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Ami Anne
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posted March 11, 2012 06:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have noticed the same weird relationship trend when Chiron has a close conjunction to a personal planet in synastry. These have all been platonic male or female friendships. It gets close REALLY fast as if you found your best friend. Then, it breaks off from a misunderstanding and can NEVER get back. Sometimes the misunderstanding is very small and should be nothing but the relationships vanishes as quickly as it got close initially.
If you have not had it, watch Chiron in any relationship.

If you have experience, please share!

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posted March 11, 2012 07:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When Chiron Touches a Planet/Asteroid in Synastry
By amiann | Published: January 14, 2012 |

This is a purely amazing subject.I am talking from my own personal experience, as well as the many charts I have done. Chiron is a weird-o. If I see Chiron coming in synastry, I hold my breath. Chiron will usually follow the same path, such that I know what he is up to, by now. I will try to explain what I have observed with Chiron in synastry. Please, add any comments yea or nay, as always. The planet person,usually, comes to the Chiron person for healing. The myth of Chiron is that of the wounded healer. Chiron can heal others from his wound, but he can never heal, himself. It is a sad story, as are most of the myths. However, the myths ring true . That is why they are so poignant.

In one chart, the mother’s Aqua Sun and mercury were an exact conjunction with the daughters Chiron. True to the myth, the mother wanted the daughter to parent her, guide her, and heal her. The daughter was a child and unable . The mother was very angry, as she thought it was her due, from being a mother. The relationship between mother and daughter was very hard. Ultimately, as happens with most Chiron relationships, it was too painful and broke apart to nothingness.

In another relationship between two girlfriends, they got close very fast, as is the case with Chiron. They felt they had found their best friend. It was wonderfully close, for as long as it lasted. There was an unusual depth and connection. There seems to be a loyalty,too. While the Chiron relationship lasts, it can be very positive. It can fill a void for each person. It can provide an intense connection which acts for the good of both people. In other words, it can be very positive while it lasts. However, when it breaks apart, that can be expected. When that happens, one must celebrate what was and let the person go. In the latter, it was an exact Venus/ Chiron conjunction in synastry.

Another example is a platonic male/female relationship. His mars was conjunct her Chiron. Again, they got very close, very fast. It was wonderfully healing, for as long as it lasted. Then, there was a small misunderstanding and it split apart, as fast as it had come together.

The strangest one was between two girlfriends.One girl’s Nessus was conjunct the other’s Chiron. The strangeness of the aspect, exactly, mirrored the strangeness of the relationship, from beginning to end. They started off as close friends. Then, they became bitter enemies. Then, they became very close, in the best friends way that is classic with Chiron. Then, the split apart over a small misunderstanding which was impossible to resolve, even though it should have been easy. The Nessus/ Chiron one was the strangest in that the Chiron person dropped off the face of the earth to the Nessus person, who had been her closest friend, just before. However, due to the intensity of each planet/ asteroid, one would expect such a bizarre course of events.

I will mention the North Node and Chiron, here., even though I talked about it in a separate article.This one must be stated, as Chiron will become the theme of the relationship. If a married couple has one person’s Chiron conjunct another’s North Node, there will be a pain theme in the relationship. Chiron, by nature, cannot heal. As such, there will be an open wound as the core of the relationship. This is very sad.
I have guidelines for any Chiron relationships. One must give a lot of space to each other, if the relationship is to last. Can it last? I don’t know . I know that NN/ Chiron can last, but one will be well versed in pain, as a result.

A wonderful Astrologer, Ceridwen, , just added this. It was too marvelous, not to share.
Yes, Chiron is strange.
But in a strange way it is also deep soulstuff, I find that it renders someone completely vulnerable. As if you had shed every protective skin, and you can only hope the other one will not hurt you so much, that it might destroy you. Sort of like your core lies totally open, and you don`t have any kind of defenses.

