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seeker3030
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posted March 17, 2012 11:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for seeker3030     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just wondering what people's opinion of the best marriage indicators are in synastry?

Do you favour Juno/Jupiter placements or Sun/Moon, Venus/Mars, Venus/Neptune, Venus/Pluto, house placements etc etc? Or maybe a combination of all?

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posted March 17, 2012 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If I could make a list of aspects I would want in marriage, moon trine moon would top it.

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posted March 17, 2012 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Vertex in the 7th of the composite chart. The closer to the dsc, the better.

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posted March 17, 2012 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starmoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Vertex in the 7th of the composite chart. The closer to the dsc, the better.

i have this with my current bf. we have composite vertex in 7th (aries) @ 19 degrees and the Desc. is in aries @ 17 degrees - what is the importance of this aspect?

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posted March 17, 2012 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ruler of DESC conjunct ASC or ASC-ruler.

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posted March 17, 2012 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for seeker3030     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks everyone that's interesting - I've been looking at the composites and synastry charts of my parents, my mum and her 2nd husband and myself and my partner etc and there are some interesting results... my mum and dad had Juno in their 7th house composite and yet my mum and her second husband have a completely empty 7th house and none of the other combinations mentioned however this is the much happier marriage for her.

Myself and my partner have talked about marriage (ok not as definitive as actually getting married ha ha!) and we have our composite moon in the 7th and none of the other combinations mentioned so far.

What have you noticed if you've been married or from the charts of those you know who are? Interested to see if there are any trends.

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posted March 17, 2012 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami Anne,
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If I could make a list of aspects I would want in marriage, moon trine moon would top it.

I have moon sextile moon with him.

amowls**

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Vertex in the 7th of the composite chart. The closer to the dsc, the better

Composite vertex is conjunct Desc. from 6th hse (5 orb)

Ceridwen,

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Ruler of DESC conjunct ASC or ASC-ruler.

Ruler of my DESC (Pluto) sextiles his ASC ruler (Neptune)-3 deg 49'

Ruler of his DESC (Mercury) squares my ASC. 4 deg 21' and quintiles my ASC ruler (exact).

Does this mean, the ship has sailed on this one?

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posted March 17, 2012 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's all about potential, guys, nothing is set in stone.

It does look promising though, Linda.

I guess you should look at progressions, too.

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posted March 17, 2012 06:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Doux.

You've brightened my day

Need to learn progressions now (I'm a newbie).

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posted March 17, 2012 07:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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What have you noticed if you've been married or from the charts of those you know who are? Interested to see if there are any trends.

Sun-Venus in the personal chart of at least one person. Sun-Venus in the synastry in combination with Sun-Mars. I've also noticed Sun-Moon major aspect (conj., opp., squ) in either chart. Moon and Venus progressions to Libra will also do the trick.

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posted March 17, 2012 07:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by seeker3030:
Just wondering what people's opinion of the best marriage indicators are in synastry?

Do you favour Juno/Jupiter placements or Sun/Moon, Venus/Mars, Venus/Neptune, Venus/Pluto, house placements etc etc? Or maybe a combination of all?


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posted March 18, 2012 06:18 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by seeker3030:
Just wondering what people's opinion of the best marriage indicators are in synastry?

Do you favour Juno/Jupiter placements or Sun/Moon, Venus/Mars, Venus/Neptune, Venus/Pluto, house placements etc etc? Or maybe a combination of all?


most synastries have a combination of good and challenging aspects and simply cannot be 'nailed down' to just one or two aspects..

Ascendant come into play for attraction, lust and sexual behaviour. the trilogy, sun, moon and Asc are THE most important in any natal chart and synastry..

You will get a more personalised response IF you post the chart in PR forum

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Please remember to reduce the orb ratio down to 40% (ONLY for synastry bi wheel) as the max orb between planets is 3'. Composite should be 85% orbs. Please also include, vertex, juno and POF (part of fortune).

when you get this SYNASTRY chart, please also post the *pdf file*, above left of chart look for *view additional tables (PDF)* This will bring up 2pages. Scroll down to last page for the *ASPECT GRID* THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT AS IT SEEMS TO SHOW MORE ASPECTS THAN IS VISIBLE ON THE BI WHEEL…

problem is uploading to photobucket (or imageshack) you have to change this from Abode format into a picture/jpeg format. This is done by getting the relevant page/grid in front of you on screen then, the press ‘prtsc sysrq’ - top row inbetween pause break and F12. This has been copied to clipboard.

Paste into Paint or some other photo software. Crop the picture and save to hard drive, then upload to photobucket, select chart, press IMG and past link into thread.... all done

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posted March 18, 2012 06:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I want to emphasize that I didn`t mean that ONE aspect will do the trick. I simply mentioned the DESC-ruler to ASC, because the ruler of the ASC-DESC-axis rarely get the attention they deserve.

