posted April 01, 2012 04:37 PM            

Comments? To the people who want to hassle me that this is not scientific and is way out. I KNOW. It is a discussion

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posted April 01, 2012 05:14 PM            

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Originally posted by sand:
look at mercury too. too rational a thinking process could produce one.

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Well, Mercury could be looked at for sure but my theory is that one could not be a sociopath without a stressed Jupiter---mercury notwithstanding Sand dear lol

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posted April 01, 2012 05:53 PM            

I know a female sociopth which is more rare than the male.
She has sun/merc/venus in aries all square mars. Moon opp jupiter 0*. She always sees herself as a victim of a cruel world no matter how horrible the things she does to other people. She is a pathological liar and theif. She causes pain and destruction no matter where she goes. She just doesnt get it. Sociopaths are like this. They can do the most Aweful things and always have that 'excuse' for why they r not guilty.

posted April 01, 2012 06:00 PM            

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Originally posted by scrappydog:
So are you saying that a stressed out jupiter will cause a sociopath? This is interesting to me since I have sun conj pluto almost exact, my whole life has been surrounded by criminals. Im always looking for indicators of sociopaths since I have known so many. There isnt one factor, But very strong mutable influence, especially gem and sag can cause it. A very afflicted mars or pluto. And maybe jupiter?? Since it affects their "morals".

I know a female sociopth which is more rare than the male.
She has sun/merc/venus in aries all square mars. Moon opp jupiter 0*. She always sees herself as a victim of a cruel world no matter how horrible the things she does to other people. She is a pathological liar and theif. She causes pain and destruction no matter where she goes. She just doesnt get it. Sociopaths are like this. They can do the most Aweful things and always have that 'excuse' for why they r not guilty.

Other sociopath has sun and asc in gem with moon/saturn/merc conj in 1st house in cancer. He is a womanizer and cannot be faithfull to any woman. He has like 5 kids by 5 women and takes care or pays no support on any of them. He has all these excuses, he is the victim, ect. ect. pathological liar and theif. He has neptune in sag oppose gem asc 0*. Jupiter is angular and square neptune and desc closely.

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YEP Scrappy. My theory is that abuse can produce a socio or NOT. My contention is that it will NOT, with a favorable Jupiter.

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posted April 01, 2012 06:05 PM            

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Originally posted by scrappydog:
So are you saying that a stressed out jupiter will cause a sociopath? This is interesting to me since I have sun conj pluto almost exact, my whole life has been surrounded by criminals. Im always looking for indicators of sociopaths since I have known so many. There isnt one factor, But very strong mutable influence, especially gem and sag can cause it. A very afflicted mars or pluto. And maybe jupiter?? Since it affects their "morals".

I know a female sociopth which is more rare than the male.
She has sun/merc/venus in aries all square mars. Moon opp jupiter 0*. She always sees herself as a victim of a cruel world no matter how horrible the things she does to other people. She is a pathological liar and theif. She causes pain and destruction no matter where she goes. She just doesnt get it. Sociopaths are like this. They can do the most Aweful things and always have that 'excuse' for why they r not guilty.

Other sociopath has sun and asc in gem with moon/saturn/merc conj in 1st house in cancer. He is a womanizer and cannot be faithfull to any woman. He has like 5 kids by 5 women and takes care or pays no support on any of them. He has all these excuses, he is the victim, ect. ect. pathological liar and theif. He has neptune in sag oppose gem asc 0*. Jupiter is angular and square neptune and desc closely.

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Hmmm the 2nd guys Jupiter is not that bad. You are not gonna make me throw away my theory. ARE YOU

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posted April 01, 2012 06:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Well, Mercury could be looked at for sure but my theory is that one could not be a sociopath without a stressed Jupiter---mercury notwithstanding Sand dear lol

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t square merc moon jupiter then?

posted April 01, 2012 06:37 PM            

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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
also, why Jupiter, of all planets?

