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lindaGreg
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posted April 05, 2012 01:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindaGreg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alright, I am inspired to investigate the correlation patterns between MBTI scores and Astrological signs. If you know all the pieces of information that I have provided below, can you please share them here?

My MBTI Scores: INTJ
Dominant: Introverted Intuition
Auxilliary: Extraverted Thinking
Tertiary: Introverted Feeling
Inferior: Extraverted Sensing

My Enneagram Type: 1w2 - The Reformer (The Helper)
Sum/Moon/Asc - Virgo/Aries/Aries

What I discovered in my case was, there is a perfect correlation between these results.

For example, "The Reformer" is akin to both Virgo and Aries, and The Helper loosely corresponds to Virgo

In the same way, INTJ is pretty much a personification for Virgo blended in a mixer with Aries. :-)

Below is a video that describes INTJ. I thought he was literally referring to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCVcve2CYwg&feature=relmfu

So, I am interested to know the following 3 things from you

Your MBTI Type, your Enneagram Type and your Sun/Moon/Asc.

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tautomer4314
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posted April 05, 2012 02:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tautomer4314     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am VERY versed in enneagram and MBTI (more properly Jungian Cognitive functions). Been studying the theories for at least 5 years now. I used to run a forum specefically for this stuff too.

I know those theories inside and out, and actually have explored this in the past. It's hard to make a linear pattern between astro placements and types. However, it "makes sense" when you corralate them on an individual level most of the time. There will also be the problem that around 1/2 of the people you poll will not have their type accurate for many reasons. The absolute best fullproof way to type someone is by interview. Online tests aren't reliable, but can be a good starting point for sure.

As for me:
MBTI/JCF: INFJ
Enneagram: 1w2
Sun/Moon/Asc: Taurus/Scorpio/Libra

I have had my types confirmed many times over across nearly every possible way imaginable and I fit both very well. I personally identify better with 1w2, but I still identify with both types strongly.

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posted April 05, 2012 02:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RedScorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sure Pieter-pan will come along and state the lack of correlation between either of the three.

EDIT! Scorpio Sun, Capricorn Moon, Virgo Rising.

Big Extravert, and then Sensing-Feeling-Perceiving.

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posted April 05, 2012 02:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nothingbutaname     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
INTP
5w4
Scorpio/Capricorn/Capricorn (moon, uranus, neptune and true node conjuncting it)

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posted April 05, 2012 02:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RedScorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by tautomer4314:
I am VERY versed in enneagram and MBTI (more properly Jungian Cognitive functions). Been studying the theories for at least 5 years now. I used to run a forum specefically for...

AUGH, YOU BEAT ME TO IT. Why did I open tumblr!? Whyyy?!

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posted April 05, 2012 02:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for JohnFKennedy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
EVERY year since I was 17 I retook that test hoping for a new type but I was always consistently an INTJ :\

Asc: 29 degrees Virgo (Mercury in the 8th)
Sun: Taurus
Moon: Aquarius

And to go with your INTJ theory I have a fire singleton with my Venus in Aries

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posted April 05, 2012 03:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for doommlord     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i have been trying to do the MBTI test for 2 years now but still i have no conclusive anwser

MBTI- either INFJ or INFP (INFJ came more on the tests)

enneagram- either 2w3 or 4w3 (but im kind of new to the subject and have a to look into it deeper and do the test a couple more times)

libra sun
leo moon
capricorn ASC with neptune and uranus conjuncting it

i can see how type 4 fits in with the placements cause i belive that moon in leo and uranus conjunct ASC could lead to a person to belive that he is uniqe and also appear like it and the cap ASC giving an air of competence and superiority to strengthen the effect

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posted April 05, 2012 03:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by JohnFKennedy:
EVERY year since I was 17 I retook that test hoping for a new type but I was always consistently an INTJ :\

Asc: 29 degrees Virgo (Mercury in the 8th)
Sun: Taurus
Moon: Aquarius

And to go with your INTJ theory I have a fire singleton with my Venus in Aries


LOL!

