posted February 23, 2012 01:07 AM            

I recently started looking at some celebrity charts and again, to me it made more sense.

I took a look at Angelina Jolie's chart and her saturn joins the venus/asc in the first. Pluto moves to the 4th, NN and neptune move to the 6th, Her stellium of jupiter conj Mc, moon and mars is officially in the 10th, her merc and sun in the 12th. -- To me, it makes sense because with whole sign, the ruler of her 5th is now in the 4th (3rd placidus). NN at in Sagg, is in the house of service along with neptune, and her sun in the 12th accounts for issues with her father.

I also looked at Brads chart. The main changes in his chart are: His jupiter (chart ruler) moves from 4th to 5th (big difference), his uranus and pluto to the 10th from the 9th.

Im not saying the charts are in any way inaccurate using placidus, they just bring different things into focus, to me personally, it just feels right.

The way i understand it, is that the degrees of the asc are extended into each house, so the sensitive cusp ends up somewhere in the house. The ASC/MC are still just as significant.

I once read a rationalization of using the equal house system (different, i know) when the MC is separated from the 10th. This was on another board and i couldn't find it but the way she explained it was: "To think of the MC as the president and the 10th as the White House. The MC is still and always will be the president." I use the Porphyry system to determine how 'active' the planet is in the chart. So i went back to the originally used houses.

I really wish i had changes in my chart so i could comment on the accuracy for myself. I only have 16 charts of people in my life. 10 of them are actually couples so i have been able to do some synastry practice with those. There was a synastry chart where a couple of placements made sense either way. But even with my very minimal practice after reading many articles, forums, etc. on the history of astrology, houses, the confusion with them, i am pretty sure i found the system i will stick to for now.

This is a straight forward explanation by Robert Schmidt -
http://accessnewage.com/articles/astro/houses.htm

posted February 23, 2012 07:56 AM            

One big thing that changes is, Uranus would move into my fourth house. I have eccentric siblings and a tendency to say nutty things therefore, I have felt that it belongs in the third house.

However, I'm reading that people with Uranus in the fourth MUST leave their place of birth to succeed in life. I had an epiphany in my early 20's where I realized this (without looking into astrology.) Also I long to live on a house boat, and that's very Uranus-in-the-fourth.

If a planet is close to a house cusp, can it affect both houses?

posted February 23, 2012 09:44 AM            

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My chart: http://tinypic.com/r/29zzjbo/5

posted February 23, 2012 03:13 PM            

the main differences with placidus and Equal (mind) and Whole is quite simply PLANETS MOVE HOUSES and it's upto you to play detective and see which planets fit in which houses for YOU.

for example in my own chart IF i did use placidus my stellium would move two full houses and this simply is not me...

Why not create one or two charts and really study them. MC will always be MC inEqual, but having another 10th house cusp is like a weaker secondary axis, which ALL cusps can be verified using Transits and progressions and to do this you must learn how to use an ephemeris...
http://www.khaldea.com/ephemcenter.shtml

If you want to learn how to use an ephemeris try here.. http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42496

here is my favourite online ephemeris which plots where the planets are for hundreds of years...

posted February 23, 2012 07:14 PM            

SaggiMC, you are absolutely right about celebrity charts, i was just playing around because they are two of my favorite Hollywood stars I wish my planets DID move houses between different house systems but they do not

MertSerimer - I have a stellium of sun/merc/jupiter all strongly aspected in my 10th and i am not, AT ALL career driven anything. Thats why the MC in the 9th in whole houses just clicks because that is my main focus, always has been.

Moonfish, that would be a rather unhappy place for saturn.

Faith, yes. Most give it an orb of 5* to affect both houses unless its retrograde.

Caridwen, i will be looking at house rulers more. One thing i did notice that wouldn't add up with the house rulers with whole signs was on the day my daughter was born. That day, t-uranus was trining my pluto exactly. Pluto is ruler of my 5th in Placidus, Rules the 4th in whole-signs.