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Chiron In Synastry
By Ami | Published: August 14, 2011

Chiron in synastry i. e. in the chart of the relationship, is a very strange thing. When I see my Chiron touching another person or vice -versa, I brace myself. Something strange is going to happen. This can be a male or a female. I have to laugh, now, because this has happened with every Chiron relationship I have ever had except for one. The relationship feels very close. You feel as if you have known the person for a very, long time. Then, something small will happen, usually, to make the whole relationship break up and it never comes back.

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posted March 11, 2012 08:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I have noticed the same weird relationship trend when Chiron has a close conjunction to a personal planet in synastry. These have all been platonic male or female friendships. It gets close REALLY fast as if you found your best friend. Then, it breaks off from a misunderstanding and can NEVER get back. Sometimes the misunderstanding is very small and should be nothing but the relationships vanishes as quickly as it got close initially.
If you have not had it, watch Chiron in any relationship.

If you have experience, please share!


Maybe it is BECAUSE in Chiron-conjunctions one or both people are so extremely vulnerable and defenceless in their openness, that a seemingly trivial misunderstanding can cause much deeper wounds than it usually would.

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posted March 11, 2012 08:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Man I am SO upset. I think it happened again. Get this Ceri? I have one place in my chart which is super pivotal. I realized that as I am going through another Chiron relationship crisis lol

OK--I have Chiron conj Pholus which means I will explode my pain. No comment

However, I found that my name asteroid was on that also!

That is not the end of it. My mother has an Aqua Sun conj Mercury at the exact degree--a casimi.

This Casimi conjuncts my Chiron/Pholus/name asteroid in the 4th house.

Well, that is a very sore place for me. Look and see if you have sore places in the chart Ceri.

But, to get back to my friend. HIS Jupiter conjunts that whole mess lol

We had a misunderstanding and I think he wrote me off.

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posted March 11, 2012 08:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Where is your Chiron, Ami?

Mine is the tightest aspect in my chart, that I remember - conjunct Sun, Ceres, and more widely with Mercury. The guy I knew who was born on the same day as me, has apparently been withdrawn for a while now, but he hadn't been affected by life experiences in the way that I had, when I knew him. (different ascendants, but with the same conjunction to his Sun, his sense of self seemed fine, whereas mine had been battered). He's also the one who asked me out starting with, "I heard you had a crush on me." My heart sank as my spine straightened, and I said it wasn't true. I lied, but also told the truth, because my crush evaporated when he couldn't as me out as though he actually wanted to go out with me.

My Ceres/Chiron/Sun is conjunct that of a whole bunch of people my age. Those a few years older than me, have their Chirons conjunct my Mercury, and those a few years younger have it conjunct my descendant. Eight years younger (I guess) would be conjunct my Moon/Venus/South Node. I'm not awake, just typing and thinking here. I'm hugely sensitive, and realized that I'm always expecting a knife, even from people who seem genuine. I can relax for a while, but will then get that feeling again. I hate it. I wasn't born that way, though.

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posted March 11, 2012 08:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:
Where is your Chiron, Ami?

Mine is the tightest aspect in my chart, that I remember - conjunct Sun, Ceres, and more widely with Mercury. The guy I knew who was born on the same day as me, has apparently been withdrawn for a while now, but he hadn't been affected by life experiences in the way that I had, when I knew him. (different ascendants, but with the same conjunction to his Sun, his sense of self seemed fine, whereas mine had been battered). He's also the one who asked me out starting with, "I heard you had a crush on me." My heart sank as my spine straightened, and I said it wasn't true. I lied, but also told the truth, because my crush evaporated when he couldn't as me out as though he actually wanted to go out with me.

My Ceres/Chiron/Sun is conjunct that of a whole bunch of people my age. Those a few years older than me, have their Chirons conjunct my Mercury, and those a few years younger have it conjunct my descendant. Eight years younger (I guess) would be conjunct my Moon/Venus/South Node. I'm not awake, just typing and thinking here. I'm hugely sensitive, and realized that I'm always expecting a knife, even from people who seem genuine. I can relax for a while, but will then get that feeling again. I hate it. I wasn't born that way, though.



