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IndigoDirae
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posted March 31, 2012 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by alaz7200:

Creative writing seems to be a talent that Moon/Mercury confers. The imagination with this aspect is quite pronounced. With all of those aspects to your Mercury, your mind must be bountiful in thought! My only concern would be that your thought processes may be somewhat somber, especially as Mercury-Jupiter-Saturn configurations are notorious as sign of bi-polar disorder. Throw in Uranus, and it could get crazy! How do you fare?

Cripes, as a Ura-Moon-Merc, I gotta jump in here.

To be honest, my writing partner has saved me. My brain doesn't work in ANY sort of linear fashion. I've ALWAYS been writing with flashbacks and forwards and sideways and concurrent parallel timelines, and so on. Without someone to help keep you grounded in reality, it's easy to get, well, lost.

This is JJ Abrams' problem, honestly. I can't fault the man too much (even though I do, hypocrite that I am). He has brilliant ideas and really no clue as to how they need to be put together.

I've always needed someone with a similarly wired mind (Moon-Merc conj - but in Sag) who can see the big picture, and let me do my magic with the details. He puts down some broad strokes, and I start adding in the texture and atmosphere. Sure a lot of people go crazy over the minutiae, but I'm very honest about how, without his framework, I'd have a whole bunch of really amazing things that don't apply to anything anywhere.

His Saturn's smack on my Moon-Merc, too, and you'd better believe we have our moments of, 'What the f*ck are you doing?' where I then have to explain the ingeniousness of my plan (total sarcasm here, but it COULD be) which THEN becomes apparent after he's given me some parametres. Otherwise? Jesus. My imagination knows no bounds.

Time? PFFTH. That's for sissy pants writers who like to be limited. We're doing a three-part intercut, continuous take, with ... musical sequences!

Okay. Not the musical sequence. Usually his, 'What the f*ck are you doing?' comments are in reference to my musical sequences. But, I'm telling you, ELO's 'The Way Life's Meant to Be' is begging for my brilliant arrangement, and I will have it.

... Minus the car chase and explosions. At times, it's like working with Michael Bay, age 12. But he does keep me from it becoming too 'A Room With a View'. Together, it's much more, 'A Room With a View ... of Hell! Staircase of Satan ... POND OF DEATH! (Especially because he's also a comedian. Scorpionic melodrama + Sagittarian sardonism = transgressive wonderment.) Even if our composite is basically EVERYTHING conjunct in Scorpio. Works for the genre, though. Intense drama, dark comedy, and really powerful themes.

Speaking of writing, I need to get back on that. OH, I could 'talk' to you guys forever.

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posted March 31, 2012 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for the89freespirit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a very close Moon-Mercury sextile, by 1 degree.

I relate to a lot of what has been written. My thoughts are really charged up by my feelings. The line between the two of them is very thin at times. I've read Moon-Mercury people tend to know how to grasp both the logical and emotional nuances of a situation (at least those with softer aspects like the trine or sextile). So we do tend to be good people to talk to because we can comfort emotionally and snap a little sense into people at the same time; not "cold" but not sappy either.

I can be really talkative when something interests me. Otherwise, I am rather quiet sometimes but I still have an endless internal monologue. However, I do find myself to be a very natural conversationalist. When I'm engaged, I really do know how to go with the flow of it. I also find I express myself much more clearly and easily than most people. I get remarks regularly on how articulate I am, but I guess it comes so naturally that I don't really realize it.

And yes I love creative writing. I tend to attribute this more so to my Virgo stellium (Mercury's also in Virgo, dignified) than this one particular aspect. I have also noticed how my replies on here are always in essay format.

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posted March 31, 2012 05:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alaz7200     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I unconsciously judge someone on their ability to communicate like a rational human being in the written word. I'll use it for comedic effect, but anyone who sends me anything remotely like, 'c u l8r' is NEVER going to see me later - or again.

Were we separated at birth?!