(not saying you're wrong; just that I don't see the connection between Jupiter and sociopathy)

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Well, I found myself to be friends with several sociopaths and did their charts. I wanted to find a common thread. It seemed to be Jupiter. Jupiter seemed to have many red lines running to it. I started to think about what Jupiter meant in a chart. It is ethics. I think it is conscience. A strong Jupiter is a highly ethical person from a seeming gut kind of place, not a fake ethical kind of thing that you see in politicians, for example.

I just watched in the 5 or so cases I had. Then, I started asking questions. So, that is how I came to question Jupiter's role.

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posted April 01, 2012 06:38 PM            

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Originally posted by sand:
t square merc moon jupiter then?

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That MAY be our guy

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posted April 01, 2012 07:02 PM            

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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
Again, just curious: how can you be friends with a sociopath? My understanding of them was that they could not hold friendships because of how they are, and cannot be successfully treated. By "friend", do you mean more like "acquaintance"/that you corresponded? (I don't mean to pry; am not offended if you don't wish to answer).

Also, I note that you say that a strong Jupiter is a highly ethical person. I have a pretty strong Jupiter, but I have both positive and negative aspects, about an equal number of each. Do they cancel each other out? Is it a sort of 'war' between good and bad? Does good always come out ahead? Can someone have a strong but negative (e.g., lots of squares) Jupiter, but choose to override it, or could other chart positions override it?

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That is cool and a legitimate question. People are people is the answer, I suppose. My life has a singular purpose. That is to bring people to Jesus. I am just a small cog in God's wheel. However, I am a willing one . Yes, I have several friends who are sociopaths. How? I don't know

I guess the larger answer may be that I see people as needing Jesus OR having Jesus more than a label. Moreover,once he accept Jesus, anyone that is, he is a new person. Old things have passed away and that would include the label of sociopath and behavior and attitudes which one would call related to being sociopath as the New Birth makes one new.

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posted April 01, 2012 07:09 PM            

Astrodatabank:

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French homicidal homosexual sociopath. Favored by his mom and ill-treated by his dad, he formed an overweening ambition to gain wealth as a form of power and control. While he was in Alsace selling weaving machinery. he met Jean Kinck, a successful brush manufacturer. Troppmann proposed a money-making scheme and ingratiated himself to Kinck.

As a plot to get money from Kinck's widow, Troppmann poisoned Kinck with prussic acid and buried him, along with one of his sons who was unfortunately in the way. He went to the widow, asking for money "that Kinck owed him." When the widow became suspicious, he killed her and her five kids on 9/19/1869.

When the bodies were found by a laborer, buried in a field, Troppmann was traced. He was tried, found guilty and executed by guillotine on 1/19/1870.

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posted April 01, 2012 07:12 PM            

AstrologyClub:

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Our “poster girl” for the outer planets is that infamous blabbermouth, Linda Tripp. She has all three outer planets as singletons. Richard Idemon once confided to our class that such a chart with all outer planets singletons was likely to be that of a sociopath, if not a psychopath. He cautioned us to be very careful and circumspect in dealing with them, and suggested referring them to a professional psychotherapist.

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posted April 01, 2012 07:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
Linda Tripp
Uranus - the only water placement
Neptune - the only air placement
Pluto - the only fixed placement

Never heard that before, but Idemon was a good astrologer.
As to whether she's a sociopath, I do not know.

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OK Gottcha on singeltons. I never got into them as it seems like too big a deal could be made of them. What do you think Lonake?

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posted April 01, 2012 11:55 PM            

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Yes, Lonake see all the red lines coming from Jupiter?

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It's at an orb of 9, which is far enough to discount IMO (my cut off is 8, and in reality it is actually 7).

I don't think it's a requirement for all sociopaths to have a hindered jupiter, but it could definitely be a theme.