Teasel have you ever looked at your asteroids? Your life has been a Greek Myth as has mine.
The asteroids would show all! xx

For me--My Chiron is 4 Aqua in the 4th House. This friend was so uplifting to me. I am begging him to come back as of now

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Don't beg! I know that's easy for me to say with a situation that isn't my own, but you tend to make everything your own fault in these relationships. I was taught to be that way for too long (not by family, but others).

I see where my own confidence - or lack thereof - has affected me my entire life. It's sad when you look back and realize how much power you've given away.

Do you remember when you were writing a lot about your pain, and people were funny with you? I understood you'd finally found a place in which you thought you could explore these things. Something cracked open in you,. the same thing happened to me, only I've been feeling like I'm cracking up - tranisting Chiron was square my Moon/Venus/Nodes, trine Uranus/ascendant, and conjunct Mars. Just *one* description described me - the square to my Moon - let alone the rest. I started to spill over things big and small. I found it embarrassing, since I tend to keep things to myself, but you find out who you're friends are. Again: if my confidence/self-esteem had been stronger, I wouldn't be feeling the way I have been, but sometimes that isn't your fault - I don't know how you're supposed to feel good about yourself in all that.

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posted March 11, 2012 08:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And I will repeat: don't beg!

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posted March 11, 2012 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Teasel have you ever looked at your asteroids? Your life has been a Greek Myth as has mine.
The asteroids would show all! xx

For me--My Chiron is 4 Aqua in the 4th House. This friend was so uplifting to me. I am begging him to come back as of now



Your Chiron squares my Uranus/ascendant, and trines my Moon/Venus/South Node. It's also in my 3rd - a house of communication.

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posted March 11, 2012 09:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami,

I have a friend, whose Chiron on 8 Pisces is conjunct my PHOLUS (6), CERES (9) and Jupiter (11).

We`ve known each other for 9 years; it is an email friendship as she lives in Sweden, and we met for two trips to Paris and London. Still, even after 9 years, we are still exchanging emails like crazy, at least 2 emails each person, every week (if we only get one per week of each other, we get worried ).
By now we must have written several thousands pages, and I am not exaggerating. Printing out an average mail, I am having at least 3-5 pages in my hand. lol

We know each other very well, and even though we are not always the same, we do understand each other, and actualyl in those areas we are different, we can be of good support to the other as being able to show another angle; there is a deep emotional, intellectual and spiritual understanding; it made it feel a bit uncomfortable when we met, as we have been only exchanging emails for almost 7 years until we actually met for a trip. That was a bit weird.
And maybe it is the geographical distance that makes it such a long lasting friendship (we have a Sun-Moon-conjunction in Aquarius).

But anyway I haven`t felt the negative sides of this Chiron yet.

Oh I just see that her Sun, Saturn and Pholus are ALL conjunct my Moon. lol
(well her Mars is opposing my Moon and her Neptune squares it; she certainly hasn`t had an easy life with that T-square in her natal, along with an exact Nessus-Dejanira-opposition from 29 SCorpio to 29 Taurus).


My longest friendship is to a girl (have been friends since I was 16 I think, which means over 20 years now), whose Moon is losely conjunct my Chiron and exactly square my Saturn and also sextile my Moon.
Well, we have been friends for over 20 years, so neither disappeared.
Her Moon is also EXACTLY conjunct my Draco Sun and my Moon is conjunct her Draco Sun.
It helps I guess. The subtle bond is very strong. (though in the beginning both of us did anything to sabotage it. She literally disappeared half a year after we met and broke off contact, and later on after we reconnected I disappeared emotionally, or stayed detached true to my Aquarius-Moon, but somehow, I don`t know, I guess we are simply stuck with each other, though the kind of connection constantly flows and changes, but beside our families our frienship is a constant in our lives).

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Originally posted by teasel:
Where is your Chiron, Ami?