Personally I think for a marriage to take place the progressed charts HAVE to play an important part. And like Nine I have found that Sun-Venus and Sun-Mars are often simultaneously present along with Sun-Moon.

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posted March 18, 2012 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I want to emphasize that I didn`t mean that ONE aspect will do the trick. I simply mentioned the DESC-ruler to ASC, because the ruler of the ASC-DESC-axis rarely get the attention they deserve.

Interesting. I used to ignore my pAsc (which now sits @ 22 Libra), until I met someone whose pAsc conjunct my nVenus...wow, it was the best feeling ever.

Question: Do the progressed positions of the ASC_DESC axis also figure in marriage synastry? I guess I know what the answer is. Have you paid them any attention?

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posted March 18, 2012 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami, what about moon conjunct moon?

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posted March 18, 2012 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Nine:
Do the progressed positions of the ASC_DESC axis also figure in marriage synastry? I guess I know what the answer is. Have you paid them any attention?

Yes. And yes.


What I am wondering about currently is which will have more impact, the ruler of the progressed ASC/ DESC as it is in the progressed chart, or the ruler of the progressed ASC/DESC as it is in the natal chart?

What I mean, is my pr ASC is in Capricorn and pr DESC in Cancer.

Am I checking both pr Moon and natal Moon?

Cause I know that the other way round it works. my natal DESC ruler is Mercury and pr Mercury seems to be very important.


BTW Nine, your pr ASC is trine my pr Mercury and pr Venus, both on 22 Aquarius, and also trine my pr Moon on 21 Gemini.

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I just checked my parent`s wedding. At the day of their wedding they had this conjunction:

his pr Mars 10.44 Libra r (ruler of pr DESC)
his n Mars 9.19 Libra

her pr Saturn 11.21 Libra (ruler of DESC)
her pr Venus 9.40 Libra

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her pr Jupiter 4.26 Aries r
his pr DESC 4.39 Aries

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posted March 18, 2012 09:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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What I am wondering about currently is which will have more impact, the ruler of the progressed ASC/ DESC as it is in the progressed chart, or the ruler of the progressed ASC/DESC as it is in the natal chart?

I would go with pASC-pDESC rulers in the progressed chart.

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What I mean, is my pr ASC is in Capricorn and pr DESC in Cancer.

Am I checking both pr Moon and natal Moon?


pMoon. Of course I have very little research to back this up. But that is where I'd put my money at this point.

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Cause I know that the other way round it works. my natal DESC ruler is Mercury and pr Mercury seems to be very important.

hmmmm. Like pMercury is conjunct their nAsc??


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posted March 18, 2012 09:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ShyVirgo1979     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I read somewhere (don't rem where now or id quote) that if someone's saturn falls in ur 7th house ur inclined to marry them. And that rang true for me yrs and yrs b4 I ever read that.

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posted March 19, 2012 09:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for featherlightly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've spent the last 10+ years specifically studying relationship charts, and this is what I've noticed over and over in marriages and other long-term relationships, drawing on at least 500 - 600 charts I've looked at (if not more than that... I've lost count):

-Mars square (or sometimes conjunct) Saturn. This pops up SO MUCH it's mind-boggling -- at least 85% of the married synastry charts I've looked at have it. I think it attests to the drive (Mars) for responsibility (Saturn) set in motion by the friction of the square. It's not often a pleasant aspect but it works like glue.

-When there's no hard Mars/Saturn aspect, there's almost always a conjunction between Saturn and the sun or Saturn and the ascendant.

-Alignment of the angles. The most common is one person's AC conjunct the other's MC or IC. Less common but still occurring is AC conjunct AC and AC conjunct DC. I've noticed that with marriages, it's much more likely to be AC conjunct MC, whereas shorter-term relationships, or relationships people have when they're younger, involve AC conjunct AC or DC. I think this is because the MC/IC axis involves more than just attraction and represents inner/domestic life as well as public life, which tend to become more important in marriages.

-There is usually at least one significant nodal conjunction (either with a planet or angle), but no consistency as to what that conjunction is. Node conjunct Saturn seems more common than node conjunct a personal planet, and nodes conjunct the angles (either AC/DC or IC/MC) also occur with some frequency.

-There is almost ALWAYS at least one planet/angle conjunction, often more. Conjunctions to the IC and MC are just as common, if not more so, than conjunctions to the AC and DC.

-I have *not* noticed any of the classically "good" aspects like sun conjunct moon or Venus conjunct Mars appear in marriage synastry any more often than they would by chance. Sextiles between Venus and Mars are actually the most common aspect I've seen between those two planets, but often there is no aspect at all.

-I have seen many marriage synastries with no major sun/sun, sun/moon, or moon/moon aspects at all, and in these cases there's often a lot of Saturn action going on.

