posted February 28, 2012 08:48 PM            

For the record, one of the libras had taurus moon and scorpio mercury with cancer asc. The other libra had either sag or scorpio moon with pisces asc, the last libra had scorpio moon and leo rising, and the sagittarius had scorpio moon with gemini rising.

posted February 28, 2012 10:03 PM            

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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
[B] For Leo, alot of the time, if sb does sth bad to them it's an attack on their pride and what they do is cut them out of their life.

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Kinda like banishing them from the palace haha!

fixed signs r like that i think. no idea if aqua does that.

taurus just remembers. so they might if given the chance.

for a scorpio to take revenge you hafta get under their skin 1st and then betray them.

posted February 28, 2012 10:50 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
just something i have observed in these signs, but fail to see in scorpio suns! lol

For the record, one of the libras had taurus moon and scorpio mercury with cancer asc. The other libra had either sag or scorpio moon with pisces asc, the last libra had scorpio moon and leo rising, and the sagittarius had scorpio moon with gemini rising.

So i guess it's taurus and scorpio moons who are pretty vindictive..haha

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posted February 28, 2012 11:15 PM            

In my experience, I believe libra moons have the potential to be the most vindictive (note the operative word here is potential), as libra could do anything it wants, as long as it's justified. If they seek to justify anything they want, watch out.

Really, any sign has the potential to be vindictive. It just comes down to how it's done and to what level of depth.

posted February 29, 2012 12:34 AM            

I still think something about Vedic and Western astrology intertwine. Running with that theory, YES Libras and Sagittariuses are vindictive - just not outwardly so. YES, it has to do with houses and aspects and blah blah blah - skip that. Notice what do both these signs have in common? Scorpio! What do the textbook descriptions of Scorpio always say? That they'll hunt you down, and hack your computer, and be waiting in your shower with a knife for you when you get home and all the lights are off... but never in my life have I ever met a Scorpio like that. Maybe some will say I haven't met one that's truly cared about me, or maybe I've just been lucky but I have met Libras, and I have met Sagittarius' (both suns and moons in that case) and they are vindictive. It's just that they will a) NEVER admit to the slight, and b) With Libras it's more of a *** -for-tat thing, you know because they ARE about balance and Sagittarians will take it to the extremes until you've crawled up and burned into a pile of ashes from the inside out.

posted February 29, 2012 02:14 AM            

My best friend who is a Libra sun and mars, virgo moon, scorpio mercury and venus conjunct pluto tight. And i have seen her go after people who have wronged her, and especially those who have wronged those close to her. I personally believe it was justified every time even though im not like that at all.

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I have also been looking at Vedic vs. western sings and i discovered that their description of Libra is very similar to that of tropical Scorpio, yet most of the tropical Libra placements move over to Virgo in Vedic. In fact their descriptions of ALL the signs are different so they cannot be applied the way may think they should because they represent very different characteristics. So perhaps its aspects to the planetary placements that contribute to vindictive behavior, heavy Pluto and water placements. Water mercury, water in aspect to Pluto, moon in aspect to Pluto etc.
http://shamanicastrology.com/archives/92

I have fount this article very informative in regards to Vedic vs. Tropical

posted February 29, 2012 03:39 AM            

Of course if they have strong water placements I can see the above being slightly "tweaked". But still the Sag essence is really not one to be vindictive. Personally, with a lot of earth and a fixed t-sq and I STILL am saved by my Sag sun, i.e. I truly can't hold a grudge. It's gone as quickly as it showed up. Life is too short for that cr*p.

posted February 29, 2012 06:58 AM            

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Originally posted by tautomer4314:
Scorpio moons will idealize being vindictive and getting revenge on those who cross them. In the end though, scorpio moons are quite sensitive, more then they want to admit . Thus they easily buckle under emotional pressure (I know I do). You poke them wrong though, then, well, all hell will break loose.

In my experience, I believe libra moons have the potential to be the most vindictive (note the operative word here is potential), as libra could do anything it wants, as long as it's justified. If they seek to justify anything they want, watch out.

Really, any sign has the potential to be vindictive. It just comes down to how it's done and to what level of depth.

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posted February 29, 2012 07:20 AM            

I feel like a Water or even Fire sign MIGHT possibly be swayed to forgiveness if you present an emotional reason for what you did. Whereas whenever I've seen Libras in "you must pay for what you did" mode, they are all Air about it - very cold, very indifferent to emotion and human weakness, to the point of almost cruelty. They will often present themselves as super-rational about it, even when they aren't really. I had a Libra friend who would recount point-by-point every favor she had ever done for you and DEMAND!! to know why you didn't pay her back, although she tended to conveniently forget the favors YOU had done for her. She had difficulty expressing true kindness - any gift or favor she offered had strings attached, and at any time she might demand you restore the balance or else you were a horrible soulless friend.