Mine is the tightest aspect in my chart, that I remember - conjunct Sun, Ceres, and more widely with Mercury. The guy I knew who was born on the same day as me, has apparently been withdrawn for a while now, but he hadn't been affected by life experiences in the way that I had, when I knew him. (different ascendants, but with the same conjunction to his Sun, his sense of self seemed fine, whereas mine had been battered). He's also the one who asked me out starting with, "I heard you had a crush on me." My heart sank as my spine straightened, and I said it wasn't true. I lied, but also told the truth, because my crush evaporated when he couldn't as me out as though he actually wanted to go out with me.

My Ceres/Chiron/Sun is conjunct that of a whole bunch of people my age. Those a few years older than me, have their Chirons conjunct my Mercury, and those a few years younger have it conjunct my descendant. Eight years younger (I guess) would be conjunct my Moon/Venus/South Node. I'm not awake, just typing and thinking here. I'm hugely sensitive, and realized that I'm always expecting a knife, even from people who seem genuine. I can relax for a while, but will then get that feeling again. I hate it. I wasn't born that way, though.


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CHIRON IN ASPECT TO SUN, MERCURY, VENUS, MOON, MARS, AND JUPITER
When Chiron aspects a planet in the horoscope, the aspected planet is Chirotic. On the most primary level, the planet aspected by Chiron is similar in feeling to a planet involved in a quincunx, i.e., it is constantly activated and being pushed to a new level of awareness. Specifically, contents in the subconscious mind related to past life struggles which are relevant to emotional responses for this lifetime are activated within the vibration of the planet that is in aspect to Chiron. For example, in a chart with Venus square Chiron, the native would tend to get involved in love affairs with individuals whom they had already experienced trauma with in past lives. On a more subtle level, aspects to Chiron attune the planet in aspect to "Chiros."
Chiros is the realm beyond linear time which is ruled by Saturn. It is the place where events in the here and now relate to the synchronicity principle. The synchronous level is our experience with congruences between this dimension and other non-physical dimensions. It is the place where we can find the interface between realities. It is the place in time where we can attain another plane of awareness by simply moving our focus to another realm.

For example, it is the place in the psyche which recognizes significant meaning with another human that you've just met whether you know it is based on a past life contact or not. So, regarding a planet aspected by Chiron, outside events occur which attune this planet to higher consciousness vibrations in attunement with the planet in aspect. For example, natives with Chiron sextile the Sun will draw parents who try to raise the child in a good environment. Those parents also probably knew the child before. Jungians say the synchronicity principle is "accusal." To me that means the cause is not definable on the physical plane; the cause is coming from the universal timeless mind, the emotional and soul body or some other dimension which we haven't even intuited or identified yet. The planets in aspect to Chiron can resonate easily on all those levels. And regarding the "accusal" synchronicity principle, now that Chiron has been sighted, we are beginning to attune to the "unseen" causes. As we attune to them our bridge to multidimensional realms is stronger.

