posted March 11, 2012 03:28 AM            

There is no one single aspect that denotes this for me. It's a combination of all the effects in my chart. One major piece though is having mercury in gemini in the 8th.

posted March 11, 2012 04:12 AM            

I usually just say - everyone lies.. It seems to be the general consensus.
Personally - I have no moral drawbacks about lying, if it is just something that benefits me - or that I find 'easier'... and if it does not harm anyone else. For example - saying 'I have a headache' so I won't meet up with someone.. rather than telling them "I just don't feel like seeing you right now."
My Merc is in Pisces.

A world without lies and without role-playing would be such a sad & angry place.

Anything you choose to do at all - can be a negative thing or a positive thing or it can be completely neutral and meaningless.

posted March 11, 2012 04:15 AM            

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but I don't like it...

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Why?

I'm so baffled when someone says this.

posted March 11, 2012 04:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Why?

I'm so baffled when someone says this.

I gave an example on a past thread with a murderer asking someone for the whereabouts of his next victim. Would you really feel guilty about lying to the murderer in this situation?
I mean - who the he*ll cares?

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See, I don't like to lie either. I get a satisfaction out of duping people because it allows me to feel strong and cunning. The problem is that is morally bad. Why? Because it can cause them harm in some way. The only time lying is justified in my mind is if the ends justify the means and anyone involved will not be harmed in any way shape or form.

Lying isn't an inheriently bad thing, but it often can be.

posted March 11, 2012 04:35 AM            

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lying is justified in my mind is if the ends justify the means and anyone involved will not be harmed in any way shape or form.

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From my perspective lying is always justified if anyone involved will not be harmed in any way shape or form. I agree to this part.

The ends justifying the means - is not an issue for me.. because i don't see lying as inherently immoral, unless it causes harm.

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Lying isn't an inheriently bad thing, but it often can be.

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Why are you saying 'often' though?
I would've thought it is the other way around. That it is *rarer* for it to be a negative thing - and that *often* it is completely harmless... no one finds out about it, no one cares and no one is affected.

IMO a great majority of lies told by people on a day to day basis, would be just like my - "I have a headache" lie - above.

posted March 11, 2012 05:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Actually Tautomer - would you say lying is a negative thing more often than - telling the truth is a negative thing?
Both can cause harm.

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In my opinion and in my experience, lying has a higher satistical chance of causing harm then does of telling the truth. Of course both can cause harm, but the damage done by lying can (and often is) more severe from what I have seen.

posted March 11, 2012 05:15 AM            

Lying is incorrect or false information. That information can lead to mistakes an error, which will often cause problems.

The truth is correct information. If bad results occur from that then it is the users fault, not the information itself.

Seeing that I abhor errors, it's only natural I see lying in a rather negative light.

Another thing that bothers the crap out of me is when someone "lies to protect me". If I find out that someone has done that to me it will make my blood boil. My father used to do that to me ALL the time when I was little and to this day I am still angry about it.

posted March 11, 2012 05:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Dreaming111:
SaggiMC taught me that Mercury square mars was one:

This is an article about that: http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/abe89a71-84ab-4fc6-9260-9041edb82fe1

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posted March 11, 2012 06:47 AM            

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posted March 11, 2012 01:05 PM            

1. It may be easy to do, but generally people catch on to the silly lies we tell. Even if it's a mere headache. Instead it would have been better that you told hte person you felt blah or coud not go out aka because you did not feel up to it.

When you tell someone that wants to go out with you that you have a headache and that person is important to semi important person in your life, you end up causing suspicion that never bodes well for any relationship.

Eventually, that person will start to give up on you, and think that you are a bit selfish for refusing when you want but asking them out when you want. It can't always be about you.

Also, that person will spread the news about you. This brings me to my second point.

2. You lose credibility with people. That stuff is **** hard to earn back and you kinda live in a pathetic manner. Why should they believe you when you're telling the truth then? You didn't give them anything to
go on. ...."Well if she lies to me about something so insignificant, then...what else can she lie about?" When dealing with other people credibility and reliability is the currency without which you really can't forge deep relationships.

3. You become annoying. Why? Because little white lies still make you a liar when people catch on and they always do. It's annoying to have to look at someone and wonder what they really mean.

4. To people that you want in life, lying is simply a waste of time. It actually pushes people away from you. Think about it. Can't someone that you lie to about your headache also wonder about when you're telling the truth, whether you lie about other issues. And who honestly wants to be around a person that lies about every little thing? Who really wants to sit there and decode what you mean? Most people would say, "Well you can play that silly little game by yourself." Fact is they may also decide to stay away from you.

(I'm gonna clean up this Post, but I had to spill it outhtere before I forgot.)

posted March 11, 2012 01:07 PM            

Yet, it's not something that I rely on daily.

posted March 11, 2012 02:00 PM            

I'm pretty sure that Neptune Square Mercury is a fundamental lying aspect. However, watch closely for Neptune Squares to Moon, Venus and Mars. I read a few websites that a Square to Venus means a philanderer. A Square to Moon denotes deception to emotions and. Square to Mars is deception in actions.

posted March 11, 2012 02:13 PM            

One of my favourite quotes,

posted March 11, 2012 07:47 PM            

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posted March 11, 2012 08:50 PM            

Dreaming - I think you are talking about a liar who goes overboard.. I mean as I was saying, everyone *does* lie. That doesn't mean they lie all the time to the point of acquiring a reputation for lying more than the rest of the population.

posted March 11, 2012 09:27 PM            

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Originally posted by alaz7200:
I have found the signs of Gemini and Pisces to be synonymous with liars. The Moon in either sign, especially, is prone to to lying unless aspected by more righteous signs like Sagittarius, Taurus or Leo.

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Woah woah woah. I've got Capricorn and Saturn all over me. WTF you saying? How do you get off making that sweeping generalization??!! I'm a Gemini Moon and so is my wife. I'm a Pisces Ascendant. You better have some basis to back up your wild a$$ sweeping statement!!