My jupiter is at an exact yod between pluto and saturn. That's a pretty harsh placement, since those two are considered to be the big "nasty heavyweights". I also have jupiter quincunx neptune. 3 inconjuncts to one planet is quite the harsh placement, and they're all to outers. To top it off, my jupiter is in the 8th house. However, I am by no means a sociopath, as I am a highly empathetic person, almost to a fault. However, I can actually sympathize and empathize with sociopaths and actually "understand" what it's like. In my minds eye I can feel the way they would feel when comiting horrible acts and have an understanding of how and why they do it. If it weren't for my moral codes, I wonder if I could go that path, as I "get it". It's interesting to say the least. My jupiter is "saved" in effect by being trine my ascendent, and conjunct venus.

Remember: There is always an exception to the rule.

posted April 02, 2012 02:14 AM            

Does this count? With a partner:

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In Padua they stabbed a casino worker to death. This was followed shortly by the beating and stabbing of a homosexual waiter in Venice who died from his thirty-four knife wounds.
In Vicenza they axed a 51 years old prostitute and crushed the skulls of two priests with a hammer.
They burned a sleeping hitch-hiker to death in Verona.
In Trento a homosexual priest was killed with a nail hammered in his forehead, followed by a chisel with a wooden cross on it.
On March 3, 1984, in Castiglione delle Stiviere Abel and Furlan, dressed in Pierrot costumes, were caught dousing the carpet and furniture in a crowded discotheque with gasoline.

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posted April 02, 2012 02:36 AM            

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OK Gottcha on singeltons. I never got into them as it seems like too big a deal could be made of them. What do you think Lonake?

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posted April 02, 2012 04:29 AM            

The Asteroids explain his hidden motivations with atomic precision.

Jean Troppman's Asteroid Aspects:
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1. LUCIFER opposite NEMESIS exact.
2. Sun trine IXION exact
3. NESSUS trine LILITH exact
4. HEKATE conjunct North Node exact
5. Again, Dr LUCIFER conj Natal IXION. slightly wider orb, 2 degrees.

When justice was delivered, the transits:
1. Sun conjunct LUCIFER exact on his KARMA
2. KAALI conjunct his South Node and Neptune
3. HEKATE conjunct his NEMESIS.

A Demonic Soul freed before he could do more damage, or a man possessed at the time of crime? "Supernatural" anybody?

Draconic Lucifer, Hekate and Kaali are active in most Monarchs and Manchurian Candidates.

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posted April 02, 2012 04:54 AM            

He`s got a Mars-Jupiter-conjunction, with Mars being conjunct DESC (his aggressivity was clearly directed to partners; since Mars was in Gemini and Jupiter on 00 Cancer it had a mental - emotional expression; in his case clearly abusive, though Jupiter in 7th house can be a wonderful thing, too).

JUPITER in 00 Cancer in 7th opposite
MOON in 5 Capricorn in 1st, which was the only aspect Jupiter had, and Mars was too far off for opposing Moon, though it was of the antiscion

Moon on the other hand was widely square Pluto (7 degrees).

Mercury the ruler of his DESC was square retro Neptune in 12th house by 7 degree (he really could delude everyone, including himself)

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°DEJANIRA exactly conjunct his ASC on 23 Sag and opposing his Mars

° KARMA conjunt Moon

° KAALI on 00 Aries exact square Jupiter on 00 Cancer

° KAALI quinkunx Sun in 8th house

° HEKATE on Formalhaut opposite Sun close to REgulus (1 Virgo thoug)

° NEMESIS opposite Neptune on 13 Sag exact

° IXION conjunct Uranus and both trine NESSUS on 9 Cancer

(this might have been important as my friend has ASC on 10 Cancer and Venus-Mars-Pluto on 11 Libra, so his NEssus was aligning with that)

° a Yod between Sun on 1 Virgo sextile Jupiter on 00 Cancer and both quinkunx LILITH on 2 Aquarius

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Now this is

° Dr NESSUS conjunct his natal ASC-DEJANIRA exact!

° Dr Mercury conjunct natal HEKATE exact