breaks in life - and was addicted to drugs and unable to control themselves? Do you blame society?
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hannaramaa
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posted February 20, 2012 09:27 PM
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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
hannarama -
I can see what Faith is saying..
But I also just wanted to ask you - What do you think Pisces people *lose* when they give so much?
Is it that you think they lose pride/ego/time/energy?
These things don't matter to Pisces.
I think ... that's a really good question. Probably one that is quite telling, but I want to go there and figure out why these things matter to me and not Pisces. I think when you keep giving and giving and giving to someone who is undeserving, you're wasting your energy and your time. There's people out there who would/could appreciate it more but instead you'd rather stay in a vicious cycle perhaps not getting your own needs met by this person whom your giving to so much? I guess it's about equality too. I don't understand the concept of why it doesn't matter. I want to, though.
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posted February 20, 2012 09:29 PM
Hi ^ I missed this.. I just added to my post!! quote:
not getting your own needs met by this person whom your giving to so much? I guess it's about equality too.
I agree that it's a give and take. The thing is all the signs have their virtues & vices... A healthy Pisces does not neglect themselves. I've known so many Pisces in my life - probably because of all the Neptune in my chart.. and many of them are very strong people.
'Losing themselves' and giving too much.. is one of the down-sides of Pisces as a sign. Like aggression can be a down-side of Aries.. But imo when you have your North Node in a sign you have to do your best to develop the positive traits of that sign. IP: Logged |
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posted February 21, 2012 01:25 AM
"They see time as endless (so they have an infinite supply).. Their energy is replenished -simply- by being useful to other people because they love to feel that human2human cohesion. As to 'ego' and 'pride' these concepts are alien on a transpersonal level.. Ego is defused in Pisces.Ego/Pride is only meaningful to personal signs because this is how they identify and differentiate themselves from others. Pisces thinks we're *all* in this together.. so they don't think of themselves as an individual *ego* - but rather as a part of a whole." ^ I feel this a LOT but it's almost as soon as I become conscious that I'm connecting with others and relaxing, my mind rearranges itself and I go back to being Virgo-ish. I hate being Virgo-ish, it's lonely, but I am soooooooo uncomfortable letting all that go for good. IP: Logged |
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posted February 21, 2012 07:12 AM
I completely understand! I'm like this with my Scorpio SN. It doesn't help that my Nodes are extra emphasised since I have Pluto on SN and Venus on NN. It can be really difficult to let go of SN behaviour & attitudes. I think it happens gradually though. As I mentioned on a different thread, the people I know who are middle aged (and older) seem much more influenced by their NN. IP: Logged |
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posted February 21, 2012 07:37 AM
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I think when you keep giving and giving and giving to someone who is undeserving, you're wasting your energy and your time. There's people out there who would/could appreciate it more but instead you'd rather stay in a vicious cycle perhaps not getting your own needs met by this person whom your giving to so much? I guess it's about equality too. I don't understand the concept of why it doesn't matter. I want to, though.
Hanna, I agree with BB that the idea is to develop the positive traits of the NN sign, and getting caught in vicious cycles isn't part of it. I trust that the more conscious a person becomes, the more spiritual the path will be, and getting dragged down by the negative energy of others isn't part of it. You'll know as you go along, your "feelers" will get stronger I will have to check the Destiny book, but I think your NN is near the Aqua-Pisces cusp. According to this astrologer I mentioned above, that's the "cusp of sensitivity" and your south node is the Leo-Virgo "cusp of exposure." A friend of mine has this nodal axis so I read about it before. The description says that people on this path might come to wonder whether or not they are crazy. It's like life is stripping you of your protective shell...your SN is associated with mystery and secretiveness...NN is wide open to receive all kinds of emotional energy from all around you. And you have to figure out what's YOU versus what you're absorbing. Make any sense? This friend is in the dental business (very Virgo!). She went to a medical intuitive once who immediately told her, "You should be a healer. You're in the wrong business." I translate the healer's message this way: "You're stuck on the south node, you're destined to be more like a Pisces!" This story may or may not have any significance for you- just putting it out there as an example. IP: Logged |
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posted February 21, 2012 08:37 AM
Before I go...uler of the Twelfth House in the Tenth House Any altruistic service that you perform will come before the public eye. You want to help others through your career or your position of authority and responsibility. You could experience a time of confusion and doubt about your career choices.
