posted March 23, 2012 10:11 AM            

I want to share some thoughts on planets conjunct the MC and opposed to the IC. This is based on a few charts and a few discussions so may not be right.If it does not hold water, I will withdraw it. I will start with a chart in which the Moon is conjunct the MC. This person would show his emotions to the world. The moon is unaspected and so that makes it naked, in a sense. The unaspected planet is out there for all to see as it tries to get it’s bearings and go from the buried state to actualization. For the purposes of this discussion, the fact that it is unaspected does not matter. I want to concentrate on the the planet’s placement on the MC. So, in this instance we have a Moon conjunct the MC. My theory is that the person could NOT use this planet on the IC as the MC is opposed to the IC. That is my theory. The person who is destined to show a planet to the world could not show it in his childhood. Hence, the planet was empowered with steam to show itself, so to speak.The planet shot like a rocket from the IC to the MC where it is destined to shine. However, it got it’s impetus from not being able to be expressed in the IC/childhood. I will take each planet and give my opinion with respect to this working theory.

Sun conj the MC—the native had to hide his sun in childhood. He struggled mightily with his identity to such an extent that he came on the MC scene as a star– a shining light. A planet conjunct the MC will have struggled with the nature of that planet on the IC. This struggle will be a hallmark of his childhood, according to my working theory

Moon conj the MC–I did this in the prior example.

Venus conj the MV–the native did not feel connected to his own sense of beauty and love or struggled with it to a large degree in childhood. He may have wanted to be social as Venus rules social graces. He may have felt ackward.He may have wanted to shine in the arts as Venus rules the beauty of music and art. In some way, the native had to squelch his Venus.

Mars conj the MC–the native may not have felt connected to his drives. Perhaps, he was squelched as a child. Perhaps, he could not show his anger,passion or aggression. Hence, he became like a volcano propelled to express himself to the world, on the MC.

Saturn conj the MC–the child may not have been able to be disciplined in childhood even though he craved it.Perhaps, his house was out of control and disordered. When he grew up, he placed a premium on discipline, order and a persistent striving for a goal.

Neptune conj the MC–the child may have not been allowed his imaginary world. Perhaps, his life was very harsh and lacking in the softening aspects of Neptune to make the world a more beautiful place. Hence, his goal is to bring Neptune to the world. He may deal with some form of fantasy as in a Walt Disney etc

Uranus conj the MC–the child may have been forced into a tight box when he wished to run free with his own individuality. As such, he craves to make a unique statement in the world.

Pluto conj the MC–the child may have not been allowed to have his own power. His power may have been taken by a Narcissistic parent, for example. His passion in life is to deal with power in his career and society. I do not mean this to sound as if it involves a malicious intent. It is not a good or bad issue. We are talking about the energies of the planets

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posted March 23, 2012 10:13 AM            

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posted March 23, 2012 11:36 AM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
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I notice your new tone of greater sensitivity, Saggi. I have have a million learning experiences, in the same way, as we all do, every single person who is striving to mature!

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posted March 23, 2012 11:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Chiron near the MC I'll talk to you about it later.

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Kewl That would be a hard one.

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posted March 23, 2012 11:53 AM            

But, my South Node is conjunct the MC as well so I'm sure that doesn't help matters...
Hate both those aspects lots.

posted March 23, 2012 12:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Oliviaaa:
Ohh, bless you. I also have Chiron conjunct the MC! Not sure what you're gonna say about it, but for me.. it sucks. HATE IT!!!!!!!!!

But, my South Node is conjunct the MC as well so I'm sure that doesn't help matters...
Hate both those aspects lots.

Edit: Thought I had quoted Faith! That's what I meant to do...

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Is your Chiron Retro *trying to drum up interest in my article *

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posted March 23, 2012 12:19 PM            

The destiny of a planet on the MC is to show it to the world so you each have to show pain to the world--in some way.

Does that fit?

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posted March 23, 2012 12:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Think about this Faith and Oliviaa.
Chiron conj the MC may have been a childhood where you were not allowed to have your pain.You had to hide it away. As a result, it became like a volcano and shot to the MC(figuratively Saggi he he) and hence has a power in the MC placement.

The destiny of a planet on the MC is to show it to the world so you each have to show pain to the world--in some way.

Does that fit?

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No ma'am my Chiron is not retro.. thankfully!! And I promise I read your article.