Planets in aspect to Chiron feel unstable at first; they represent energies which we feel compelled to experience and master. Chiron's role is to destabilize, to infuse Saturnian form with Uranian energy. The experiences related to planets aspected by Chiron have only really been pushed into action since November 1977 when Chiron was sighted. Many new consciousness programs, movements, and new paradigms such as I.C.C.S., Asilomar with David Spangler and Dr. Brugh Joy, Jean Houston workshops, and Chris Griscom's work with gold needles started in the fall of 1977, and readers should take a moment to reflect on changes in their behavior since that time. For example, suddenly in 1977 and 1978, people realized they could access emotions by going into places in the body. Your ability to resonate with the planets aspected by Chiron will be enhanced by a moment's reflection on what you were doing in 1977-78, because that is a major power point in the emergence of Chiron.
Aspects to Chiron are subtle because they push us to subtle levels, but Chiron is a knife-like tool you can use to dissect levels of awareness. You can utilize Chiron to sensitize yourself to other dimensions. Transits of Chiron are very critical and are not subtle, which will be discussed in Chapter Twelve. But, the aspects of Chiron to the planets and Nodes are subtle; like the emergence of a new shoot of a plant above a great root system. That shoot has great energy from the massive root system, and as you allow yourself to attune to Chirotic energy and eras, (a life force), it will infuse your system with a wonderful youthfulness, a sense of great hope. The resonation in the mind is also intense; these aspects are probably the key access point to the large field of consciousness presently not being used. We can only begin to imagine at this time the great potential of working with aspects to Chiron. We will not get this level by thinking, however, it only comes by experiencing.
CHIRON IN ASPECT TO THE SUN
When Chiron aspects the Sun, the full sense of self, of being who really are, is related to the degree that we experience spirituality, higher consciousness, in our lives. This aspect has to do with identifying one's dharma, one's path in life, and then the nature of the aspect shows whether this path has been constant stress or progressive actualization. With stressful aspects such as conjunctions, squares, and oppositions, the years up to forty will be difficult. Natives will feel the destiny they sense inside is not reflected by their reality. Those with sextiles, trines, and even quincunxes, are naturally spiritual beings at an early age. They often stay away from experiences which might confuse their natural spiritualized sense of self. They also may have a superiority complex, a sense of being above others. They have charisma, and others are wary of them, as noted by Zane Stein.

With Chiron conjunct the Sun, the innate sense of destiny is so strong that normal patterns are rarely lived out. This native is unique; he or she bums with purpose and creativity. Marc Robertson noticed that most people are at a peak level of success when Saturn transits the natal midheaven, and that most people go into a deep inward search when Saturn crosses the rising. Most people have a success cycle when they experience the Jupiter return. Those with Chiron conjunct the Sun seem to have a different timing going on. Chart 2 is that of a young healer who has been a mystic since early childhood, and is an extraordinary healer at the present time. Her mother is a great mystic and healer, and this native created the correct environment around herself to manifest her power of Chiron conjunct Sun.

Chiron sextile the Sun produces a profound depth at an early age, an environment which offers opportunities to develop high principles, and a great inner need to bring a significant work into the world. Charts 10 and 25 are good examples of the early and deep inner drive to manifest high purpose with Chiron sextile the Sun. The publisher of Chart 10 chose parents of very pure ideals, even though the mother is very difficult, as can be seen with Moon in the top of a T-square formed with Mars opposite Pluto, and difficulties with the father are indicated by Saturn square Chiron. The artist of Chart 25 chose very loving and supportive parents, and she is very disciplined. There is a noticeable steadiness and constant drive in these natives, but they are also rarely satisfied with their accomplishments. Chiron sextile the Sun indicates that the Higher Self will be embodied within this individual during this incarnation, and perhaps the level of dissatisfaction about accomplishments will lessen when the higher self embodies, usually after Uranus opposite Uranus.

Natives with Chiron square the Sun show the typical pattern of working with squares: they have a difficult struggle with spirituality before the Saturn return, they work on the real meaning of life intensely during their thirties, and they begin to master the dilemma after Uranus opposite Uranus. These natives have a very difficult time at the Uranus opposition when the Uranian electrical infusion exacerbates the Chiron square Sun and tends to cause neurological stress. This is a tough position; counseling will help greatly, and these natives need affirmation about the progress of their heavy struggle with Saturn. Shoulder massage is a necessity for them. They need to learn to control Saturn and not have Saturn control them. They are hard on themselves, but let go of control. Once they discover their destiny/Sun, they will find themselves in control with working with Uranian imbalance.

Chiron trine the Sun attunes the native to transmutation and encourages a very creative view of the universe. They are naturally aware of the potential fluidity and basic power for change in all structures. My clients with Chiron trine the Sun have shown great sense of purpose at an early age, but they have had difficulty at Uranus opposite Uranus if they were not disciplined before that time. These natives are naturally responsive to spirituality, and they can get addicted to a higher consciousness "fix" of one new experience after another. But they are in trouble at Uranus opposition if they have not developed a Saturnian work vehicle to use as a means to express their creativity.

