posted March 20, 2012 06:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Smilingheart:
I have Saturn, Uranus and Neptune all in the 5th house. I'd like to use Neptune for a different approach but unfortunately it's conjunct Saturn...

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Neptune conj. Saturn, makes you see things worse than they actually are. But the fear is in the mind only.

Both Neptune and Saturn are already working for you in this position.

The next step is to use your 5th house enterprising Uranus to figure out a way to rid yourself of your mental hurdle and use the combination of Nep/Sat to structure and organize your creative genius.

posted March 20, 2012 06:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
What I really like about the picture is the look in the eyes! That is a genius level quality to me.I am not an artist but I can feel greatness in art, I think. Yours has that quality, to me.

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Aw, Ami don't say that! You make me blush!
In artschool I am far from being the best - so this is nice for a change! lol

posted March 20, 2012 06:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Smilingheart:
Oh my, Linda! No talking about genius or I will start to believe it!

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You need to! If you do,Saturn in 5th will anyway bring you down a few notches (below genius) till you realize you're very, very, very good. This belief in yourself will then spur you on toward accomplishment of your goals.

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So Saturn destoys Neptunes rose-colored glasses. I think saggi also mentioned this in the Neptune thread.

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Kinda. I like to think of it (for myself) not so much as Saturn destroying, but more giving the rose colored glasses the necessary structure, the "frames" if you will, so that you can wear the rose glasses while still seeing clearly.

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Could there be potential for Neptune to free itself? Or has Saturn an iron grip?

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Yep to the 1st and no to the 2nd. How? By first starting with the understanding that Saturn does not "grip." Your Neptune is already free. If you understand the way Saturn works ... it is by providing structure. Sometimes we see this structure as limitations and then we turn away from the limitations in fear.

Saturn wants you to overcome your internal fears in the area it resides. It's really a no-nonsense kinda planet that can actually help you to achieve your dreams by making you put your nose to the grindstone. But in order to do this you have to 1st overcome mental blocks 'cause you can't work in fear, can you?

Once you've done this, Saturn can bless you through the practical achievements of your most cherished dreams (my Mom's explanation to me of how Saturn works).

The problem is most people fear Saturn too much. If you understand that it's waiting to bless you, when you've done your homework, you'll realize that it is perhaps the only planet that can help in your practical accomplishments in life.

So, bottom, line ... make Saturn your friend.

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My hope is for Uranus conj Neptune to do it's work.

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You're lucky, 'cause you have Uranus sitting there too. You can use it to come up w/ unique ways to understand Saturn and overcome all related fears. Remember, they're all mental.

But, imo, Saturn will be indispensable to you in making your 5th hse stuff real for you. No other planet can do this as effectively as Saturn. Believe me, creativity also needs some structure

EDIT: I'm not an astrologer SH, and am still learning. But I think we need to sometimes step away from the standard interps and see what is going to work for us individually.

I have a prominent natal Neptune and I and make it work w/ my Saturn in just the way I've described it to you above.

posted March 21, 2012 03:50 PM            

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Originally posted by SmilingHeart:
I have Saturn, Uranus and Neptune all in the 5th house. I'd like to use Neptune for a different approach but unfortunately it's conjunct Saturn...

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There is more information here delineating Saturn, if not interested in research or learning astrology, please feel free to ignore and move on. I’m only here to help ---

Basic astrology forum discussing Saturn in houses http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000660.html
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Basic astrology forum discussing Uranus in houses http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000662.html

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posted March 21, 2012 04:05 PM            

Example: can we apply the same characteristics to Saturn in Cancer and Saturn in the 4th? Or Saturn in Leo and Saturn in the 5th, etc?

posted March 21, 2012 04:09 PM            

So,a person would look at sign AND house and meld them, as is the case for most of Astrology, the blending.

Sorry to not be clear.I have seen this done in books so thought it was a classic way to write things lol

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posted March 21, 2012 04:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
No, no, I got it, Ami, I was just wondering if Saturn in Cancer would have the same traits as a Saturn in the 4th house, for example, of course both the sign and the house should be considered, I know that!

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That`s a very valid question. I have been struggling with it myself for years.

posted March 21, 2012 04:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
No, no, I got it, Ami, I was just wondering if Saturn in Cancer would have the same traits as a Saturn in the 4th house, for example, of course both the sign and the house should be considered, I know that!

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Ok Good
Well, I mean it such that Venus in Scorpio and an 8th House Venus both are Scorpio like. I did it so I would not have to do a whole other thing for the Houses BUT maybe I cannot blend them as the Houses are very different than the signs.Is that what you mean Doux?

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posted March 21, 2012 04:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
That`s a very valid question. I have been struggling with it myself for years.

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Well, Doux has a point in that I may not have addressed the issue well due to laziness

I think Saturn in the 4th would make a coldness in the early home. No matter the sign, the early home may have felt cold to the person. What do you think Ceri?

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posted March 21, 2012 04:21 PM            

My Venus does not really feel like Libra(7th House)
My Venus does feel like Sag which is a 9th House Venus. So, in my trying to find my right chart, I started exploring this subject.

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posted March 21, 2012 04:22 PM            

Because the thing is that, traditionally, the sign shows *how* the energies are released, while the house shows *where* - in which area of life.

But I have a hard time applying that.. especially when it comes to generational planets.

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posted March 21, 2012 04:30 PM            

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Originally posted by ail221:
Saturn in Capricorn in the 9th house. I always felt awkward in general. I read the description of Saturn in the 9th house but I wouldn't say I am apprehension of gaining higher education; too many gemini placements. But I do feel discourage if I am not the best at something immediately. I definitely agree with the section on Saturn in Capricorn; I always delay gratification in order to maintain stability.