But you actually did point something out that did happen a lot in my childhood and, actually, still happens. I'll try to elaborate; No matter what kind of pain I would experience.. whether it was emotional, physical, just whatever.. it was never valued. Always brushed off. I was always made to feel I was being over sensitive, or trying to feel sorry for myself. I would ALWAYS be told "Others have it worse." and that I needed to get over it. No consoling or help or anything..
Like, you know the old example of someone, a kid specifically, complaining or just even venting about something, and the parent or authority figure comes back with "There are people over in third world countries who don't even have anything to eat, you don't have it that bad"? It was kind of like that, in a way. Except it was EVERYTIME.. no matter WHAT it was. I wasn't allowed to feel anything, really. Any level of sadness or other emotion besides happiness wasn't valid in their eyes. And even when I would get sick! Cold, flu.. what have you. I'd just get told I needed to buck up.. how I COULD be in the hospital in ICU.. that'd be way worse, you know...
And like I said, I still experience it in my close relationships.. friends and so forth. Always make me feel that I'm making something bigger than it is.
So, as a result of all that I've became very guarded with my emotions and of myself in general. It's something to even be writing all this on here, let me tell you!

Sorry for writing so much.. was trying to be explanatory for you Miss Ami.

posted March 23, 2012 12:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Oliviaaa:
No ma'am my Chiron is not retro.. thankfully!! And I promise I read your article.

But you actually did point something out that did happen a lot in my childhood and, actually, still happens. I'll try to elaborate; No matter what kind of pain I would experience.. whether it was emotional, physical, just whatever.. it was never valued. Always brushed off. I was always made to feel I was being over sensitive, or trying to feel sorry for myself. I would ALWAYS be told "Others have it worse." and that I needed to get over it. No consoling or help or anything..
Like, you know the old example of someone, a kid specifically, complaining or just even venting about something, and the parent or authority figure comes back with "There are people over in third world countries who don't even have anything to eat, you don't have it that bad"? It was kind of like that, in a way. Except it was EVERYTIME.. no matter WHAT it was. I wasn't allowed to feel anything, really. Any level of sadness or other emotion besides happiness wasn't valid in their eyes. And even when I would get sick! Cold, flu.. what have you. I'd just get told I needed to buck up.. how I COULD be in the hospital in ICU.. that'd be way worse, you know...
And like I said, I still experience it in my close relationships.. friends and so forth. Always make me feel that I'm making something bigger than it is.
So, as a result of all that I've became very guarded with my emotions and of myself in general. It's something to even be writing all this on here, let me tell you!

Sorry for writing so much.. was trying to be explanatory for you Miss Ami.

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That is EXACTLY what I mean. You did not write too much.It was wonderful.I think I would like to add it to my article if I could!

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posted March 23, 2012 12:52 PM            

Yes the hallmark of my childhood was dealing with an emotional abusive mother.

posted March 23, 2012 12:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
That is EXACTLY what I mean. You did not write too much.It was wonderful.I think I would like to add it to my article if I could!

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posted March 23, 2012 03:49 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
If anything,person owns MC planet only.
It is product of work and progress,time and journey to dream-realisation,[that pursuit of happiness people are all about] and you chose to see it as opposition to IC rather than conj to MC only?
I never seen people commenting ASC planets as DSC opposed

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You can look at the ASC/DSC the same way.

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posted March 23, 2012 06:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Oliviaaa:
No ma'am my Chiron is not retro.. thankfully!! And I promise I read your article.

But you actually did point something out that did happen a lot in my childhood and, actually, still happens. I'll try to elaborate; No matter what kind of pain I would experience.. whether it was emotional, physical, just whatever.. it was never valued. Always brushed off. I was always made to feel I was being over sensitive, or trying to feel sorry for myself. I would ALWAYS be told "Others have it worse." and that I needed to get over it. No consoling or help or anything..
Like, you know the old example of someone, a kid specifically, complaining or just even venting about something, and the parent or authority figure comes back with "There are people over in third world countries who don't even have anything to eat, you don't have it that bad"? It was kind of like that, in a way. Except it was EVERYTIME.. no matter WHAT it was. I wasn't allowed to feel anything, really. Any level of sadness or other emotion besides happiness wasn't valid in their eyes. And even when I would get sick! Cold, flu.. what have you. I'd just get told I needed to buck up.. how I COULD be in the hospital in ICU.. that'd be way worse, you know...
And like I said, I still experience it in my close relationships.. friends and so forth. Always make me feel that I'm making something bigger than it is.
So, as a result of all that I've became very guarded with my emotions and of myself in general. It's something to even be writing all this on here, let me tell you!

Sorry for writing so much.. was trying to be explanatory for you Miss Ami.

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DITTO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Example from childhood:

Me: "Mom Ben punched me in the face again!"

Mom: "So?"

Me: "Sooo there's blood running down my chin and..."

Mom: "And you tattled on your brother."

posted March 23, 2012 06:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Oliviaaa:
Ohh, bless you. I also have Chiron conjunct the MC! Not sure what you're gonna say about it, but for me.. it sucks. HATE IT!!!!!!!!!

But, my South Node is conjunct the MC as well so I'm sure that doesn't help matters...
Hate both those aspects lots.

Edit: Thought I had quoted Faith! That's what I meant to do...