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sand
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posted March 31, 2012 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
merc in aries h7 or h6 still undecided on that one
square moon in leo h10. both are conj angles.

my moon loses this one but i dunno y merc in aries is more powerful. none are really dignified. all i know is i think very rationally and almost completely emotionless. i guess merc would be dignified in h6 and moon is detriment in h10..

Mercury square Moon
The square aspect between the Moon and Mercury indicates inner tension, stress, and frustration, and a need for a radical inner adaptation to rebalance these two conflicting energies. Conscious change is required to overcome conflict between your conscious mind and protective lunar habit patterns.
One likely imbalance is an unconscious lunar domination of your rational mind, where thought processes are subverted by deep emotions and feelings, with a consequence that decisions, judgements, or objective evalutaion are influenced by emotionally charged attitudes. Such unconscious attitudes and values - possibly absorbed during early childhood or from parents - can condition present choices, where issues of the past still dominate your current life.

Simply put, head and heart can be in constant conflict within you; decisions may be made according to which is dominant at any given time. This temporary supremacy can vary, like a pendulum movement, and may also be related to the sign, house, and element that each planet is in. It may be that one planet consistently dominates, and the other one becomes repressed. If Mercury dominates, then the Moon activity can sink deeper into the unconscious mind, influencing you more subtly and pervaisvely from a hidden position where the emotional coloration is less noticeable to you than to others. If Mercury is repressed, then rationality and logic may diminish, and choices may be influenced by insistent emotions, instincts, and feelings; habit patterns may often be security-biased. Sometimes you may observe that, when attempting to restore inner balance, Mercury begins to excessively rationalize feelings and emotions. If this is allowed to persist, you may start to deny the validity of your emotions and feelings, and in so doing repress your Moon sensitivity, creating another imbalance.

Inner tension can reflect insecurity and self-doubt, creating highly nervous activity prompted by disharmony between the personality's conscious and unconscious levels. Sometimes this can manifest as psychosomatic illness, especially nervous illness, digestive problems, and diseases related to the activity of body fluids. Another problem could emerge from self-centeredness and separative ways of living and expression. You may rely on fixed attitudes, thoughts, beliefs, and values for a sense of stable security; but these can also create relationship difficulties if you act inflexibly. Whenever someone else's opinion differs from yours, you may react with aggressive defensiveness, without first considering the value of another point of view. You hate suggestions from others that you may be wrong, as this makes you feel insecure. Your response to this is often defiant and compulsively assertive. Paranoid feelings often accompany this reaction; and you can be very touchy emotionally, often triggering off misunderstandings and communication breakdown.

With strangers you always feel insecure and on the defensive; even with closer friends, acquaintances, and family this pattern persists, although with les belligerence. Yet even in the family home, you react against having to change to accommodate others. Self-centeredly, you believe they should change to suit you;; the fact that they may not wish to do so is apparently of little concern to you.

Yet you can often communicate quite well with those with whom you feel safe, often revealing a touching if slightly immature and sentimental emotionality about such relationships. Your hidden dependency on such intimates may not always be realized or acknowledged.

Relationships would improve if you were less self-preoccupied, seeing others' needs as being as important as your own, and giving to others what you are so busy taking for yourself. Attention needs to be directed externally for you to become aware that others have equal needs and difficulties. Through mutual support, all can benefit and have a more enjoyable life.

Sometimes your needs and concerns can become obsessive; and you rarely see that this represents immaturity and lack of integration. Ways that you evade making necessary inner changes can include obsessions with trivia and matters of inconsequence, continual chatter, which can create unsatisfactory relationships and wastes energy instead of using it positively to change internal stress through self-understanding.

Mercury is often represessed by a dominant Moon whenever issues of personal security dominate life, much like a demanding infant wanting immediate satisfaction. Because of this, you can lack rationality and objectivity, as noted in signs of immaturity, a lack of self-understanding, and a surfeit of emotional bias. Sometimes your ability to discriminate between reality and illusion, fact and fiction, is weak. You can often be full of unresolved questions, uncertain of what you really think and feel about life and people, even though you defend whatever thoughts you are presenting.