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"Saturn’s" influence seems to be more obvious in the houses than in the signs can rule the life with an iron rod, although invisible, by undermining the sense of ¬self worth and making it difficult for the individual to permit any close emotional contacts.

Saturn's sign indicates what you find uncomfortable and must learn to manage.
Where and how you feel a lack of confidence -- the house position of Saturn defines where
you need to establish your skills, an issue you worry about and wish you could depend on !

Lovely anecdote about Saturn from member mahaira on astrologyweekly.com,

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There's an interesting thing I read somewhere, which I would never take as a rule as it oversimplifies matters - we can guess where someone's Saturn is placed, broadly speaking, by asking him/her "What do you want (or did want) but don't have?"

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Takes 28 years to go around zodiac. Stays in each sign of approx 2.1/2 yrs
Keywords: Saturn = Structure, duty, limitation, restriction.

When Saturn and Uranus fall in the same sign or house we get caught in a cleft stick, wanting to make changes but fearing to let go of the old.

Saturn in the 9th house
Saturn's best positions are the 3rd and 9th houses. Gives a practical philosophy of life.
Not good for relationships with in-laws if afflicted. Best to live at a distance. Makes good teachers, professors, workers in publishing fields or scientific pursuits. Good at detailed work. Exacting and concentrative. Can be fanatical and intolerant in religious concerns if Saturn is afflicted.These people are influenced by the conservative religion and traditional values of their background. Even rebellion will change only the form and not the reality of their basic beliefs. Life or travel in foreign countries may be most successful if connected with work. Care should be taken to avoid difficulties in travel.Systems of belief you will judge according to their practical value and you will seek and desire personal ¬distinction through some achievement you have studied.

posted March 21, 2012 04:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Yep, that's me!

In other house systems my Saturn is in the 9th and even in the 10th though. Higher education is hard for me but that may be because in Placidus I have Neptune and Uranus in the 9th.

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posted March 21, 2012 04:35 PM            

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Originally posted by SmilingHeart:
I have Saturn, Uranus and Neptune all in the 5th house. I'd like to use Neptune for a different approach but unfortunately it's conjunct Saturn...

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There is more information here delineating Saturn, if not interested in research or learning astrology, please feel free to ignore and move on. I’m only here to help ---

Basic astrology forum discussing Saturn in houses http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000660.html
To enter this forum you need an extra password – astrology….

of course there are threads on all the outers and much more in Basic forum..

posted March 21, 2012 04:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
Not necessarily. All the famous artistic geniuses in the world were pretty much obsessed with getting it right.

You could just as well shine in art.

And we could just now be talking to a future Van Gogh

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posted March 21, 2012 04:37 PM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
So which house do you feel you lack confidence in?

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All of them

No seriously though, I think Saturn in the 11th fits me best. But maybe that's because it's in Aquarius..

posted March 21, 2012 04:42 PM            

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Originally posted by SmilingHeart:
Oh my, Linda! No talking about genius or I will start to believe it!

So Saturn destoys Neptunes rose-colored glasses. I think saggi also mentioned this in the Neptune thread.
Could there be potential for Neptune to free itself? Or has Saturn an iron grip?
My hope is for Uranus conj Neptune to do it's work.

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Saturn doesn't 'destroy' anything, it adds structure, boundaries and hard work.Without saturn and too much neptune or uranus, you wouldn't be able to bring through the neptune creativity...something has to keep your grounded.

posted March 21, 2012 04:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
All right, I think I see.

Basically what you do is read the interpretation of Saturn in a sign, and then Saturn in a house, and just blend them together? Like, Saturn in Leo in the 4th would mean someone who has a hard time expressing themselves, or who feel uncreative, and at the same time, this person would have had a cold family atmosphere? I guess it's a mix of both.

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posted March 21, 2012 04:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
All of them

No seriously though, I think Saturn in the 11th fits me best. But maybe that's because it's in Aquarius..

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Aaaah I have saturn here wide orb conj MC

Saturn in the 11th house
Hard to obtain goals and objectives but they can be attained if the person will be patient and willing to work. Have to earn everything with this position of Saturn. If it is done the rewards are great, and life gets better as it advances.Many acquaintances, but few intimates. An unrecognised fear of the demands made due to friendship. Attracted to older people. Saturn may delay but does not deny objectives.You will have a strong sense of responsibility towards friendships, groups and team work. You will seek to know important people in order to advance your status and self ¬confidence by taking notice of their wise advise. You will be cautious concerning your own principles. Social standing very important.
These people either keep themselves to themselves or overcome their shyness by joining societies in which social life is centred around a purpose, sometimes political. Friends are often older and more experienced.

posted March 21, 2012 04:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Can we really apply the same description to Saturn in a house and to Saturn in the sign that rules that house?

Example: can we apply the same characteristics to Saturn in Cancer and Saturn in the 4th? Or Saturn in Leo and Saturn in the 5th, etc?

I know that's what Ami did, but I just want to make sure (in my case Saturn is both in Aquarius and in the 11th, so I can't really tell the difference).

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planets in houses http://www.horoscopeswithin.com/planetsinhouses.php
Houses/signs are like the backdrop of a stage/theatre, planets in houses behave like actors on a stage, the *aspects* show how these planets/actor behave in a house

remember planets are modified by signs, where they express are houses and how they express are *aspects*