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Wow, I am SO glad you wrote this, obviously I have some issues with complaining, so thank you for putting it into words FOR me.

My SN is also near the MC. Nice to meet you!

posted March 23, 2012 06:40 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
I have Sun conjunct MC
MOON/Neptune conjunct IC

Yes the hallmark of my childhood was dealing with an emotional abusive mother.

I have always felt my SUN/MC though.

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Interesting athene

So you were made to be a star

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posted March 23, 2012 06:48 PM              

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Originally posted by Oliviaaa:
Ohh, bless you. I also have Chiron conjunct the MC! Not sure what you're gonna say about it, but for me.. it sucks. HATE IT!!!!!!!!!

But, my South Node is conjunct the MC as well so I'm sure that doesn't help matters...
Hate both those aspects lots.

Edit: Thought I had quoted Faith! That's what I meant to do...

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Chiron and the Mid-Heaven: The Mid-Heaven and the Nadir are exactly opposite each other and have to be considered as one axis. Something aspecting one of them will also aspect the other. A Chiron aspect here could affect the career and public image (Mid-Heaven) and the domestic environment as well (Nadir). Relations with both parents are also affected. If there is a conjunction with the MC, the effect is similar to Chiron in the 10th house, and the career could be in a Chiron related field, such as education. If Chiron makes the conjunction from the 9th house side, then any potential Chiron problems would tend to be suppressed and driven into the subconscious. The result could be success in a career that one thinks they like, but is not really satisfying. A similar situation could occur with the opposition to the Mid-Heaven from the 3rd house. In this case, there could be something about the domestic environment that makes one uneasy. The cure for both of these situations is a constant effort to bring the hidden problems to the surface.
Any Chiron aspect to the Mid-Heaven/Nadir axis will affect relations with both parents, but hey, what else is new? Who doesn't have a bone to pick with their parents at one time or another? The real lesson here is to leave the past in the past and get on with our lives. Rona Barrett, the gossip columnist, is a good example here as well. She has Chiron in conjunction with the Mid-Heaven and has become famous by talking about the famous and their problems. http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/chiron21.5.html

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The lives of people who have Chiron conjunct either Node strongly reflect the Chironian themes. They may embody one of the figures from the myth, living out the role of teacher, wise person, healer, mentor, saviour, victim, sufferer, wounded one, wounder, devotee or apprentice. They will have a strong sense of VOCATION in Chironian fields such as teaching or healing; alternatively they may have intimate relationships with therapists, priests, people who are ill or physically or mentally handicapped.

When Chiron is in hard aspect to the Nodes, if its themes are not lived consciously, perhaps through commitment to a personal quest for consciousness or following a healing vocation; they usually manifest themselves anyway, and can even take over the person's life in a negative way.

this and much more in Basic forum

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posted March 23, 2012 07:22 PM              

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What you need for yourself is exactly what others need from you.

Before we get there, each of us is a shaman being torn apart, sometimes by competing realities like making a living and living our true vocation. Before we’re put back together again, in the underworld, it feels like hell—because it is. Being pulled apart that way is akin to being drawn and quartered.

When you’re on your own Chironic journey, looking to find truth, examine what makes you angry. One of the things I cannot abide from my Catholic roots is how, as a kid, people in my home religion talked about priests and nuns getting “a vocation” or the calling to religious life. The word vocation is used only in this context, as if the only calling on earth were the seminary or joining a religious order. Ire rising cued me into how important vocation really is to everyone. No one has a copyright on vocation. It’s as essential to fulfillment as breathing. Most of us need more vacations, but we cannot fulfill ourselves without one good vocation.

If you doubt you’ve found your true vocation, ask yourself from a totally centered place, to fill in the blank: “I am a _____.” My answer has been writer since before I knew the question. Vocation does not necessarily equate to job. Your vocation could be mother, friend, confidant, or life of the party.

I am lucky that despite all my side roads to “make a living,” I still stayed on course with my essential vocation. I used those side trips to hone my craft. I wrote extensively in every job. Chiron tells you something about your vocation, and you begin to become whole when you live and breathe that essential part of yourself. You need it, and your tribe (society) needs it. It’s your calling http://www.zanestein.com/Chiron_Vocation.htm

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this is AN excellent site for chiron and things like asteriods, fixed stars

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Chiron conjunct Midheaven
You bring much wisdom to your chosen profession, but only after facing your own feelings of inadequacy. You may choose a career as a healer or teacher. Counselling in one form or another could well prove to be a fulfilling means of expressing your innate talents. A parent may have been badly wounded in a public sense, or wounded through their public life. You could become a leading public figure in the healing field, certainly the potential is there should you ever care to cultivate it.
*North Node conjunct Midheaven
It is highly likely that you will make a great deal of progress in life through a career or an occupation that places you in a role enabling you to serve the public. This might include politics, the local council, chairing committee meetings, speaking in public, the theatre or even a role in the film making industry. The people that you meet through your career are those that are able to promote your interests and further your growth. Just ensure that you combine the interests of others along with fulfilling your own. Try not to get too big for your own boots, which is likely to be the challenge you face with this configuration.