There can be a state of 'life-confusion' which persists until inner transformation is achieved; dissolving several internal barriers between yourself and others is essential. This can prove beneficial and help to release previously unexpressed positive, constructive energies. Frustrations can gradually dissolve if you direct energy toward the path of growth and self-development.

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VenusDiSirius
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posted March 31, 2012 06:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Emotional intelligence,but subjectivity also.
With oppo battle of heart and head,not easy at.all.

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alaz7200
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posted March 31, 2012 07:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alaz7200     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Emotional intelligence,but subjectivity also.
With oppo battle of heart and head,not easy at.all.

Do you have the opposition? What more can you share?

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alaz7200
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posted March 31, 2012 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alaz7200     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Taineberry:
Alaz & Swift... Your posts were real eye openers for me. I resonate with them greatly as I have had similar
experiences. As far as maths is concerned- I grasp the concepts quickly but don't use it much, even though I got really good marks. However, I do a LOT of creative writing - I have written children's books and articles, and I am now busy with an adult novel. Also. I am a natural scholar.... As you pointed out, there is a fundamental need for knowledge with this aspect. I have the opposition.

Thanks for the gratitude! I bask in solace knowing a topic I generated has been of aid to at least one soul.

It does seem as though each of us Moon/Mercury oppositions can relate to one another very acutely. How do you fare emotionally? As I mentioned earlier, it's seldom that I'm brought to tears, as I tend to rationalize before it comes to that. However, I have a grand air trine, which may be the cause of that.

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posted March 31, 2012 07:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by alaz7200:
Do you have the opposition? What more can you share?


No Moon/Merc aspect in my chart.

This is aspect of tendency to rationalise. No emo guts,one would prefer to drag the sentiment along,deciphering it at their own leisure and convenience. Consciously lying yourself.

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posted March 31, 2012 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alaz7200     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:

No Moon/Merc aspect in my chart.

This is aspect of tendency to rationalise. No emo guts,one would prefer to drag the sentiment along,deciphering it at their own leisure and convenience. Consciously lying yourself.


How is it consciously lying to yourself? What experience are you drawing from?

