posted March 11, 2012 09:12 AM            

This is my personal experience but it makes sense. Chiron is one's place of wounding. Chiron cannot heal according to the myth. Some Astrologers like to gloss over this and say Chiron can heal. I take Astrology at face value. Life is not sanitized so why should we sanitize Astrology. It feels disrespectful of Astrology to do that. I honor and reverence the science of Astrology. As such, I think we do Astrology no service nor any clients when we try to paper over truths. That is the preface to the fact that Chiron's wound will never heal. The most we can do with it is to use our pain to help others. That is Chiron's transformation ability. That is also the lesson of the 12th House. However, we will carry our Chiron wound to our death.

Back to landmines in the chart. Consider a woman's chart which has Chiron conjunct Pholus conjunct her name asteroid in the 4th House in the sign of Aquarius. You may rightly say "Ouch". To those who do not understand these terms, I will explain. The fourth house is the house of the early home.It shows the feeling of your early home. Was it cold or warm? Loving or hostile? All this is shown by the fourth house. So, if we put Chiron into the fourth hose, we have pain in the early home and with the mother who is represented by the fourth house . If we add Pholus, he will explode Chiron. This person explodes her pain. If we add her own name asteroid, we have an amazing phenomena which shows the unerring accuracy of Astrology. How can this be so? I don't know. God is bigger than the charts.The story does not stop there in that her mother's Aqua Sun conjunct mercury in an exact conjunction, conjunct her Chiron/Pholus name asteroid complex. Can we say "OUCH" Yes, this child was molested by her mother.That brings me to landmines. This point in her chart will be a very sensitive point for her entire life. People can touch it for good or bad. She will feel it. Please, look to your charts and see if you have similar sensitive points.

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posted March 11, 2012 09:13 AM            

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posted March 11, 2012 09:16 AM            

12*Pisces square Neptune.

posted March 11, 2012 09:29 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
You've just reminded me: I think I have Pholus in Pisces, too. I can't remember where, though. Be back in a while.

12*Pisces square Neptune.

Also, I don't think anyone is papering over any truths, we just all have different experiences - some are worse than others, but the smaller wounds can feel huge at times, you know.?

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Thank you Baby. My "black and white" if you want to call it that is from a childhood where everything was a lie. If you read the book"People of the Lie", that was my life.

I crave truth as much as anyone can crave anything as a result.

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posted March 11, 2012 09:47 AM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Ami,

I like your style. It is what it is. There is no point sugar coating anything or downplaying to feel better. Might as well deal with the situation in the best possible manner and move on with life.

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Thanks Ian Truth is always the way to healing!

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posted March 11, 2012 09:50 AM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Ami,

I like your style. It is what it is. There is no point sugar coating anything or downplaying to feel better. Might as well deal with the situation in the best possible manner and move on with life.

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I wonder if you have a personal landmine point Ian. I wonder if it is everyone's Chiron or not?

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posted March 11, 2012 09:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Truth is always the way to healing!

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posted March 11, 2012 09:52 AM            

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Originally posted by MertSerimer:
Truth and facts are always the way or key to more both inner and outer power.

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Love you Mert!

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posted March 11, 2012 11:02 AM            

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posted March 11, 2012 11:38 AM            

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Originally posted by lilithpluto:
Hi Ami, I have Chiron @ Taurus 17'59 in 8th house, sextile Mercury @ Cancer 17'14 in 10th house... what does it mean for me ?

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Well the 8th House could make deep emotions and deep passions seem to have a lot of pain with them. Did your family make you repress your true feelings?

The Mercury sextile may make your career and using your mind in your career offer a path OUT. Does that fit?

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posted March 11, 2012 11:49 AM            

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Originally posted by lilithpluto:
Its very true. I dun talk feelings with family members. We just go around our own businesses.. We dun come out and chit chat about our demons and pain.. we are expected to overcome it by ourselves alone. If we ever talked, it is more like: oh, this happened before but yeah, its nothing now. However, we love each other... just we dun share.

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Like your becoming a shrink and dealing in these 8th house issues
I'm not so sure about using mind in a career... example?

