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Topic: Cruelty---- Planetary Aspects
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Ami Anne
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posted March 30, 2012 03:17 PM
  
I am not talking about Asteroids now. Is Saturn in hard aspect to Pluto an aspect for cruelty? Thanks!------------------
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Rosalind
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posted March 30, 2012 03:19 PM
Mars in bad aspect with Saturn AND Pluto gives cruelty, violence etc.IP: Logged |
Moonfish
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posted March 30, 2012 03:21 PM
^ I agree, i have mars conjunct pluto quintile Saturn. I wouldn't compare them to a square/oppositions, but I can be cruel... to cruel people  IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted March 30, 2012 03:24 PM
Not so sure about Saturn Pluto (it's generational), but Saturn Mars, definitely.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted March 30, 2012 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Not so sure about Saturn Pluto (it's generational), but Saturn Mars, definitely.
OK Doux--so you think Saturn/ Mars without Pluto?
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Doux Rêve
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posted March 30, 2012 03:30 PM
Pluto doesn't have to be in the mix to bring out cruel tendencies in Saturn Mars hard aspects, in my opinion, but if it *is*, then it probably makes things even worse.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted March 30, 2012 03:35 PM
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Pluto doesn't have to be in the mix to bring out cruel tendencies in Saturn Mars hard aspects, in my opinion, but if it *is*, then it probably makes things even worse.
Thanks so much, Doux.
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Ami Anne
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posted March 30, 2012 03:45 PM
Would Saturn Pluto be someone whose primal passions are cooled? Like maybe a prude. This is a no offense zone  ------------------
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amowls**
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posted March 30, 2012 04:12 PM
My parents have Saturn square Pluto... not sure if people their age are prudes or not. I wouldn't call my mom a prude per se... she makes really raunchy jokes lol.The cruelest person I know (in that when she gets in a fight with you, she says things that are WAYYYY uncalled for... like she isn't even your friend in that moment, she just says things that will hurt the most) doesn't have Mars/Saturn/Pluto. She has Moon conjunct Nessus, though. IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted March 30, 2012 04:26 PM
I think Mars Saturn is a different kind of cruelty; it's that cold, calculated, heartless treatment, not really loud or emotional. More like extremely cold and indifferent, whereas whith the Moon, it's much more emotional and expressive, because it acts spontaneously.IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted March 30, 2012 04:29 PM
Oh and about Saturn square Pluto, no, I don't think it makes someone a prude.If anything, these people may be more controlled when it comes to their passions but I don't think it would directly affect their sexuality, unless other factors support that. IP: Logged |
tautomer4314
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posted March 30, 2012 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
OK Doux--so you think Saturn/ Mars without Pluto?
Well, I have saturn in exact opposition to mars. I also have mars trine pluto, and pluto sextile saturn. I am not a cruel person in any way shape or form, and surprisingly, I am not vengeful at all. In many respects I am too nice and too forgiving. For me at least, I feel that my saturn-mars opposition is actually a major piece of why I am not mean to others. I just don't have it in me; no energy to actually be cruel. Although, I do have the capacity to be "cruel", but it's difficult for me to explain. In the end if something appeals to my sympathies I can't go through with it. I'm too aware of the wills of others. ------------------
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Doux Rêve
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posted March 30, 2012 05:40 PM
tautomer, your Mars is also opposed by Neptune, and to a wider orb by Uranus. The trine to the Moon (even though a bit wide) and to Pluto *definitely* modifies its expression, and I think that is why you are not "cruel" per se. But that Neptune is probably the most important factor, because Neptune "dissolves" everything it touches, and with Mars, that would be aggressiveness and violence, amongst other things (and you are homosexual, so I guess that's another manifestation of this aspect, with Uranus probably playing a role, too).IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted March 30, 2012 06:56 PM
^ Thanks, Doux...I also have Mars opposed Neptune, and the readings I've found for this tend to be very negative. (Cafeastrology's interpretation, for example.) Nice to see something positive.  IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted March 30, 2012 06:58 PM
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
I think Mars Saturn is a different kind of cruelty; it's that cold, calculated, heartless treatment, not really loud or emotional. More like extremely cold and indifferent, whereas whith the Moon, it's much more emotional and expressive, because it acts spontaneously.
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Lonake
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posted March 30, 2012 07:17 PM
Please stop pushing the notion that trines are all sweet and nice while squares/opps are the most heinous possible. When you see horrible acts, it's the solar arcs/progressions that move around, so it hardly matters in the natal what aspect they make. What matters is that the energies are connected.Neptune/Mars can also glorify violence and get off on it. Be induced into violence in a drugged state. Or be assaulted in a drugged state. As just some possible manifestations. Saturn opp Mars can often lead to impotence or frustration re:the sexual act and that can set off violence. For cruelty,
Mars is the original bad boy. Mars/Mercury guns. Mars/Uranus psychotic episodes. Mars/Neptune already mentioned + its deluded. Mars/Saturn is sadistic. Mars/Pluto dregs up rage from the depths. etc. Scorpio & Aries in general
Mars/Saturn/Uranus/Neptune/Pluto in Aries/Scorpio Sun/Saturn
Sun/Pluto
Moon/Saturn
Moon/Pluto
Venus/Saturn
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mintgirl123
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posted March 30, 2012 07:22 PM
Uranus square mars.