South Node conjunct the Midheaven
This configuration could well imply that you will meet many people through your career and interaction with the public, with whom you may have shared past lives. This could suggest that you have been a popular and even an important person, with stature and power in a previous life. In this life, you may find that you need to learn more about playing the back stop or somewhat of a less significant role in life. There may be less glamour, less of a chance to stand out, to appear important or hold a position in life that warrants any authority. This may prove to be rather frustrating, particularly if you have always been afforded respect in the past, where, perhaps, your word was law. There may be a need in this lifetime to learn more about humility, which does not condemn you to a life of servitude, but simply that of learning more about service to mankind, and to others, without too much thought of personal reward, splendour or glamour. This is what you have to leave behind: the desire for recognition by others. This is your challenge with this configuration. [URL=http://rugdeeaustralia.tripod.com/id18.html]http://rugdeeaustralia.tripod.com/id18.html

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posted March 23, 2012 07:28 PM              

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I have Sun conjunct MC
MOON/Neptune conjunct IC

Yes the hallmark of my childhood was dealing with an emotional abusive mother.

I have always felt my SUN/MC though.

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Sun conjunct Midheaven:
With the Sun as the most elevated planet in the chart there is every chance that you will either a] have a strong desire to rise to a prominent position in life, or b] possess the potential to do so [whether you consciously acknowledge this potential or not]. Any role that places you centre stage or that offers you the chance to shine out there, in the eyes of the public, should fit quite comfortably. This placement can even suggest a role in life wherein you could be considered quite well known or even famous. Those with this placement would do well to learn at the earliest age, how to project themselves in public most effectively, if they wish to express themselves to their full potential. This position of the Sun can also suggest a craving to be seen to be successful or playing a prominent role in the eyes of the world, a craving for fame even. Certainly it provides the potential to achieve some degree of recognition in life through ones profession or career.
This placement can also suggest that there is a potential to play a leading role in some department of life, whether this is recognised on a conscious level or not, the potential is there nonetheless. Others may look to you to take the initiative or to take a leading role in some way, certainly circumstances are likely to arise that present opportunities for the development of that potential. It helps enormously if you have some idea that this hidden potential is just waiting to be cultivated and developed to its full potential. You are not meant to play the role of a wallflower in this life with this placement, but to seek opportunities from which you can shine out there in the eyes of the world.
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posted March 23, 2012 07:39 PM              

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

I notice your new tone of greater sensitivity, Saggi. I have have a million learning experiences, in the same way, as we all do, every single person who is striving to mature!

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posted March 23, 2012 09:05 PM            

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posted March 23, 2012 09:07 PM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
same back at you SIS, hope it gets easier for you in time with the old decision making skills.....

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posted March 23, 2012 09:09 PM            

I have Venus and Sun conjunct MC from opposite sides (9th and 10th houses).

I would agree that I probably struggled with my sense of self and my awkward social graces when I was a kid. I was very quiet and shy to start with (which is the opposite of me now). However, with those planets being on the MC, it doesn't matter how much I struggled to blend in, I couldn't. I was always a controversial figure to others (in childhood and also now as an adult) even when I tried SO HARD to just be like everyone else or at least to hide my different/controversial thoughts about the world... I just couldn't. People would make grand assumptions about my character that weren't (aren't) true. It was a lot for a kid to deal with.

But... Maybe not more than anyone else??? I really don't know. Not sure it always fully had to do with my luminaries conjuncting my MC. However, the feeling there was and always has been that I just GET NOTICED wherever I go, even if I'm trying to keep myself out of other people's business. And the irony is, I usually AM trying to keep myself out of everyone else's business, but I keep getting dragged back in because of assumptions (or projections) on the part of others about what I'm thinking/feeling/doing.

Let me put it this way: I've lost friends who thought I was a snob because I was smart and quiet (this was when I was a kid). I've lost roommates because they thought I secretly hated them based on false gossip they had heard (not even remotely true and could have been remedied easily if they had TALKED to me). I've lost partners/potential partners due to the fact that they thought I was a weak and submissive personality that they could push their own personalities onto (quiet strength is NOT a sign of weakness people; it just meant I refused to use their tactics to get my point across).

Essentially, having planets on the MC, to me, is like being a giant movie projector screen for everyone else to project their own stuff on to. That being said, I'm more than sure I've had people project POSITIVE things onto me as well, but they aren't as noticeable because the negative projections are what messes things up. The concept of ME seems to be polarizing without my meaning it to be.