Chiron aspecting the Sun sets up a dynamic of knowing who we are with the soul in the body, and this spiritual fusion does not develop without service to others. Chart 3 is an example of a publisher who disciplined himself in the early years and created a vehicle for giving his service. Chart 26 is that of a talented woman who did not create a life work as a vehicle for her spirituality by the Uranus opposition. The Uranus opposition has occurred, she is developing her life work at this time, but it is difficult to do it without many prior years of experience. This issue is especially critical in her case because Chiron is also conjunct the North Node of the Moon, and her ability to expand herself to Neptune is in jeopardy, as is also indicated by Jupiter square the Sun.

Chiron quincunxing the Sun creates a double quincunx effect, and these natives are like loaded sticks of dynamite. They simply cannot rest, they are totally driven to bring the higher self into being and to spiritualize the planet in general. Almost every native I've seen with this position is a well-known New Age leader, spiritual teacher, or ecologist; this position truly galvanizes the soul into the body, but it is a tough position. The type of clients I see is reflective of my work in New Age healing circles since 1982. As work with Chiron progresses, many astrologers will see people from all walks of life who have an aspect like Chiron quincunx the Sun. It must be understood that this type of aspect is critical now that Chiron has been sighted. No matter what kind of life this native is living, they must express this emerging energy. For example, an economically disadvantaged mother with small children might be finding herself by giving powerful healing in her family, church, or job. Back to the type of client I have typically worked with recently, Charts 16, a writer/ecologist, and 17, a theologian, are excellent examples, and both natives have gone through deep personal struggles while they gifted others with their great teachings. The Jungian analyst of Chart 27 is working on the wounded child archetype, but this native has also suffered great personal tragedy that has almost broken him. All three natives are men who have almost not survived personal crises and yet who were driven to bring in their spirituality for the world. Implied is a rigidity about destiny which creates a hard personal life, but enables the native to give great gifts to others.

Chiron opposite the Sun creates a life and death struggle to bring the self into full expression. And the expression the Sun finds must be alchemical and healing. I used my own chart (28), as an example, because my life was a struggle to find who I was until the Uranus opposition. Then I began expressing my alchemical Sun in works such as Eye of the Centaur where my actual journey of self is transmutative for readers who find out who they are by joumeying with me through many lifetimes. Zane Stein, who founded Associates for Studying Chiron, has Chiron opposite the Sun, and all those who know Zane have been amazed by his selfless and almost fanatical dedication to Chiron research. This book would never have been written if it weren't for the work of Zane Stein. This is a tense dynamic, and the only resolution is to move into maximum self-expression in healing and spiritual practices.



from "Chiron-Transforming Bridge Between the Inner and Outer Planets" by Barbara Hand Clow:

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Chiron in Cancer and the Fourth House

This being one of the parental houses; the 4th in particular describes the "hidden parent", the one less present physically or emotionally, and therefore more unknown and mysterious. In practice the IC usually refers to the father.

Chiron in this house highlights the relationship with the father. He may have been experienced as wounding and hurtful, or inade¬quate in some important respect; the relationship may have been fraught with conflict. He might be totally unknown, having died or left before the child was born. He could have been a priest or doctor, with which neither mortal son nor suitor can compete. The variations are endless.

The 4th house in the chart of a woman may accompany the theme of an incestuous desire for her father. Whether or not there is explicit sexual contact, the "family romance," may have been between father and daughter, not father and mother, and such a woman may continue this pattern by always falling in love with men who are unattainable. If the father was the only parent, or showed more empathy than the mother, the woman may later try to fulfil unmet mothering needs through men. women also can "marry their mothers." Whether the conscious attitude to her father is one of idealisation or contempt, a woman with this placement is often fixated on him or indeed, he is fixated on her, he is God, and he must be obeyed. Sometimes women must struggle to avoid identifying with strong images of "anima figures" that their fathers may have projected in the form of expectations about how they should or should not be. It can be difficult, however, to risk the fear of rejection and disapproval that might follow should one step outside the image and "dis obey." If separation does not occur, a woman with Chiron here can become "Daddy's little princess," getting her own way either by flattery and seduction or by more high handed means.

