posted March 01, 2012 01:46 AM            

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Originally posted by hippichick:

And Saggies, no, heavens no. Love them to death, (ultra sensitive Pisces says )

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We love you too, gun-toting mama! hahah

RAS, I can be vindictive. But it has nothing to do with my Sag/Lib signs. If anything it's the signs keeping me from killing lmao.

The vindictive part of me is due to my hard Pluto aspect. And even then.. I usually lose interest and move on. I also don't know how to stay mad at someone long.

You'd really have to do something REALLY, REALLY awful towards me, AND not be remorseful. Then.. well, yes.. you'll be sorry. >=)

LOL

Ever heard of Bas Rutten's quote?

"I don't believe in an eye for an eye, I believe in TWO eyes for an eye." Yes, that's the hard Pluto aspect talking I think. lol

posted March 01, 2012 10:23 AM              

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Originally posted by racole12:
I have a Saggie Sun and Taurus Moon... I'm no where close to being vindictive. I just rather allow the universe take care of the person who treated me like **** , b/c I truly believe in karma.

But my parents are and it's a HUGE joke between us all. They have TONS of scorpio energy- 5 planets each in Scorpio.

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posted March 01, 2012 09:24 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
But i do think taurus is vindictive, though. Most taurus people i know are.

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posted March 01, 2012 09:34 PM            

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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
^ just cos sb doesn't forget a wrong doing doesn't make them vindictive. Vindictive refers to sb who is apt to seek revenge.

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posted March 01, 2012 09:40 PM            

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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
I always considered Sag's non vindictive cos they just aren't the types that get bogged down by things.

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posted March 02, 2012 12:21 AM            

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What do the textbook descriptions of Scorpio always say? That they'll hunt you down, and hack your computer, and be waiting in your shower with a knife for you when you get home and all the lights are off... but never in my life have I ever met a Scorpio like that. Maybe some will say I haven't met one that's truly cared about me, or maybe I've just been lucky but I have met Libras, and I have met Sagittarius' (both suns and moons in that case) and they are vindictive. It's just that they will a) NEVER admit to the slight, and b) With Libras it's more of a *** -for-tat thing, you know because they ARE about balance and Sagittarians will take it to the extremes until you've crawled up and burned into a pile of ashes from the inside out.

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posted March 02, 2012 12:24 AM            

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For Leo, alot of the time, if sb does sth bad to them it's an attack on their pride and what they do is cut them out of their life.

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Hannarama and I are always talking about this lol. But i think that leos will forgive you again and again until you havent taken the hint yet that they hate it when you criticize them, and then that's when they'll have the final straw and cut you out of their life. But, in general, I think leos are really forgiving and generous people. Well, except for Chavez and Fidel Castro haha.

posted March 02, 2012 12:30 AM            

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Ergh, I grind my teeth a little bit when people rush to blame their dark impulses on Scorpio. All signs have dark sides. I've met some SUPER-vindictive Libra individuals with no Scorpio influences; they were emotionally afflicted in other ways and it came out as a nearly psychotic need to balance the scales. (Please mind that I am talking about some individuals I've known, not saying every Libra does this.) Some of them could really give Scorpio a run for their money in the "eye for an eye" department.
I feel like a Water or even Fire sign MIGHT possibly be swayed to forgiveness if you present an emotional reason for what you did. Whereas whenever I've seen Libras in "you must pay for what you did" mode, they are all Air about it - very cold, very indifferent to emotion and human weakness, to the point of almost cruelty. They will often present themselves as super-rational about it, even when they aren't really. I had a Libra friend who would recount point-by-point every favor she had ever done for you and DEMAND!! to know why you didn't pay her back, although she tended to conveniently forget the favors YOU had done for her. She had difficulty expressing true kindness - any gift or favor she offered had strings attached, and at any time she might demand you restore the balance or else you were a horrible soulless friend.