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posted March 31, 2012 08:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
~~~ Rationalising,as I said.

My experience as shaman

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posted March 31, 2012 09:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hskahn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
my son has moon in aquarius opposite mercury in leo. he doesn't consider himself overly intelligent but is a great salesman bec (i think) he can achieve emotional rapport with others and is smart about what the public needs and is attracted to. he is a little shy and private so he is reserved and private, too. his moon is square saturn so he is a responsible man.

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Originally posted by Taineberry:
I have Moon opposite Mercury. Integration of the rational and subconscious mind is important to me. The best illustration of how this plays out for me is that I do hypnotherapy (part time, but nevertheless I am fully certified to practice.)

I am not extremely outgoing, in fact I fairly reserved, especially at first. Once I have established an emotional rapport with someone, I do like to chat. Writing (Merc)also gives me a lot of emotional satisfation (Moon).


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posted March 31, 2012 09:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hskahn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i have aries moon inconjunct merc in virgo. i have lots of thoughts to express but my words always seem "off"--something unconscious that gives my words a weird ring although i express myself well in writing.
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Originally posted by alaz7200:
Do you have them in your chart? Do you know anyone with them?

I've read that any aspect (especially the hard ones) between the two confers supreme intelligence, given that their planetary archetypes integrate the rational and subconscious minds.

These folk are known as chatty, animated, outgoing and lively. Perhaps gossipy, too, with a penchant for story-telling and/or performing.

Any info would be much appreciated! Thank you.


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posted March 31, 2012 11:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alaz7200     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looks like we've usurped all we can from this thread, but one question remains.

The Moon is descriptive of one's mother, so how did you all experience your maternal experience? Would you term it "mercurial"? Did your mother encourage your intellectual development or challenge you mentally? Was she highly intelligent or talkative herself?

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posted April 01, 2012 12:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
i have moon in the third house trining mercury,neptune,and uranus in the eleventh,and i am intelligent,atleast im told i am,and people tell me listening to my stories is entertaining ,i also write poetry from time to time.

hey, i have moon in the third too. i like to write with my creativity and my emotion, i also have a fondness for poetry.

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posted April 01, 2012 02:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chironrising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted April 01, 2012 06:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Mental Chemistry in the Birth Chart
by Bob Makransky

Life is like bodysurfing: Most of the time, you�re just standing there, waiting for the right wave to come; then when it does come, you have to hurl yourself into it at precisely the correct moment and ride it to shore. If you�re a little too slow or a little too fast � or if it wasn�t the right wave � you�re left standing right where you were.

Dr. Marc Edmund Jones came up with a simple technique that indicates whether a person is too slow, too fast, or just right in grabbing and riding the waves of life.1 He called it �mental chemistry,� and it is shown by the combination of two horoscope factors:
1. Whether the Moon is relatively slow or fast in its daily travel;
2. Whether Mercury rises before or after the Sun.

The Moon�s relative speed shows a native�s perceptual capabilities: how a person processes information, whether his or her perceptions are alert (fast Moon) or deliberate (slow Moon). The Moon�s daily travel is simply the difference between the Moon�s longitude at midnight (or noon) Universal Time before birth and its longitude at midnight (or noon) UT after birth. Because this averages 13�10� (13.37�) per day, we will define a native�s perception to be alert if the Moon was moving faster than this on the day of birth � and deliberate, if the Moon was moving more slowly than this.

In the words of Al H. Morrison: �The �fast� Moon � scans rapidly with a wide-open search pattern. If there is anything going on, anything new or unfamiliar, anything different from expectation, it is instantly perceived. In a complex environment, as most social environments are, there are so many details and processes to notice that the �fast� Moon native has his mind receiving an avalanche of input, fresh data.�2

On the other hand, �Where the Moon is slow in its apparent motion, the native�s perceptual capabilities are focused, or directed toward observing whatever the native is motivated to seek, or has been conditioned to pay attention to, or whatever he fears. Other information is simply not perceived, not observed. This leaves the mind relatively lightly burdened, with minimal input of perceived data to process.�3