The 4th house and Cancer, our wound is inevitably connected with early mothering and basic security needs. Many a person with this placement feels a longing to reunite with mother, outrage at being cast out in birth, the search for a home, for belonging and security. With this placement we may be forced on a long journey to find our roots within our own psyche, a journey prompted by a feeling of being exiled from human life. Eventually, strength comes from an inner sense that all life belongs to us and we do not need to possess it because we already have it.

The issue of belonging is frequently externalised and idealised, however, and we then sacrifice our own feelings and potentials in order to belong to another person or group. Feeling homeless, we search for a womb where we can stay forever safely contained by mother; "Take care of me and I'll be anything you want me to be," is the unspoken attitude to others. We may belong to a Capricor¬nian structure, such as a business corporation, a school or society where principles are important, but we still feel like exiles. However, the womb that we choose usually has strong boundaries which eventually curtail our development, like a shell that has become too small for the growing crab, and we must then fight to get out. Life begins to feel like a series of prisons or "bad wombs," until like Jonah in the belly of the whale, we are forced to retreat for sustenance into our inner depths, where within ourselves we may find our spiritual origins.

Mother may have been experienced as wounding on account of speci¬fic traumas or sudden separations that have left us feeling stunned and unable to figure out what on earth happened, we may then conclude that we did something wrong and later on tend to be over sensitive to disapproval.

If you have Chiron in Cancer, you are very sensitive to the emotional suffering of others, and able to empathise with them; people find it easy to express their feelings, especially their pain, in your presence. You have an ability to nourish others emotionally, to accept them when at their most vulnerable without feeling threatened. However, your difficulty may be with rela¬tionships not modeled on the mother/child dyad in which you are supremely comfortable and which you may never leave. You find separation difficult you need to be needed and can even resort to subtle emotional deals in order to recreate "umbilical unity" with people. You do not find it easy to let others be indepen¬dent, and might become very crabby if your role as nurturer and good breast is threatened. If you feel your good intentions abused you can be quite vitriolic and hold grudges.

You may also have difficulty in receiving emotional and/or physical nourishment, always feeling hungry and full of longing, starving in the mist of plenty. You then hide away, you feel too vulnerable to open yourself to receiving nourishment from others, but shrivel inside your protective shell. Your stomach could be a vulnerable area of you body, and express the strong emotions that you feel; you might translate into physical hunger your other emotional needs, eating when what you really need is emotional sustenance. The naturally cyclic life rhythm typical of Cancer¬ians may be disturbed or unconscious when Chiron is in Cancer; it could be useful to become aware of the ebb and flow of the tides of your energy so that you do not unwittingly go against this, when you may become over emotional and clingy, or morose and withdrawn.

Men with Chiron in Cancer often spend at least the first half of their lives "in the womb" they choose partners who are "good mothers" and perhaps envy the attention given to their children. Divorce or separation hits them very hard, as the original wound of separation from mother is opened up again. Once they have come to terms with this, however, such men turn out to have strong nurturing abilities and a well developed connection with their inner world; they are often psychically intuitive and know what is happening to those they love even at a distance.

They could also conceivably come from a family that has been hurtful through overt bullying or sadistic emotional manipulation in the name of "fun" or "good intentioned teasing." If we are mocked or accused of melodrama when we express our emotions, we learn that they are not welcome or acceptable, that we must try to hide them from others, or worse, from ourselves. Then we become manipulative or emotionally explosive and spend much energy trying to control and suppress our feelings. It may take some time for us to learn how to defend ourselves against further emotional wounding, especially in close relationships where issues of dependence come into focus.
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wow, guess magi was completely off about venus-chiron being a true love aspect lol

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wow, guess magi was completely off about venus-chiron being a true love aspect lol

No, I don`t think so. But everything has to be seen in context.

What could be more loving than someone who treats your most vulnerable part with gentleness, compassion and love?