i think it is very taurean.

asc scorpio
sun taurus
moon leo

intj
3w4

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posted April 05, 2012 03:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tautomer4314     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by doommlord:
i have been trying to do the MBTI test for 2 years now but still i have no conclusive anwser

MBTI- either INFJ or INFP (INFJ came more on the tests)

enneagram- either 2w3 or 4w3 (but im kind of new to the subject and have a to look into it deeper and do the test a couple more times)

libra sun
leo moon
capricorn ASC with neptune and uranus conjuncting it

i can see how type 4 fits in with the placements cause i belive that moon in leo and uranus conjunct ASC could lead to a person to belive that he is uniqe and also appear like it and the cap ASC giving an air of competence and superiority to strengthen the effect


This is classic.

It's extremely common to see this split between INFJ and INFP on test results. You can only be one however. From what I have experienced, around 75% of those who test this way are infact INFP's. Much more so if you identify as an E4, as those two have a lot of commonality.

Answer this, and this may help sort out which is more likely your type:

Ultimately, do you make decisions based on the values of others and the group? Or, do you stick to an internal moral code that dictates how you should decide? Elaborate on this in detail. You may feel both are true, but one will be more predominate in yourself. Also, when I say "decisions" I mean that in a broad sense. From the trival/mundane ones that appear when conversing with someone, to the major ones throughout life.


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posted April 05, 2012 03:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pisces/Capricorn/Leo = INTJ
Sun in 8th, Moon in 6th

EDIT * strongest element is Air
Merc/Mars/Saturn/Pluto angular in Air + Pluto in Air is my strongest placement.

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posted April 05, 2012 03:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindaGreg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey, thanks all for the input. With respect to INTJ, so far, the first loose pattern that I see is, most of us have at least 1 earth sign. Virgo or Taurus or Capricorn. But let us wait and see.

Or is there a correlation between NTs and earth signs in general. That is another rough pattern.

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posted April 05, 2012 04:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^my mom is one as well. she is mostly water. cancer rising, pisces sun and moon, mars cancer, merc aqua, venus aries..

i see INTJ in alot of aquas, pisces but maybe dats merc in aqua, and taurus. ok maybe not a lot lol!

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posted April 05, 2012 04:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for doommlord     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by tautomer4314:
This is classic.

It's extremely common to see this split between INFJ and INFP on test results. You can only be one however. From what I have experienced, around 75% of those who test this way are infact INFP's. Much more so if you identify as an E4, as those two have a lot of commonality.

Answer this, and this may help sort out which is more likely your type:

Ultimately, do you make decisions based on the values of others and the group? Or, do you stick to an internal moral code that dictates how you should decide? Elaborate on this in detail. You may feel both are true, but one will be more predominate in yourself. Also, when I say "decisions" I mean that in a broad sense. From the trival/mundane ones that appear when conversing with someone, to the major ones throughout life.


thinking about the question i found that i do take the values of other people ONLY when my decision is connected to those people (out of respect and care to their opinion) but decisions that relate mostly to me are made by my own moral code although i listen to others opinions (i just dont usually follow them)

so im stuck again XD

reading the descriptions of the types also lead me to nowhere but i belive i might be an INFP becuse in the description it was written that an INFP always finds something to like in a person and that completly me but the description still has some contradictions...

im sure ill get there anyway

thank you tautomer for the information and for the help with my issue

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RegardesPlatero
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posted April 05, 2012 04:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted April 05, 2012 05:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i've gotten ISTJ alot lately. in a simple how rare is your personality test and in a longer 1 among the archives here. from one of the most rare to the most common lol! but it doesn't sound bad at all. must be my prog merc in taurus.

Your Personality is the Most Common (ISTJ)

Your personality type is disciplined, realistic, predictable, and honest.

About 14% of all people have your personality, including 9% of all women and 17% of all men
You are Introverted, Sensing, Thinking, and Judging.