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posted March 11, 2012 12:43 PM            

Also Chiron is opposing DNA in Libra in 10th house, squaring Eros, Pan and Vertex on 21 Cancer and Destinn on 23 Cancer and squares Antivertex and my Sun/Moon-mp on 21 Capricorn plus Arthur on 21 Capricorn and Don Quixote on 23 Capricorn.

This is DEFINITELY significant.

Well, my childhood was happy and protected and full of love. I have a very close relationship with my mom; of course because of our closeness there were some emotional outbursts now and then as well, which clearly hurt both of us, but I think that is pretty normal for children and parents.
No abuse occurred.

BUT despite this I`d say that there was some pain in my early childhood and home, which I realized just a bit ago.
But it was "secondary pain" leading to "primary fear".

My mom lost her mother at the age of 17, when her youngest sister was only 2 years old, and since her dad was working shifts, she took over the responsibility for a household with 3 siblings.
She didn`t have much help, and had to "function", because my grandfather, who had been traumatized by having been in Russian war captivity as a young man and now having lost his wife with just being 36 years old was completely incapable to process the loss emotionally or be an emotional hold for his kids. It was not his fault, and he provided as much material security as he could, but he simply wasn`t capable of meeting his kids emotional needs, which would have been even more important with their mom being ripped away from then so suddenly. He also was a choleric, and I know that he did beat the boys, when he deemed them having acted irresponsibly.
He never hit my mom or aunt though, but to this day my mom can`t stand being in rather small dark rooms (a favourite punishment of her parents for her, when she did not prevent her brothers from doing something stupid, was to lock her up in the dark bathroom so she could think about what she had done).

Well, on top of that she had witnessed the death of her little brother by drowning when she was only 4 years old.

All in all this led to a dormant depression in her, as she never really had the opportunity to mourn the loss.

Her most carefree period was actually the time when she got married to my Dad up to the first years after my birth.
Then she gave birth to my brother who has the Down syndrome and also took her little sister in, as my aunt needed a bit more guidance than my grandfather could provide.

I think I subconsciously or halfconsciously took in all these influences and "ancestral load", and especially the story of her mom having died so early frightened me very much.
I remember, when I was a child I was often having nightmares that my mom had died; that was what I meant above: I had compassion with her experience and so experienced her pain in a "secondary" way, but at the same time it of course triggered a fear in me that, if it had happened to her, it could happen to me as well. That people I love and care about and need could be ripped away from my life threatening the very foundations of it.

I think that is the way I experienced Chiron, not as real abuse of my mother to me, but in the sense of the possibility of loss, which I react to more heavily than most other people I know.

There are no conjunctions of my parent`s planets to my Chiron though.

posted March 11, 2012 12:57 PM            

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Originally posted by lilithpluto:
Ami, what about my Chiron @ Taurus 17'59 opposite Lust @ Scorpio 17'10 in 2nd house ? I just noticed that in my complied chart.

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Chiron oppose Lust. So Chiron is in the 8th where you are forced to repress feelings and it opposes Lust which IS a primal feeling. I would think lust may be a struggle for you, not to put your business out on a pubic forum

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posted March 11, 2012 02:57 PM            

Like I said you theories about chiron in the first house, along with another member lioness, both of us agreed your ideas did not resonate....

in fact I found a really good one, which is closely aligned with my ideas...

Now I see you have taken off your own revelations completely... why?

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CHIRON IN THE 1ST HOUSE – indicates a channel of Healing, one who is charismatic, unforgettable, and a true leader of consciousness unfoldment. You need a nurturing environment, time in nature, and soothing music. Ego involvement acts as a short circuit and will unground you. As you rise above the ego need to “be the healer” and learn to “Be still & Know that I Am God,” synchronic events and manifestation by thought becomes a natural part of your life. You learn to allow the healing energies to flow from the Divine through you. http://www.pathwaytoascension.com/astrology/lesson6.html

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posted March 11, 2012 02:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I know I seem black and white on Chiron. This is how I see it.I do not argue for others to see it my way but please allow for me to offer my opinions as I see them too

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posted March 11, 2012 03:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

I wonder if you have a personal landmine point Ian. I wonder if it is everyone's Chiron or not?

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You know my Chiron is in the 1st House. It conjuncts ASC and Saturn in the 12th House. It's more the size of a ship mine than a land mine, big enough to sink an aircraft carrier. There's no healing to it.

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