Sorry, I don't mean to go in on Libra here. It just frustrates me that there are legitimately dark aspects to this sign (as there are with all signs) that get blamed on other signs/placements. I should maybe add that Libra also happens to be my Saturn sign, so these kinds of experiences activate all that Saturn "goodness" for me.

As for Sagittarius, my experience is that they'll blow up in your face and let you know *exactly* what their problem with you is, but then it's all over. This is my mother's sign, although it's possibly mitigated with a lot of Earth in her chart.

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My cousin is a libra and heartlessly vindictive. Like hannarama said, it's all about *** for tat. "it's not fair! it's a two way street! things should be equal between what i do for you and what you do for me" Is what I feel libras think most of the time. My cousin also has no scorpio placements or pluto aspects.

posted March 02, 2012 12:34 AM            

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Originally posted by RedScorp:
Yes ma'am! They may not act on it, but they'll remember it! That's what I find with Earth actually: they remember what has happened, even if they don't act on it.

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YEp! I agree.

I think holding grudges is very very similar to being vindictive. If somebody holds a grudge, they are very very likely to act revengeful in very small ways...just because they still have that grudge...so they may bring up what you did in conversation, they may refuse to do you a favor, they may be very distant on purpose..which many caps do.

So i think it's almost inevitable for someone who is holding a strong grudge against someone and hasnt forgiven them to subconsciously act in revengeful ways even if they dont really plan it out or mean to.

That's what redscorp is saying.

posted March 02, 2012 02:12 AM            

However, my two longest time friends are libras and i have yet to see them being irrational or conniving. One of them i have known for ages, and she is the one that has a tight pluto, mercury, venus (within 4 degrees) stellium. I imagine it takes a lot to tip the balance.

My mom is a taurus sun, libra moon and she can be super manipulative (not very good at it so its all the more noticeable), then again her NN is in scorpio, more power to her haha She makes people feel bad if they do not like her food, house, etc. She does it in a way thats says 'I tried very hard to make you happy and it hurts me a lot that you do not like it as much as i do'. BUT she is also very caring, very sensitive in general, and very sensitive to other peoples opinion of her as well, and she tries to please till she is completely worn out She does expect kindness to at least be remembered (and returned when it comes to those closest to her) and talked about for a while, but she is also very, very thoughtful and generous, she donates more to charity than anyone else i know and she lives a very modest lifestyle herself. I can totally see how she sometimes feels taken for granted, unappreciated, etc. One thing she doesn't do, is lie, unless she's good I hear her talk on the phone to people a lot and cannot recall her lying.

I personally stay away from people who do not trust me enough to be honest with me, and from those who are dishonest with others. People that lie DO hurt people and nothing is ever the same after. But there are two sides to every story, and i say that while standing by what i said earlier about that girl creating drama. And i also see a ton of ways my mom can handle her disappointments differently. But im sure she can say the same about some of the things i do yet i may not be aware of because its a deep part of who i am. We are all a reflection of one another though

posted March 02, 2012 02:32 AM            

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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
^ just cos sb doesn't forget a wrong doing doesn't make them vindictive. Vindictive refers to sb who is apt to seek revenge.

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posted March 02, 2012 05:59 AM            

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Ergh, I grind my teeth a little bit when people rush to blame their dark impulses on Scorpio. All signs have dark sides. I've met some SUPER-vindictive Libra individuals with no Scorpio influences; they were emotionally afflicted in other ways and it came out as a nearly psychotic need to balance the scales. (Please mind that I am talking about some individuals I've known, not saying every Libra does this.) Some of them could really give Scorpio a run for their money in the "eye for an eye" department.
I feel like a Water or even Fire sign MIGHT possibly be swayed to forgiveness if you present an emotional reason for what you did. Whereas whenever I've seen Libras in "you must pay for what you did" mode, they are all Air about it - very cold, very indifferent to emotion and human weakness, to the point of almost cruelty. They will often present themselves as super-rational about it, even when they aren't really. I had a Libra friend who would recount point-by-point every favor she had ever done for you and DEMAND!! to know why you didn't pay her back, although she tended to conveniently forget the favors YOU had done for her. She had difficulty expressing true kindness - any gift or favor she offered had strings attached, and at any time she might demand you restore the balance or else you were a horrible soulless friend.