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posted April 05, 2012 05:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for doommlord     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ive read an article that compares mbti types to the elements

it says that:
SJ=earth element
SP=fire
NT=air
NF=water

maybe we should post our dominant element as well to see if this matches up

i have NF and according to the declination chart water is my strongest element (also 4 planets in water)

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posted April 05, 2012 05:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am not totally "definable".

My MBTI type is either INFJ or INFP

and my Enneagram type is either 6w5 or 5w4

(but it is really only a decision between these two / four, the scores for the others are really low).


Sun and ASC in Sagittarius
Moon in Aquarius

additional info:
Sun conjunct Mercury
ASC conjunct Neptune (and mars in 12th house)

dominant element (fire)
but the dispositors of my personal planets and ASC are all in water element:
Disp of Sun, Mercury, Mars, ASC is Jupiter in Pisces
Disp of Moon is Uranus in Scorpio
Disp of Venus is Saturn in Cancer


Tautomer,

the question to decide if someone is an INFJ or INFP is an interesting one and very difficult to answer for me.

I guess for me it depends on how important the issue I have to decide is for me and how much the group`s values contradict my own. Up to a point I can adapt myself easily; but if it threatens core values for me, that is where I draw the line and ultimatively would decide according to my personal values.

But quite honestly it hasn`t come that far very often, so it somewhat of a theoretical answer.

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posted April 05, 2012 05:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for doommlord     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

I guess for me it depends on how important the issue I have to decide is for me and how much the group`s values contradict my own. Up to a point I can adapt myself easily; but if it threatens core values for me, that is where I draw the line and ultimatively would decide according to my personal values.

But quite honestly it hasn`t come that far very often, so it somewhat of a theoretical answer.


exactly what i had in mind
couldnt had written it better

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posted April 05, 2012 05:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted April 05, 2012 06:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for doommlord     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:

(also, @ doomlord, side note: am still thinking about emailing my chart to you, so I haven't forgotten! will get back to you on the Jupiter thread that I started or else on Personal Readings)

im glad you still remember
il be honored to read your chart,if you wish of course

maybe with your little experience with me and youre knowledge of being an INFJ you could see if im an INFJ or an INFP ? (really got into this today and im seeking for an anwser and would like to hear opinions)

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posted April 05, 2012 06:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted April 05, 2012 09:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquacheeka     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think - don't quote me on this - but if I recall correctly, I got either ENFJ or ENFP. In any case, the bulk of my chart is extroverted signs so that was unsurprising. The emphasis on relationships also corresponds well with my many 7th house placements.

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I have mostly extroverted signs as well, Sagittarius and Aquarius, but I am definitely introverted. Was thinking it might have to do that all my personal planets are below the horizon?

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posted April 05, 2012 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tautomer4314     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Doomlord - per your response that sounds more like INFP then anything, because you worded yours in a way that ultimately your own internal value system is what calls the shot and trumps it all. That is how INFP's think. They are ruled by the cognitive function Fi (introverted feeling), and that is a hallmark of that function.

Ceridwen - You actually sound more like INFJ based off that. Additionally being an E6 or E5 makes INFJ more likely. They word is "up to a point I can adapt myself". INFJ's have the auxillary function Fe, extroverted feeling, and they make decisions based off what is best to benefit the group, and is generally quite compromizing. Despite you saying if it threatens your core values you buck, that doesn't apply hear. Reason being is most any type will do that. It's how it's dealt with that is important.

Also, the whole Kiersey temperment spread (SJ, SP, NT, NF) is not a good way to look at things because it does not follow a consistent pattern in regards to the cognitive functions.

As far as the difference between P and J that RegardesPluto desribed, that is mostly accurate, but a difficult way to judge someone. P and J is simply a denoter axis with the functions and not actually a "trait" persay. This is a better way to sort this between INFJ's and INFP's. The external world for an INFJ is far more linear and easily reasoned, explained and understood by others then their inner world. For INFP's it's the complete opposite. Their external world seems very dissorganized and lazifaire. Where as, their inner world is very ordered and easily reasoned, understood, and explained.

Hopefully that helps some! I've missed talking about this topic.

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