She was particularly afflicted, her mother acted exactly the same way. It was kind of sad. Her Libra sense of balance plus low self-esteem meant that she could only conceive of friendship as a very, very literal game of give-and-take. I mean, all friendships are give-and-take, but she kept score down to the decimal point. I know she only got angry and lashed out for "balance" because her self-esteem was very fragile. Still...

Sorry, I don't mean to go in on Libra here. It just frustrates me that there are legitimately dark aspects to this sign (as there are with all signs) that get blamed on other signs/placements. I should maybe add that Libra also happens to be my Saturn sign, so these kinds of experiences activate all that Saturn "goodness" for me.

posted February 29, 2012 08:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Malena:

[..]I feel like a Water or even Fire sign MIGHT possibly be swayed to forgiveness if you present an emotional reason for what you did.[...]

[...]in "you must pay for what you did" mode, they are all Air about it - very cold, very indifferent to emotion and human weakness [...]

[...]As for Sagittarius, my experience is that they'll blow up in your face and let you know *exactly* what their problem with you is, but then it's all over. This is my mother's sign, although it's possibly mitigated with a lot of Earth in her chart. [...]

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I am a strange combination of all of these things. Sag sun, Libra rising, mars in Libra, Pluto/Merc./SN in Scorp. If people give me a solid, genuine emotional reason for doing something I am VERY QUICK to completely let it go and even feel emotional for them. If you act as if you didn't do anything, I will completely go cold. Not in a vindictive way--I just shut off (but I also have some aspect with my moon that gives me this ability). It is not about 'you' but about my protecting my...hmm...balance and emotional harmony. But understand, it takes SOOOO much to make me do this. It has to be repetitive, nonstop hypocrisy and disrespect.

I RARELY act on feelings of revenge. I might think about it, of course. The only time I've gone into 'you must pay mode' was a few weeks ago dealing with a Leo (and I love Leos suns, btw). Needless to say, she will never, ever cross me again. It wasn't revenge...no, not at all...

...it was more of having to bring down a racist, discriminating, self-righteous, hypocritical _____ to earth. I acted as if she didn't exist--literally. I ONLY stopped because I could feel she was really remorseful, and was actually being hurt by my indifference--which I did NOT like and did not want to be a part of...doesn't make sense, I guess, but it is how I felt. I will say that for the first time I was approaching a mode of revenge I've never 'acted' on before. It actually scared me, a little. I realized that is 'not' who I am, and I have to be in control of my responses to people no matter how awful they are. It gave me an opportunity to address how I handle anger, fear, hurt and my own ego dealings.

I am one of the nicest people on earth. But I have 'one hell of a sting' as I read in a report about people with SN in Scorpio. It just takes so much to get me there, so I have rarely used that against people, because it feels abusive (to self and to other). Even with the lady I'm describing above, I just went cold on her. I didn't attack [read: seek and destroy]--I easily could have, though. What will Libra and Sag say it is not worth it and walk away (albeit freezing cold, lol).

Don't know how helpful this will be, but there you go!

posted February 29, 2012 10:26 AM            

One lady, one gentleman...

Generally speaking, I just can not deal with the Libra energy, (was married to one and he enacted the most vindictive act of all, killing himself in spite of me...)

I have known a few Aqua vindictors, Gem, no, but surely, maybe it is an Air quality~

Just asked my Aqua daughter, she says probably not so vindictive but arrogant and concieded. lol!

posted February 29, 2012 05:44 PM              

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
just something i have observed in these signs, but fail to see in scorpio suns! lol

For the record, one of the libras had taurus moon and scorpio mercury with cancer asc. The other libra had either sag or scorpio moon with pisces asc, the last libra had scorpio moon and leo rising, and the sagittarius had scorpio moon with gemini rising.

So i guess it's taurus and scorpio moons who are pretty vindictive..haha

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instead of guessing Sun signs or Asc Signs, you should be looking towards generic *ASPECTS* that could describe this behaviour.

Every sign is quite capable of bad behaviour...

The point you seem to be missing here is Saggi and libra.... what is inbetween these two??? SCORPIO. They are the MOST vindicative signs going......

Now as mercury can ONLY be upto one sign away from your sun sign and Venus can ONLY be upto two signs away from your sun sign, it's VERY likely that either Saggi or Libra have something in Scorpio.... simples..

posted February 29, 2012 06:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Fleurdelis:
Female mars Signs are vindictive way more!
Libra and sags don't purposely hurt others for self gain

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Yup! Agreed, for me personally. I've had some grimy things done to me and completely walked away from it knowing the people were 'waiting' for me to be vindictive and vengeful--"because it is normal" they felt.