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Dear Teasel
I feel we have simpatico. I am not surprised my Chiron trines your Venus/Moon/SN

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Interesting thread!

Here's my experience with chiron in my relationship.

My chiron conjuncts his moon and trines his Neptune. I can't separate the effects of single aspects but I know how I feel when I'm with him ... calmed, soothed, and "healed" at a deep emotional/psychological level that is difficult to put into words. This extends to physical healing as well, which I've discussed in my thread on paranormal phenomena in synastry http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/211560.html
Perhaps it is also the overall effect of Neptune thrown in the mix.
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Ami Anne,
I'm sorry you're experiencing a chiron crisis in your relationship. Opening up of deep wounds can be so painful. Maybe you can check to see if there are aspects w/ Neptune and chiron in your synastries with people which could be more healing and less hurtful. But I agree w/ Teasel, don't beg. No human should ever have to. The divinity in you is just as important as theirs in the eyes of the Universe.
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Ceridwen,
"Maybe it is BECAUSE in Chiron-conjunctions one or both people are so extremely vulnerable and defenceless in their openness"

This is very true of me w/ my SO. I feel absolutely open with him, completely defenseless and vulnerable. I've never felt this vulnerable w/ ANYONE before.
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Hi SaggiMC, I'm returning to LL after a bit of a break. You've provided an interesting read on chiron. Here again I'd like to share my own experience.

In my natal I have chiron square Sun (exact), but I've never had to struggle w/ spirituality. Quite the contrary, actually. With a 1st house moon, my relationship w/ my Mom was always very close, and, growing up I was very positively affected by the purity of her spiritual beliefs, discipline, and practice in day-to-day life. We would have conversations about spirituality, God, and she would answer my questions patiently and encouraged me to explore on my own also. I remember being so moved by the idea of a kind, loving, God that, from the age of approx. 4 years onward (I can't remember prior to 4), I would cry every day during daily evening prayers (which we performed together as a family). My Mom would always soothe me. I think I was about 5 or 6, when I had my first dream of God. Such dreams along with other mystic experiences of divine bliss and revelations (while awake) have continued and are still ongoing.

The point I'm trying to make is, that for me, spirituality and a spiritually disciplined way of life is something that has always been very natural. Never had to struggle for it. In fact, I felt a strong pull towards it from a very young age and was very supported and guided by my Mother.

This contradicts your information on Sun square chiron.

Please let me know what you think.

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I'm sorry you're experiencing a chiron crisis in your relationship. Opening up of deep wounds can be so painful. Maybe you can check to see if there are aspects w/ Neptune and chiron in your synastries with people which could be more healing and less hurtful. But I agree w/ Teasel, don't beg. No human should ever have to. The divinity in you is just as important as theirs in the eyes of the Universe.

Don't beg

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"Don't beg "

????? Did I say something I shouldn't have?

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"Don't beg "

????? Did I say something I shouldn't have?



NOOO it was just so cute!!

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Teasel have you ever looked at your asteroids? Your life has been a Greek Myth as has mine.
The asteroids would show all! xx

For me--My Chiron is 4 Aqua in the 4th House. This friend was so uplifting to me. I am begging him to come back as of now


Awww so sweet let's all do telepathy and tell this man to come back to Amianne

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Awww so sweet let's all do telepathy and tell this man to come back to Amianne


Awwwwww I am so touched like to my toes

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No, I don`t think so. But everything has to be seen in context.

What could be more loving than someone who treats your most vulnerable part with gentleness, compassion and love?


Who's the one that is gentle and compassionate?

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"NOOO it was just so cute!!"

Kay, then Phew! I wouldn't want to offend or hurt.

As for this friend, I would give it some time. Often, with people who are quick to react, I find they come around when they've had time to think things over.

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Moonfish,

"Who's the one that is gentle and compassionate?"

The one whose planet is contacting the chiron, I think. Altho' in my case this compassion and gentleness is both ways, even though my chiron is involved w/ his moon and his Neptune.

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