The Moon�s speed, however, does not merely symbolize how fast information is gathered and processed; it also describes how people gather themselves together and gird themselves for action. The natives whose perceptions are alert move quickly to get on top of a situation: Their immediate impulse is to attack. They like things to be clear and definite and aboveboard, so they are nonplused by subtleties. When they have a bee in their bonnet, they have no patience for any other point of view, nor are they interested in exploring possible consequences and ramifications � they don�t even want to hear about such things. They move by impulse and instinct; they make up their minds immediately, and once their minds are made up, they cannot be budged or moved to reconsider. In conflict, they try to take their opponents by storm, to overwhelm them, to give them no space in which to move. Their actions and reactions are quick and decisive.

In contrast, natives whose perceptions are deliberate move slowly and hesitatingly: Their immediate impulse is to draw back. They approach things by indirection, by outflanking the situation, by bogging things down and operating under the cover of confusion. Where the alert types act like sharks, the deliberate types act like octopuses � hiding on the bottom and masking their intentions in a cloud of murk. In conflict, these individuals refuse to expose themselves but rather outwait their opponents, letting them make the errors.
The other horoscope factor that makes up a person�s mental chemistry is Mercury�s position relative to the Sun at the moment of birth. If Mercury is located earlier than the Sun in the zodiac � so that, at dawn on the birthday, Mercury has already risen (is in the 12th house) � then the native�s attitude is said to be eager. Whereas if Mercury is located later than the Sun in the zodiac � so that, at dawn on the birthday, Mercury is still beneath the horizon (in the 1st house) � then the native�s attitude is said to be certain. (See Table below.) The difference here lies in how people categorize information, interpret it, and fit it into preconceived patterns, whether these be individualistic (eager) or conventional (certain). This is a process of reason or self-consciousness rather than one of knee-jerk response.

Mental Chemistry �Table of Elements�

BODY FACTOR TYPE
Moon Fast (moves more than 13�10� in 24 hours) Alert
(relative speed) Slow (moves less than 13�10� in 24 hours) Deliberate
Mercury Rises before the Sun (earlier in the zodiac) Eager
(relative to the Sun) Rises after the Sun (later in the zodiac) Certain

Note: When the Moon moves at, or very close to, average speed, the alert/deliberate distinction blurs; likewise, when Mercury is conjunct the Sun, the eager/certain distinction is of less importance. At these points, therefore, the Mental Chemistry technique is not as revealing as it is at the extremes.

In the words of Leyla Rael, �The Epimethean [certain] Mercury type of person tends to react to life more cautiously and based on past experience (either his or her own personal experience or according to traditional, cultural patterns). But while such a person is at best thorough and objective, mentally free from many purely emotional prejudices, at worst he or she can cling almost obsessively to obsolescent ideologies or display a conservatism bordering on rigidity. The Promethean [eager] Mercury type of person tends to leap into life with his or her mental antennae fully extended to receive information. While such a person may be able to act based on a compelling inner vision of what is possible � and at best may be flexible, prophetic, and responsive to the needs of the moment � at worst he or she may be merely conniving, facile, and crafty, going this way or that according to his or her own advantage.�4

Another way of saying this is that the �certain� natives need to be sure of themselves before they act � they need to feel that their actions will meet the approval of their social milieu. Thus, they are restrained and oriented toward goals and purposes. These natives interpret the world in terms of a guiding philosophy of social responsibility in which each member must do his or her own share, and they are scrupulous in observing their part of the bargain. They play the game by the rules � whatever they conceive those rules to be. They are wary and dutiful, and they put their faith in principle and obligation.

The �eager� natives, on the other hand, are unrestrained and experimentative. They don�t need any social authority to sanction their actions, but rather they follow their inclinations of the moment. They do what is expedient or convenient rather than what will be thought praiseworthy by others. They are optimistic and freewheeling and able to bounce right back whenever life slaps them down.

The Mental Mix
When there is a perceptive alertness combined with a rational certainty (fast Moon and Mercury rising after the Sun), then the native is quick to react but possesses a powerful governor on his or her impulses. An example of this alert�certain type is Abraham Lincoln: He was a shrewd and opportunistic politician, but his conscience and sense of responsibility for the consequences of his decisions made him a target for the radicals and extremists surrounding him.

