posted March 01, 2012 01:04 PM            

As I do charts I have certain questions in the back of mind. What is empathy and how does it show in the chart? One woman was raised by a sociopath mother but retained empathy although she did go into a shell. She has one Jupiter square with Neptune. Jupiter is in the 10th house and Neptune is in the 1st. Neptune may fog her ability to see herself clearly Jupiter in the 10th would show good fortune with career and society which is true. However, the square could show that she could not see herself .The square my make her lack of a solid identity interfere with the good fortune she could access in career if she had a stronger sense of self. That would be one way to look at this square. Back to empathy, this woman retained empathy. She has a water moon. Water is a natural sensitivity. For those with a Cancer or a Pisces moon it would be hard for them not to have empathy. They were born to feel. The moon is the planet of the deepest heart.Cancer is the best place for the moon. Pisces is a very sensitive moon.It’s problem is that it is too sensitive. These natives feel too much, as if they live with a permanently itchy sweater. I am not very familiar with Scorpio moon, as I have my first two Scorpio Moon friends now. Scorpio moon feels a tremendous amount.It is very very intuitive.However, it may be able to shut it off and armor himself. As such, he may be able to shut off the natural empathy of the water moon. I need to study this one, as I am not sure.

Back to Jupiter. The sociopath mother has 4 hard aspects to Jupiter. The hard aspects are in red. The easy aspects are in blue. The mother has Jupiter opposite Uranus. Uranus loves to shock. The mother loved to shock. One has to be careful with Uranus. One primary aspect for mental illness is Uranus in hard aspect to Mercury, in my opinion. The person may be a genius. The person often is. However, the price is high. Uranus conjunct Mercury is an example of a conjunction being a hard aspect. I know a totally brilliant man with this but the price on his mental health is not worth the genius. Mercury square Uranus is very hard on one’s mind. One is brilliant but can lose hold of one’s mind as Uranus is THE wild card of the Zodiac. Picture the Joker in Batman. Think of how unpredictable he was. That is Uranus.One minute, he is charming.The next, he has a knife to someone’s throat. Mercury is one’s thinking. You can see the dilemma when the planet of eccentricity is next to the planet of the mind. A person with hard Uranus/Mercury aspects needs to be forewarned of this. That is the best antidote.

Back to my question. A person with little empathy would need a very stressed Jupiter plus other aspects for struggles with mental health such as hard Uranus/mercury aspects in order to actually act out his lack of conscience. Another primary aspect for struggles with emotional and mental health is Neptune in hard aspect to Mercury and the Sun. Neptune dissolves what it touches. This can produce great creativity. However, it can show a weakening of one’s hold on reality. Neptune in hard aspect to the Sun is classic for addictions. Neptune in hard aspect to Mercury is classic for the mind going outside of normal boundaries. This can produce creative genius or a loosening of the grips on reality. Hence, when looking at Jupiter and how a blunted empathy may play out, one must include Neptune/Mercury/Sun. I humbly put this forth as some of my ideas from working on charts.It is not a doctrine. I am young to Astrology. I have studied for almost three years.Please , keep that in mind when I write about very sensitive subjects such as mental and emotional health.

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posted March 01, 2012 01:08 PM            

Jupiter, Mars, Mercury in close conj, in Aqua, opposed to Uranus in Leo, squared by my Taurus moon...(all within a degree or so..)

And all closely aspecting my Scorp asc.

I have too much empathy, inherantly, but on the otherhand, I am so very willing to say

"You can go you own way...."

Am I the devil in disguise? The best and worst of both worlds?

While I feel...and boy do I feel, I am the first one to say...

"fix yourself..."

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posted March 01, 2012 01:46 PM            

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Originally posted by ariesdragon:
My Jupiter trines Venus, mercury & moon I'm glad for the easy aspects.

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Yep,ariesdragon you seem like you have a very good conscience!

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posted March 01, 2012 01:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Yep,ariesdragon you seem like you have a very good conscience!

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posted March 01, 2012 02:00 PM            

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Originally posted by ariesdragon:
Thank you Amianne I really do I love positivity. I know the red flags now and I am very careful with whom I associate with. Good article btw! Writing is something I enjoy doing also. Keep up the good work xx hugs!

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Thank you. I channel these articles as if an Unseen Hand talks through me lol

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posted March 01, 2012 02:07 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Empathy is Moon's domain.

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posted March 01, 2012 02:16 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Empathy is Moon's domain.

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Not just moon. Moon is our emotional intuitive nature. Remember planets are modified by signs, where they express are houses and how they express are *aspects*

Now having pisces Asc or sun/moon/soft netpune aspects would have the same effect

In fact all the water signs are 'tea and sympathy' signs..

posted March 01, 2012 02:16 PM            

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Originally posted by mercuranian:
i must say[b] i dont agree with uranus mercury hard aspects making one mentally ill. these people are simply unable to be brainwashed or conditioned to mass societal programming. people without this aspect, or who dont understand what that means might call that mentally ill. personally, i find hard neptune aspects far more frightening. uranus equals truth, neptune equals deception.
anyway, i have moon and mercury in hard aspect to uranus. ive always been empathetic. painfully so.
my jupiter is in the 7th.[/B]

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No, I don't either, where have you read this?
mercury hard aspect uranus has a very quick mind and poss speech patterns. Could be good at maths and science, have flashes of insights into things, but it's whether you can ground and do anything with it. It can also lean towards argementativeness, like mars/mercury hard aspects..

Ami, you seem to be describing someone's chart but haven't posted the chart???

posted March 01, 2012 02:23 PM            

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Originally posted by anongrl10:
I thought so too.
Ami, what do you think about the Moon in relation to empathy?

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The moon will interplay with Jupiter in terms of the net result of degrees of empathy imo

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posted March 01, 2012 02:27 PM            

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Originally posted by mercuranian:
i must say i dont agree with uranus mercury hard aspects making one mentally ill. these people are simply unable to be brainwashed or conditioned to mass societal programming. people without this aspect, or who dont understand what that means might call that mentally ill. personally, i find hard neptune aspects far more frightening. uranus equals truth, neptune equals deception.
anyway, i have moon and mercury in hard aspect to uranus. ive always been empathetic. painfully so.
my jupiter is in the 7th.

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posted March 01, 2012 02:29 PM            

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Originally posted by hippichick:

If hard aspceted Mercury was the cause of mental illness, I would have been in the looney bin, years ago...probably at my birth~

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posted March 01, 2012 02:30 PM            

With empathy--it is a complex function and involves many parts.It is not simply the moon.It is not simply Jupiter.

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posted March 01, 2012 03:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Anyway--if anyone has a Jupiter with 3-4 or more hard aspects, please come and talk about it!

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posted March 01, 2012 04:13 PM            

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Originally posted by inthemisosoup:
I have an afflicted Jupiter but I am sooo empathetic and have too much conscious and empathy, even for people who don't deserve it. Then again I am a Pisces moon, and my Jupiter conjuncts it.

My Jupiter is conjunct my Mars and Moon, trines Venus and Pluto, but squares my Sun, Uranus, and Saturn. I think it is my most aspected planet. Jupiter is in Pisces in the first house.

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You have all positive aspects --trines. The Pisces moon con Jup shows super empathy xxx

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