Sorry, I don't mean to go in on Libra here. It just frustrates me that there are legitimately dark aspects to this sign (as there are with all signs) that get blamed on other signs/placements. I should maybe add that Libra also happens to be my Saturn sign, so these kinds of experiences activate all that Saturn "goodness" for me.

As for Sagittarius, my experience is that they'll blow up in your face and let you know *exactly* what their problem with you is, but then it's all over. This is my mother's sign, although it's possibly mitigated with a lot of Earth in her chart.

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posted March 02, 2012 06:45 AM            

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--I do that too.

However, I'm learning to talk to certain people. Not all, but special people that I really trust, and I that I know care. Had a great conversation with one yesterday where I finally just spilled out how much hate and resentment I had had towards this person, and it was beautiful and freeing. (I'll explain, I know that sounds weird).

I was calm, and simply explained why I had been hateful and resentful. Then I learned some new information--which I'm not allowed to repeat, so I will respect that confidence--and being able to talk to someone face-to-face and just get it out gently, honestly, openly was freeing. I feel like things are MUCH better. Now, I can't do this with every person, and frankly not every person is worth the effort or investment, but with high-quality people, I think that it's oddly a lovely and wonderful thing.

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posted March 02, 2012 06:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Lava Flower:
Geez, I wish I had the guts

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posted March 02, 2012 07:45 AM            

...to be honest, discussions like this are weird at a certain point. There is no objectivity in these sorts of discussions, and that is ok. But, our personal observations are never really enough to invalidate or validate anything about a sign because we are full of personal biases to individuals. How much can we blame on the sign and not the interpersonal dynamics (perhaps played out by aspects) at play in our relationships? How much of our own actions do we believe contribute to how vindictive or vengeful a person is, regardless of sun sign (of ALL things)?

I've not had a Scorpio be vindictive towards me, but I've seen them give other people hell. And that was mainly because I didn't do anything to 'grind their gears' so to speak. I'm mutable, so I can really go with the flow of whatever--most of the time. Generally speaking, it is something this sign is known for (though that doesn't mean it is true for all). I've also seen others retaliate against these individuals (and they were CLUELESS as to why they attacked/betrayed them).

Moreover, everyone gets a little "antsy" about saying Scorp. energy is vengeful/deadly/vindictive as a negative thing (which, I believe the energy by itself, is pretty useless without heightened awareness, honestly). But then the very next minute when people are talking about it as a a defense mechanism or self-protection, the VERY SAME TRAIT is viewed as something good, great and heralded as the trademark of the sign--the killer sting. But I've noticed this push and pull happens A LOT.

posted March 02, 2012 09:03 AM            

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Originally posted by WH0THATGiRRRL88:
Since you put it that way, (I guess) I have been vindictive at some point. For instance, I have a Leo friend that RARELY does any favors for me. Hell, I recall plenty of times when I paid for her way to get in to parties (or clubs) and gas. I swear this girl NEVER has any money (or is very cheap), so that's why I rarely hang out with her now. If I do go out with her, I act like I'm broke too (lol). I usually don't bring it to that person's attention. I normally go M.I.A on people who take advantage of me or treats me unfairly.

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I don't think this is called vindictive or holding a grudge at all!

Then again I'm very punctual and can't cope with people who demand an arm when you offer a hand in general.

I was in a situation where there was a leechy girl attached to me and my friends. She never keeps any promises of returning favors either. It's all take take take, and when we test her by asking her a favor, she'll always say no.

posted March 02, 2012 09:08 AM            

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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
--I do that too.