Contrariwise, when there is a perceptive deliberation combined with a rational eagerness (slow Moon and Mercury rising before the Sun), then the native is slow to react but possesses compensatory flexibility and adaptability. Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln as president, is a good example of this deliberate�eager type: He held fast to his principles in complete isolation but always managed to come out on top � first, as the only Southerner to remain in the U.S. Senate after the secession of the Southern states and, later, by successfully defending himself against a trumped-up impeachment.

In both of these cases, there is a healthy balance between the perceptual and rational faculties: These natives are able to resolutely hold their ground in the face of confusion and to marshal their resources effectively to deal with situations as they arise. They are able to grapple directly with the problems of life and to take things as they come � to recognize which waves are the right waves and to know when to hold back and when to jump forward.

But when perceptive alertness combines with rational eagerness � fast Moon (alert) and Mercury rising before the Sun (eager) � or when perceptive deliberation combines with rational certainty � slow Moon (deliberate) and Mercury rising after the Sun (certain), then the perceptual and rational faculties are out of balance. Natives of these types are easily thrown off their stride or confounded by situations requiring quick decisions. They don�t really pay attention to what is going on around them, but rather only to their own reactions. The alert�eager types become flustered, and the deliberate�certain types become obstinate. In either case, these unbalanced natives tend to fall out of synchronization with the speed of their environment: Alert�eager natives move too fast, and deliberate�certain natives move too slow � their suggestions and actions are inappropriate.
Whereas the balanced types have self-control or an instantaneous analysis that reacts to sudden changes by stiffening to attention, the unbalanced types tend to either overreact or underreact � alternating between overweening cockiness and fierce indignation � with no middle ground of calm discernment. Thus, they tend to waste their energies in ineffectual posturing and are more interested in proving something or making an impression than working with other people. These natives are too set in their manner of being, too wrapped up in their own self-images, too self-satisfied, to make allowances for changing conditions or different types of people � they don�t really know how to interact. So, they tend to be escapists � to obsess over a niggling sense of personal privilege � rather than effectively deal with the realities of the situations and relationships in which they find themselves.

In the words of Dr. Jones, �When the effective set of mind � shows the combination of rational eagerness and perceptive alertness, the life is usually characterized by an altogether unnecessary impatience. The native is inclined to stumble over his own toes most of the time, and he is apt to end up with actions and associations that not only fail to fulfill their promise but often handicap him very seriously by exhausting every potentiality of his make-up.�5 Basically, what happens is that these natives are overly intense and pushy. They tend to blow minor issues out of all proportion and, conversely, to trivialize matters of the greatest urgency and seriousness. They run around in circles and don�t get anywhere. They set up a myriad of compulsive routines and are greatly annoyed whenever these are challenged or abrogated by circumstances. They have a fitful, flighty energy that is never comfortable or in repose; they are constantly fluttering and fussing about, making this or that unnecessary adjustment to the environment, to arrange everything neatly so that they can finally relax � but of course, they rarely do. They are constantly preparing for a future that never comes.

�Chemical� Imbalance
John Brown affords an extreme example of the alert�eager type (see Chart 1): His natal Moon was very fast (15�13� per day), and his Mercury was six days from Greatest Western Elongation, which is as far from the Sun on the �eager� side as it can get (earlier in the zodiac).6 Brown was a rabid abolitionist and the instigator of the Potawatomi massacre in Kansas, where many innocent people were killed; he then led an abortive attack on the federal arsenal at Harper�s Ferry, aimed at fomenting a slave insurrection. John Brown, likely more than any other single person, made any last-minute reconciliation impossible between the North and South. He pushed an already strained situation beyond the point of no return: �The John Brown raid had jangled Southern nerves fatally. It started a chain of hysteria like the �great fear� of 1789 in the French Revolution. Rumors of slave insurrection popped up on every side.... Extremists on both sides whipped up hostile sentiment between sections.�7 The alert�eager types are not so much ignorant of consequences as they are contemptuous of them. They shoot from the hip, push things to the limit, and stampede other people with their impatient absolutism.

