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luckylucky
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posted February 23, 2012 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for luckylucky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Everyone,

Hoping someone can help me with this question. I know that someone with a t-square always has to find an outlet in the opposing house. So for example, if the apex is the 3rd house, that person should look to the 9th house to balance the 3 legged table. My question is what would you tell someone who had a t-square with the apex in the 6th house? I would imagine we cannot tell them to go confine themselves or settle into an institution, all of which we associate with the 12th house. Since the 12th house is not the easiest house to be in, how would they find their outlet in order to balance their t-square?

Thanks all!

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posted February 23, 2012 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for luckylucky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just to be a little more specific, the T-square in question is Jupiter in the 6th squaring the Sun in the 9th and also squaring a Moon-Uranus conjunction in the 3rd.

Would appreciate any insights!

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SaggiMC
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posted February 23, 2012 04:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by luckylucky:
Hi Everyone,

Hoping someone can help me with this question. I know that someone with a t-square always has to find an outlet in the opposing house. So for example, if the apex is the 3rd house, that person should look to the 9th house to balance the 3 legged table. My question is what would you tell someone who had a t-square with the apex in the 6th house? I would imagine we cannot tell them to go confine themselves or settle into an institution, all of which we associate with the 12th house. Since the 12th house is not the easiest house to be in, how would they find their outlet in order to balance their t-square?

Thanks all!


don't think of a common T Square as wobbly or unbalanced...for a start

T Square http://www.drstandley.com/astrologycharts_tsquare.shtml
“Two planets in opposition squared to a third. The tension typical of the opposition aspect is aggravated by additional problems introduced by the third planet. Often an obstructive feature blocking the normal flow of behaviour of the person. Person needs to develop activities represented by the "missing" arm of the T-square to achieve wholeness” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natal_astrology#Aspect_patterns http://www.skyscript.co.uk/aspects2.html

“The t-square is exactly like the above configuration except that one of the signs is missing. Time and again this is described as trying to sit in a chair with three legs. Ironically, the individual becomes the fourth leg by acting out the traits which are missing in the chart.” http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/moreaspects2.htm

what tends to happen with T Squares is that a transit, progression or solar arc comes along and temporary converts it to a Grand Square, which does cause enormous tensions/problems internally, but the good thing is the get you up off your backside to resolve issues.

So look at the degrees of these planets espec apex and then look to the opp and using an ephmeris, look for transits that get to that degree. Or secondary progressions and/or solar arcs could well set off this into a grand square. Is it in fixed element, mutable or cardinal?

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posted February 24, 2012 05:05 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by luckylucky:
Just to be a little more specific, the T-square in question is Jupiter in the 6th squaring the Sun in the 9th and also squaring a Moon-Uranus conjunction in the 3rd.

Would appreciate any insights!


Do you want to post your chart?

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luckylucky
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posted February 24, 2012 07:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for luckylucky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
here you go! thank you so much saggi

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SaggiMC
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posted February 25, 2012 04:29 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well done for posting your chart.

If we look at the signs involved with the apex planet is pisces. do you identify with jupiter placed here?

anything around 22' virgo will set off your T Square into a grand square. Being in cadent house and involving the 12th may not be as damaging as other T Squares.

Houses: angular houses 1/7 4/10 the energies of planets placed here are obvious cos it's your 'shop window' visible for everyone to see. Next the succeedent houses 2/8 & 5/11 the energies in these houses are not in shop window the are in the shop, but stood behind the counter, ready to come out when needed. Lastly, cadent houses 6/12 & 3/9 these houses/planets are not in shop window or stood behind the counter, they are in the back storeroom and only come out when 'triggered' or an emergency and much harder to recognise and access...

The houses are like the backdrop of a stage, the setting if you like, the planets are like actors and the aspects are how the planets behave in that settings/stage....So remember you may find it harder to identify with planets and Saturn in this case in Cadent houses….