Moon conjunct pluto tight(*can* be cruel. Mind games galore)IP: Logged |
tautomer4314
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posted March 30, 2012 07:57 PM
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
tautomer, your Mars is also opposed by Neptune, and to a wider orb by Uranus. The trine to the Moon (even though a bit wide) and to Pluto *definitely* modifies its expression, and I think that is why you are not "cruel" per se. But that Neptune is probably the most important factor, because Neptune "dissolves" everything it touches, and with Mars, that would be aggressiveness and violence, amongst other things (and you are homosexual, so I guess that's another manifestation of this aspect, with Uranus probably playing a role, too).
You are quite correct. I feel that mars opposing neptune aspect A LOT with many things that I do. Still trying to work on turning it into a good thing but it's difficult at times. Largely because I want to invert the problems it causes and that's just nor reasonable. Neptune opposing mars is the reason for my nonexsistent temper as well. I honestly have never felt that "blind rage" feeling that many claim to feel. While I can get angry I can always contain it and I never allow it to lash out at anyone in impulse. The opposition basically mutes and dissolves acting out on impulse reactions. Which as you can imagine, is a double edged sword.
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Ami Anne
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posted March 30, 2012 07:59 PM
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Originally posted by tautomer4314:
You are quite correct. I feel that mars opposing neptune aspect A LOT with many things that I do. Still trying to work on turning it into a good thing but it's difficult at times. Largely because I want to invert the problems it causes and that's just nor reasonable. Neptune opposing mars is the reason for my nonexsistent temper as well. I honestly have never felt that "blind rage" feeling that many claim to feel. While I can get angry I can always contain it and I never allow it to lash out at anyone in impulse. The opposition basically mutes and dissolves acting out on impulse reactions. Which as you can imagine, is a double edged sword.
Interesting! Hmm I can feel how Neptune blurs Mars hard edges. Is that how you feel it?
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scrappydog
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posted March 30, 2012 10:00 PM
The most cruel, EVIL human being I ever met had mars in scorp opposition saturn in taurus 0*. I have heard that an opposition from scorp taurus is the Hardest to ever overcome because it is sooo fixed and stubborn. It made a T square with his moon in aqua, cappy sun, aries rising. He also had merc in cappy sqaure pluto 1* This is an underestimated aspect for cruelty in my opinion. Merc square pluto in a lower map is the most verbally/emotionally abusive person u have ever seen. There r emotional vampires. This person was a True psychopath, just being in his presense I could feel the horrible energy radiating from his very being. He spent most of his life in prison, most of his violence was directed at woman with the moon involved. I have never known a more evil person in my life, cold and cruel, he took pleasure in torturing other people and blamed everyone else, his delusion was unbelievable. If u have ever read much about psychopaths they usually consider themselves "victims" of a crual, unjust world. They do Nothing wrong themselves no matter how horrible, they always have an excuse. sickening!IP: Logged |
Betty Boop
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posted March 30, 2012 10:01 PM
The cruelest person I know has Mars in Taurus opposite Pluto in Scorpio. quote:
It made a T square with his moon in aqua,
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scrappydog
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posted March 30, 2012 10:10 PM
Mars pluto can also cause a lot of violence, but its more unconcious, I find mars saturn to be much more evil...it is completely deliberate and cold. They often have an inferiority complex themselves which breeds frustration and hatred.
And I agree that neptune passifies and dissolves, I knew a man with sun and moon conj mars in sorpio 0* BUT neptune was conj 0* too. Biggest pussy I ever met...sorry, but true. He would actually let me(a chick) stand up and fight and defend ourselves while he did nothing, btw im a sun conj pluto 0*. It seemed neptune just dissolved all that sun/ moon conj mars in scorp energy.IP: Logged |
SmilingHeart
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posted March 30, 2012 11:52 PM
What kind of cruelty are you talking about, Ami?
More physical, sadistic or on an emotional, verbal level?IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted March 31, 2012 01:47 AM
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Originally posted by amowls**:
My parents have Saturn square Pluto... not sure if people their age are prudes or not. I wouldn't call my mom a prude per se... she makes really raunchy jokes lol.The cruelest person I know (in that when she gets in a fight with you, she says things that are WAYYYY uncalled for... like she isn't even your friend in that moment, she just says things that will hurt the most) doesn't have Mars/Saturn/Pluto. She has Moon conjunct Nessus, though.
Very interesting about this. I know Popcorn has it and is not cruel but I suppose it is a very intense energy. ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted March 31, 2012 02:03 AM
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Originally posted by SmilingHeart:
What kind of cruelty are you talking about, Ami?
More physical, sadistic or on an emotional, verbal level?
Any, I suppose lol
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