In contrast, consider the opposite unbalanced type. According to Dr. Jones, �When the reason demands a continual certainty and the perceptivity tends to be deliberate, the individual is apt to withdraw within himself to an extent that hardly is to his interest and perhaps indeed to slip off into altogether abnormal practices and points of view.�8 Such deliberate�certain natives are perverse and contrary. They delight in phlegmatic wrongheadedness, in controlling things by being in no particular hurry. They make good diplomats, because they are willing to spend years holding out for the precise shape of the conference table or the order of seating around it. They are more concerned with form and decorum than with substantive issues. They tend to confuse indifference with disinterest, obduracy with strength, stodgy pride with nobility of spirit. They will not budge an inch from their inflated sense of dignity and righteousness until they are completely overwhelmed by events, and then their responses are usually too little, too late. They tend to be preoccupied with self-congratulations, gloating with smug pride over a past that never happened.

William Jennings Bryan (see Chart 2) provides a very extreme example of the deliberate�certain type: His natal Moon was very slow (11�47� per day), and natal Mercury was three days past Greatest Eastern Elongation, which is as far from the Sun on the �certain� side as it can get (later in the zodiac). Bryan is principally remembered today as a thrice unsuccessful presidential candidate and the butt of defense attorney Clarence Darrow�s ridicule during the famous Scopes Monkey Trial; however, Bryan championed many Populist causes that were later adopted. Still, in typical deliberate�certain style, he tended to look back rather than forward. Although he was well versed in the Bible, he was ignorant of many other topics � particularly economics, his supposed specialty. In Theodore Roosevelt�s words, Bryan represented �a kind of rural Toryism, which wishes to attempt the impossible task of returning to the economic conditions that obtained sixty years ago.�9 Historian Richard Hofstadter points out that Bryan�s problem as a politician was that, despite his brilliance in focusing the popular sentiment of the times, he always followed behind his public rather than leading it.10

What counsel can astrology give to these �unbalanced� natives? This is not a terrible affliction, nor is it uncommon � half of all horoscopes are �unbalanced.� These natives are likely quite content with exactly how they are. They may seek respect more than effectiveness or economy of action. This counsel is directed more toward the �balanced� half of the population who might wonder how to understand and deal with the unbalanced types. The alert�eager natives need to have their quirks indulged; learn to tolerate their little obsessions and prerogatives � that is, be as alert as they are and thus avoid their tripwires. Conversely, the deliberate�certain types require a lack of bother or hurry � a patience greater than their own. This will prove to them that you mean business and thus win them over. In either case, you can get the unbalanced natives� attention and cooperation by outdoing them at their own games: giving them the respect they need, so that they feel comfortable and can open up and relax into a situation or relationship. Dealing with the unbalanced types is a good spiritual lesson in flexibility and agility � exactly the qualities needed to catch life�s waves and ride them rather than get thrashed by them.
http://www.mountainastrologer.com/standards/editor's%20choice/articles/mental_chem/mental_chem.html

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end: 6 leo 27' 26"
beg:22 cancer 46' 52"

moon: 13 50' 34" > 13 10'

Balanced: Mercury behind the Sun and Fast Moon The native has a sharp mind, is observant, and is logical. Observes situations quickly, and then processes this information.

If either Mercury, or the Moon is in a Fire Sign: It will be connected with the drive for freedom and self-expression.

Mercury in Fire: You have to think for yourself, and act courageously on your ideas.

The Moon in Fire: Your emotions are direct, spontaneous, and compelling. You will pick excitement over emotional safety. http://www.springsgreetingcards.com/catalogs/store.asp?pid=52416&catid=22647

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my moon-merc in conjunct indicate to me that inability to communicate with my mother--it always was derailed in some unconscious way. my son has merc-moon opposite and the moon is in aquarius square saturn. this describes me and our relationship quite well. we have had challenges and trust issues but are very connected and work to establish meaningful communication.
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Looks like we've usurped all we can from this thread, but one question remains.

The Moon is descriptive of one's mother, so how did you all experience your maternal experience? Would you term it "mercurial"? Did your mother encourage your intellectual development or challenge you mentally? Was she highly intelligent or talkative herself?


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Were we separated at birth?!

Ha! I ALMOST said that. I cannot stand the excuse of, 'Oh, I'm a digital native. It's just my generation. This is how I speak.' Yeah, not to me, you don't. I text religiously. I adore gadgetry. But even my occasional tweet is grammatically correct with proper spelling.

OH. SPELLING.

Do you not love the response, 'Who cares about that?' and / or, 'I'm too lazy to use my spellcheck'.

HOW, I ask. HOW can you be too lazy to CLICK A BUTTON and apply PROPER SPELLING MAGIC to your document? You don't even have to think! It does it for you!

And above all - 'Oh, I used my spellcheck. I don't HAVE to proofread it.' -foreheadslap- One of my favourite 'memes' is the one where it shows you a perfectly spellchecked document RIFE with errors.

Anyway. My co-writer once typed a 'u' in a message to me. I didn't respond. He claimed it was a 'typo' and he'd meant to hit the 'I' instead. Either way, he never did it again.