Now Beginning of Feb T Mars was doing this http://www.khaldea.com/kldaephem/2000/feb2012gmt.shtml
can you see this from the ephemeris?
So what happened around this time

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"Mars square/opposition Neptune
You may find that you are impatient with anything that feels ordinary, dull, too practical, or humdrum right now. You crave more glamor and drama in your life, and you might act on a whim now without considering the practical consequences. Avoid taking foolish risks, but do try to remove yourself from the regular routine or avoid scheduling important appointments or work if possible. http://www.cafeastrology.com/marstransits.html
"Mars square/opposition Uranus
You are more sensitive to, and frustrated by, anything that makes you feel stifled, restricted, oppressed, or restrained now. Your desire for independence or to feel unique and original is strongly stimulated, but you may not be going about it in the best manner. In fact, you might come across as rebellious, cantankerous, or hard to please. You may be especially impatient, impulsive, or prone to taking foolish risks. This stems from the desire to make changes in your life or to shake things up because you are sensitive to that which is boring, monotonous, or stale in your life." http://www.cafeastrology.com/marstransits.html

now mars opp jupiter may have boosted your confidence factor. mars square sun may have made you more assertive...

Have you researched you sun being a singleton yet?

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quite often when you have a singleton, you also get a lack of elements, but for a true lack we have to look for compensation factors, like planets in air houses and libra/air on asc which you have of course and 3planets in air house (3)

Hope this helps?

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luckylucky
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posted February 26, 2012 11:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for luckylucky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Saggi! Very helpful with the t-square explanation. However why would you consider the Sunin this case to be a singleton? I don't have access to the thread you posted but from what I know a singleton is a planet separate from others or making no aspects. In this case the sun makes aspects to other planets?

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posted February 26, 2012 04:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by luckylucky:
Thanks Saggi! Very helpful with the t-square explanation. However why would you consider the Sunin this case to be a singleton? I don't have access to the thread you posted but from what I know a singleton is a planet separate from others or making no aspects. In this case the sun makes aspects to other planets?

Thanks again!


don't confuse a singleton with an unaspected planet. It's usually in an element, fire, earth, air and water

Singleton planets
“If a planet happens to be the only one in an element, quality, or house type, that planet is a Singleton and it can funnel all of the “energy” of the horoscope. This planet is often the most important one in the horoscope. In other words, if you just interpret the position of this one planet by sign, house, and aspect, you will get to the “heart of the horoscope”. The effect is the same as if that planet were the only one on one side of the chart.” http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/13.0Singletons.htm http://www.astrologyclub.org http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/singleton.html http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-2334.html
(There is a book out by Shirley Lyons Meier, "Elemental Voids, More than Meets the Eye", which gives a good discussion of missing elements.) The Inferior Function can be a source of great motivation and creative expression. http://www.astrologyclub.org/articles/singletons/intro/singleton_intro.htm


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posted February 27, 2012 07:48 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by luckylucky:
Hi Everyone,

Hoping someone can help me with this question. I know that someone with a t-square always has to find an outlet in the opposing house. So for example, if the apex is the 3rd house, that person should look to the 9th house to balance the 3 legged table. My question is what would you tell someone who had a t-square with the apex in the 6th house? I would imagine we cannot tell them to go confine themselves or settle into an institution, all of which we associate with the 12th house. Since the 12th house is not the easiest house to be in, how would they find their outlet in order to balance their t-square?

Thanks all!


I see mercury rules your 12th and is posited in 10th, so research your house cusp rulers. Virgo is very much focused on details, very analytical quite often have a thing about health and hygeine to. So perhaps these are the qualities you need to develop. OR do you think you already have. With an Angular mercury, you may not have had much choice.

quote:

Ruler of the Twelfth House in the Tenth House

Any altruistic service that you perform will come before the public eye. You want to help others through your career or your position of authority and responsibility. You could experience a time of confusion and doubt about your career choices.
You may be called upon to forgive your father or some other primary authority figure. Too much emphasis on your worldly status can eventually work against you. Use whatever power you gain with wisdom and compassion. The world you create is the one you will also live in. http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houserulerships.htm#hr12


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Poupoupidou
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posted May 07, 2016 03:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Poupoupidou     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You can also find balance in a T-Square using the energy of the planet squaring the two other planets to fix their lack of balance.

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Aries23Degrees
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posted May 08, 2016 05:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have always thought that the tension caused by the T-square may have the individual go to the missing house without much provocation.

I have Moon(3rd), Mercury(9th), Mars(6th and apex planet). And I find myself going to the 12th house quite a bit.

It could be unconscious. Because I don't have any planets in the 12th. But I like spending time alone and being in quiet places that encourage introspection i.e temples, asylums,isolated areas, quiet neighborhoods, day-dreaming etc.

But then again, I do have Sun-Neptune conjunct. So that could also be it.

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