However, I'm learning to talk to certain people. Not all, but special people that I really trust, and I that I know care. Had a great conversation with one yesterday where I finally just spilled out how much hate and resentment I had had towards this person, and it was beautiful and freeing. (I'll explain, I know that sounds weird).

I was calm, and simply explained why I had been hateful and resentful. Then I learned some new information--which I'm not allowed to repeat, so I will respect that confidence--and being able to talk to someone face-to-face and just get it out gently, honestly, openly was freeing. I feel like things are MUCH better. Now, I can't do this with every person, and frankly not every person is worth the effort or investment, but with high-quality people, I think that it's oddly a lovely and wonderful thing.

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posted March 02, 2012 09:43 AM            

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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
--I do that too.

However, I'm learning to talk to certain people. Not all, but special people that I really trust, and I that I know care. Had a great conversation with one yesterday where I finally just spilled out how much hate and resentment I had had towards this person, and it was beautiful and freeing. (I'll explain, I know that sounds weird).

I was calm, and simply explained why I had been hateful and resentful. Then I learned some new information--which I'm not allowed to repeat, so I will respect that confidence--and being able to talk to someone face-to-face and just get it out gently, honestly, openly was freeing. I feel like things are MUCH better. Now, I can't do this with every person, and frankly not every person is worth the effort or investment, but with high-quality people, I think that it's oddly a lovely and wonderful thing.

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posted March 02, 2012 10:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Alma Sun:

We love you too, gun-toting mama! hahah

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posted March 02, 2012 10:33 AM            

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Originally posted by pandacake:
I don't think this is called vindictive or holding a grudge at all!

Then again I'm very punctual and can't cope with people who demand an arm when you offer a hand in general.

I was in a situation where there was a leechy girl attached to me and my friends. She never keeps any promises of returning favors either. It's all take take take, and when we test her by asking her a favor, she'll always say no.

When a friend tried to point out her behaviour is really not okay, she went all self pitying and called her "vindictive" and a "backstabber" for remembering she didn't keep her promises. -_-

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posted March 02, 2012 11:27 AM              

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I mean...

...to be honest, discussions like this are weird at a certain point. There is no objectivity in these sorts of discussions, and that is ok. But, our personal observations are never really enough to invalidate or validate anything about a sign because we are full of personal biases to individuals. How much can we blame on the sign and not the interpersonal dynamics (perhaps played out by aspects) at play in our relationships? How much of our own actions do we believe contribute to how vindictive or vengeful a person is, regardless of sun sign (of ALL things)?

I've not had a Scorpio be vindictive towards me, but I've seen them give other people hell. And that was mainly because I didn't do anything to 'grind their gears' so to speak. I'm mutable, so I can really go with the flow of whatever--most of the time. Generally speaking, it [b]is something this sign is known for (though that doesn't mean it is true for all). I've also seen others retaliate against these individuals (and they were CLUELESS as to why they attacked/betrayed them).

Moreover, everyone gets a little "antsy" about saying Scorp. energy is vengeful/deadly/vindictive as a negative thing (which, I believe the energy by itself, is pretty useless without heightened awareness, honestly). But then the very next minute when people are talking about it as a a defense mechanism or self-protection, the VERY SAME TRAIT is viewed as something good, great and heralded as the trademark of the sign--the killer sting. But I've noticed this push and pull happens A LOT.

...could easily have to do with how you are treating them, which puts the focus on your actions, rather than anothers responsiveness. I've noticed astrology is very useful to some and detrimental to others. It is a bit of a struggle to unify how it helps us become more aware of 'other(s)' and apply that same rule to 'self' especially with regard to interpersonal interactions.[/B]

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EXCELLENT RESPONSE see most people around here who post generic type questions are sooo subjective inanyevent.

Just seems to me that members only thrive on superficial such as this OR the majority being *relationship* type questions. In fact I'm 99% convinced the majority here are 'obsessed' and you never see any other type of question in PR forum either. It's so depressing I may have leave for my own sanity soon....

just depressingly...