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Okay. I get all of my crazy verbal skill from my mother, hands-down. We were born with it. My father, on the other hand, is the science genius. The way this man understands electronics and physical phenomena just blows my mind. It was like growing up with your own Mr Wizard. He's a huge penchant for detail, too, which meant that I'd hear about EVERY LITTLE THING. And the Tesla-like experiments in the garage which knocked out the neighbourhood power? Priceless.

But can't spell to save his life. Types very, very slowly. Has slowly learnt proper grammar from my mother and myself. But the written form is, generally, just not his thing.

My mother, on the other hand, taught me as early as infancy. I was typing stories on her Smith-Corona typewriter at age 6 - shortly after I'd proved to her that I could correctly spell the word and use it in a sentence. My reward for my spelling and grammatical knowledge was to be able to use the item. (It's made me indomitable at certain word games.)

Wasn't always easy, though ... she's a triple Leo with everything else Virgo, and a touch of Libra. Not ... the easiest to please ....

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...on 2nd thought I don't wish I had this lol


Why the sudden change of heart?

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Originally posted by fairaqua:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Stawr:
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But then some subjects I really should be put in a special ed class for math, political science, all science except for geology. I can eventually get, I just need to be taught at the slowest pace ever...and have it be really dumbed down. In classes like these I'll be thinking 'okay I'm starting to get it' and that's when the teacher decides to say "okay MOVING ON!" 'wtf, I'm not ready! How dare you!' LOL And they expect me to remember all this new stuff, and the old stuff. So sick of this sh!t.
But other people don't have these problems. (like how I don't have problems in other subjects)


Math... Im horrible in.
Biology I sucked in (But I think it was more the teaching)

After my 6 tables in multiplication give me a calculator. I can do my 10s, 11s, and 12s though

I enjoy history way more now than I did in school and I suck with punctuation.


But Im like you, I had to be stuck in "slower" classes for math since back in Elementary school.


I have a special gift for reading. In middle school I was on 2nd year college level. Go figure


I do suffer from self diagnosed ADHD[/B][/QUOTE]

Oh, WOW. Me, too! In fourth grade, I was junior-college level verbal! Well, close, enough. In fifth grade, I was still on fourth-grade level math, but skipped to eighth in everything else. I ended up working my tush off in math the following year, so that by sixth, I was back on track. It was rough.

Definitely math-stupid.

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I've got Moon sextile Mercury 1°37. I love to write. People say I'm a great listener and often come to me for advice. I don't talk much usually, I'm reserved. I get quite animated once I know people though.

School has been easy for me since I was a kid and I've been taking extra classes pretty much all my life. I'm a right-brain type of person who prefers art, music and handicraft but I'm also good at math and other left-brain things. I'm fascinated by languages and even though English isn't my native tongue I got straight A's when studying abroad one semester. I took extra classes there as well and wasn't even aiming for straight A's.

Of course I'm attracted to intelligent people... And it takes one to know one

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Mathletes? Oh, envy. Even though I'm technically a genius, I really feel an idiot savant. My verbal and so forth is through the roof? My maths?

... HAHAHAHA.


LOL. For me it was the opposite. Math through the roof, verbal Ok. My Math score got me into all of the colleges I applied to, no joke. My Literature teachers we're never really a big fan of me. I cared more about numbers then words. Ah well.

Alaz7200:

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The Moon is descriptive of one's mother, so how did you all experience your maternal experience? Would you term it "mercurial"? Did your mother encourage your intellectual development or challenge you mentally? Was she highly intelligent or talkative herself?

Thank you for your insight as well. I learned a lot reading about your experiences and others thanks to this very informative thread. To answer your question, it's actually interesting because I experienced my mother for who she actually is. She is an Aries Sun and I have my Moon in Aries. She is outgoing, talkative, and an independent thinker. She encouraged intellectual prowess, open-mindedness and critical thinking. The mantra in our family was use your mind. Learning how to think for ourselves, think critically and be individuals. If the world was harsh to us at least we could fall back on our intelligence.

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Im not intelligent, my moon square mercury conj uran conj pluto
moon square saturn (t-square)
moon sextile sun conj AC
Moon sextil MC

but I pass through all my educations. My job always works out well

Im restless and need a lot of challanges all the time. This is important to me. Im also stubborn as a mule.

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