You may be called upon to forgive your father or some other primary authority figure. Too much emphasis on your worldly status can eventually work against you. Use whatever power you gain with wisdom and compassion. The world you create is the one you will also live in. This is dead on for me...for records sake....taurus in the 12th...venus in the tenth conjunct mc in aquarius. IP: Logged |
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posted February 21, 2012 09:03 AM
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Originally posted by Faith:
I will have to check the Destiny book, but I think your NN is near the Aqua-Pisces cusp. According to this astrologer I mentioned above, that's the "cusp of sensitivity" and your south node is the Leo-Virgo "cusp of exposure." A friend of mine has this nodal axis so I read about it before. The description says that people on this path might come to wonder whether or not they are crazy. It's like life is stripping you of your protective shell...your SN is associated with mystery and secretiveness...NN is wide open to receive all kinds of emotional energy from all around you. And you have to figure out what's YOU versus what you're absorbing. Make any sense?
So much sense. I agree with everything said here, AND yes I do wonder if I'm crazy! I have had so many coincidences and experiences psychically, intuitively that there's no way I can excuse psychic phenomena. For awhile there I was so connected to people in general I thought I was reading minds. I would wonder something in my head and in a second they would answer my question, or ask me the same question I was thinking (and they weren't general questions either.) I also have Moon trine Neptune, and Mars and Jupiter in the 12th house which I was told would give me a Piscean nature already. So far it's just really hard to tell what are MY emotions and what is someone else's, but the more I think about why I'm feeling the way I am and the more I can't explain it logically, the more I'm convinced I'm "feeling" someone else. I also attract a lot of water signs and don't really care for fire signs (not long-term anyway) I was also told I was a healer, I just figured it was something everyone could do though and nothing special. IP: Logged |
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posted February 21, 2012 09:17 AM
^ That gave me goosebumps!My opinion is, everyone can develop their intuition, but it's a matter of degrees, and with your nodal axis being what it is, you are extra intuitive, it's like an inborn gift. I think the more you pay attention to it, the better you will use the gift. And you'll be better equipped to take care of yourself, by periodically "emptying out" all the psychic stuff you absorb. If not you can really get stressed out! Good luck! IP: Logged |
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posted February 21, 2012 09:29 AM
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P.S. I'm not sure who said it (about Pisces being strong internally) but if they are strong then how come they give so much, sometimes to the wrong people? They're exceptionally intuitive but when it comes to delegating who deserves what.... that needs work.
I said it so let me explain how I see it.
The biggest givers are the stronger people. You can't give something you don't have.
Pisces may be silent but do not underestimate them. They are strong.
Pisces has a need to give and yes this can make them easy prey in the hands of some vicious people but Pisces are not gullible, they are just dreamers and will always believe in people no matter what. And it takes a lot of internal strength to never give up on people, even when they have failed you, right?
The best combo is a Pisces with a strong earth element to steady all that water methinks.
Hope this explains a bit what I meant by "strong". IP: Logged |
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posted February 21, 2012 09:50 AM
Well said, anongrl. I just realized something. Hanna said: quote:
For awhile there I was so connected to people in general I thought I was reading minds. I would wonder something in my head and in a second they would answer my question, or ask me the same question I was thinking (and they weren't general questions either.)
The friend I mentioned above...she and I made a date to go out for coffee. I had the Destiny book out from the library and read about her before the date, because I was reading about everyone. So, we were talking and at one point she said something that reminded me of the book. I was thinking "Book says that she might think she's crazy...." and then she said, "Sometimes I wonder...am I just crazy?" It JUST occurred to me...she might have been reading my mind. I'm so NOT used to having my mind read, I thought it was just a funny coincidence when it happened. This makes me wonder how often she does that, and other people, like me, don't tell her it's happening. IP: Logged |
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posted February 21, 2012 10:08 AM
I understand, anongirl. Thank you Faith - That IS weird. Yet, I understand how they come to be. I think the most intuitive people can be ones who often "think" and analyze feelings. I mean REALLY analyze them. Of course Virgos can't wait to do that because it's what makes them feel secure - similar to Scorpios. However, I think it's when the VIrgo SN person suffers a burn out that they transcend into their Pisces NN of just giving it up to God and enjoying the moment. It's when they, we, finally exhaust our minds that we can use our hearts instead and the Pisces NN person knows they can't go wrong when thinking with their heart. As for being extra intuitive, and "empathic", I think Gemini ASC adds to this although it doesn't aspect the MC at all. I see Gemini ASC as someone who's energy is often times spread thin without realizing it. Of course someone who has their fingers in a bunch of pies is going to soak up a ton of energy similar to Pisces moons. IP: Logged |
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