-There is often a major, tight conjunction between a personal planet or angle and one of the following asteroids: Union, Amor, Valentine, Eros, or Psyche (or these asteroids will aspect each other). Eros/Psyche conjunctions aren't particularly common in marriages, but seem much more common in relationships that don't culminate in marriage.

-Likewise, in the charts I've checked with name asteroids, there is often a significant conjunction of one person's name asteroid with the other person's name asteroid or personal planet, OR one (or both) people have the other person's name asteroid conjunct a personal planet in their natal chart, especially the sun. Sort of like finding this person was "written" into their chart from birth...

-Chiron trine, sextile, or conjunct Venus is REALLY common. Chiron trine, sextile, or sun also occurs with some frequency.

-Tight orbs don't seem to matter. When the relationships have sun/moon or moon/moon aspects, for instance, orbs of up to even 8 or 9 degrees seem to function just fine for compatibility. There usually are only a few aspects that are close to exact, and those aspects really set the tone of the marriage.

I have a theory that lots of tight aspects and exciting conjunctions eventually become too intense and uncomfortable, unless both people are VERY mature, and either cause two people to start repulsing each other or force the relationship to break apart for other reasons. This has been my experience time and time again. For a relationship to progress into a marriage, there needs to be some Saturn action, growth-oriented challenging aspects, a few nodal or angle connections, and significant progressions or transits to kick things off.

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posted March 19, 2012 10:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Sun-Venus in the personal chart of at least one person. Sun-Venus in the synastry in combination with Sun-Mars. I've also noticed Sun-Moon major aspect (conj., opp., squ) in the progressed chart of either person. Moon and Venus progressions to Libra will also do the trick.

The marriage of Prince William and Katherine provides a perfect example of what I'm saying here.

William's pVenus @ 0 Cancer conj his nSun @ 0 Cancer.

William's pSun @ 27 Cancer conj his pMoon @ 26 Cancer.

Katherine's pVenus at 23 Capricorn (r) conj her nSun @ 18 Canpricorn. This may seem odd, but note her pVenus is retrograde here. True, 23 is past 18 but the fact Venus is moving backwards makes this an applying aspect.

With marriage indicators denoted in both charts separately, we now see...

William's pSun @ 27 Cancer opposed Katherine's pVenus @ 23 Capricorn.

William's nMars @ 8 Libra sq Katherine's nSun @ 18 Capricorn

William's nMars @ 8 Libra trine Katherine's nVenus @ 7 Aqua.

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Ruler of DESC conjunct ASC or ASC-ruler.

ideally, ruler of Asc and Desc should be in aspect, pref easy aspect. I have the square, which creates tensions and problems.

Next, I would look to something aspecting planets in 7th, and something 'setting' of the ruler of 7th.

I really don't think there is a difinitve *signature* for this kind of thing. Like there is no *death* signature either..

Natal chart are all about potential and penchants. some of us fulfill that potential others don't

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
It's all about potential, guys, nothing is set in stone.

It does look promising though, Linda.

I guess you should look at progressions, too.


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I do think chiron, Juno, vertex and Nodes should all be taken into account. Espec planets conj each others Angles are very important. My threads on these are found in Basic forum, if anyone is interested...

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I want to emphasize that I didn`t mean that ONE aspect will do the trick. I simply mentioned the DESC-ruler to ASC, because the ruler of the ASC-DESC-axis rarely get the attention they deserve.

Personally I think for a marriage to take place the progressed charts HAVE to play an important part. And like Nine I have found that Sun-Venus and Sun-Mars are often simultaneously present along with Sun-Moon.


I agree, for something major to happen like marriage, it needs to be reflected in more than just one divinations. also solar arcs, parallels are not just for natal but can be used in synastry to. Then finally midpoints, it can be a VERY powerful placement to have an outer of another person on your sun/moon midpoint and Asc/MC midpoint.... all of these have threads in basic forum if anyone fancies bit of research...

on the positive side it would be excellent to have another sun, moon, mercury,venus or mars conj sun/moon midpoint. My current love intereset has his sun on my sun/moon which you might think positive, but unfortunately I have my chart ruler uranus there, so not that great. There will always be an exception to the rule/idea/theory, whatever you want to call it.

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Originally posted by featherlightly:
I've spent the last 10+ years specifically studying relationship charts, and this is what I've noticed over and over in marriages and other long-term relationships, drawing on at least 500 - 600 charts I've looked at (if not more than that... I've lost count):


This is valuable info and spot on. Perhaps you would consider adding to mine in basic forum thread??

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Originally posted by featherlightly:
[B]I've spent the last 10+ years specifically studying relationship charts, and this is what I've noticed over and over in marriages and other long-term relationships, drawing on at least 500 - 600 charts I've looked at (if not more than that... I've lost count):

What is a "long term relationship" to you?
My ex husband and I have very few of these on your list and when we do, it's seems to be the "less common" option.


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