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Doux Rêve
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posted April 05, 2012 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
It would also be interesting to have others make the test for us to see how they perceive us.

Very good point.


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Of course we learned later on that he was some kind of sociopath or psychopath, or at least had such tendencies, leading to very manipulative and abusive (emotional/ verbal) behaviour.


Ouch.


I still think that we know ourselves better than anyone else though, because people only see us from the outside, they're not in our heads. It can - and usually is - difficult to be very clear about ourselves though, for sure.

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posted April 05, 2012 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Oliviaaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Oh, right. Next time, pick someone with a high score

@ Olivia - I am not surprised you're an INFP! Too cute. I almost said, "You remind me of myself when I was younger" but I guess that would be inappropriate

I can relate to some extent to the INFP descriptions, but the thing is that I am very changeable; one day I can be brutally logical and rational and the next day I can be all affectionate and idealistic. It really depends. I don't think I'm a type 6 though! 5 or 9 are the most accurate to me at this point.


Haha.. maybe not TOO inappropriate.
But yeah, that's the one thing that's a bit off for me too.. I am rational, at times TOO much so. Can be very analytical. But I've been working on becoming the opposite of that, so I guess I'm succeeding. Hey, that's what's going on.. we're just working on becoming different things!

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posted April 05, 2012 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tautomer4314     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I want to highlight this:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

I don´t follow social "demands" put on the individual, especially if it is presented with the "but everyone does"-sentence. *shuddering*

In my professional life I see people as individuals first and foremost and not in their belonging to a group; consequently some of the social dynamics confuse me. I can analyze them with my mind, but I connect to individuals and not a whole group, so I cannot *really* understand that thinking that I shouldn`t befriend or talk to someone from a special group.
For example: I am a non-smoker, and somehow people seem to think that non-smoker have to stay clear of smokers. WEll, if I happen to like a smoker, I am going to talk to him and be friendly and open. But not because he is a smoker, just because of the person he is or I perceive him as such.



This right here absolutely screams Fi, and INFP. Social orders and rules are irrelevant when you feel your moral code is the correct way to function, and you will buck a given accepted norm to do what you feel is right. INFJ's will much rather put on a face and "fit in" generally first, and address their moral qualms later. On the surface this appears to be very INFP. However, it could be INFJ, but I would have to see how you act in a given situation.

I think this is a good point to say that body language is actually the most sure fire way to figure out someones type. The cognitive functions all emerge in very discreet and classical ways with certain types of movements and speaking patterns.

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posted April 05, 2012 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for doommlord     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by tautomer4314:
I want to highlight this:

This right here absolutely screams Fi, and INFP. Social orders and rules are irrelevant when you feel your moral code is the correct way to function, and you will buck a given accepted norm to do what you feel is right. INFJ's will much rather put on a face and "fit in" generally first, and address their moral qualms later. On the surface this appears to be very INFP. However, it could be INFJ, but I would have to see how you act in a given situation.

I think this is a good point to say that body language is actually the most sure fire way to figure out someones type. The cognitive functions all emerge in very discreet and classical ways with certain types of movements and speaking patterns.


then what are the signs in body language that show judging or perceiving nature?

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posted April 05, 2012 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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seems my type is ENFP. always thot this was a cute type. http://similarminds.com/pref_jung.html


It`s my favourite type. I feel such a strong pull towards this type despite knowing for sure it`s not my type. But I feel strongly attracted to ENFP`s.

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posted April 05, 2012 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by tautomer4314:
I want to highlight this:

This right here absolutely screams Fi, and INFP. Social orders and rules are irrelevant when you feel your moral code is the correct way to function, and you will buck a given accepted norm to do what you feel is right. INFJ's will much rather put on a face and "fit in" generally first, and address their moral qualms later. On the surface this appears to be very INFP. However, it could be INFJ, but I would have to see how you act in a given situation.

I think this is a good point to say that body language is actually the most sure fire way to figure out someones type. The cognitive functions all emerge in very discreet and classical ways with certain types of movements and speaking patterns.



And just when I had come to think I really was an INFJ. lol

Maybe INFP is the idealized idea I have of myself, and INFJ is more how I actually act.
I really don´t know.


What would the difference in bodylanguage between both types?


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posted April 05, 2012 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 5Gemini     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
are there specific Carl Jung books where you goes in depth with psychology and astrology?

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posted April 05, 2012 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindaGreg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is something in progress that I am working on. It will clearly clarify most of your doubts like getting confused between two types INFJ or INFP etc. But please continue the discussion.

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posted April 05, 2012 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tautomer4314     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by doommlord:
then what are the signs in body language that show judging or perceiving nature?

It's VERY hard to explain for several reasons. The first is it is subtle and hard to type out without being able to show examples. The second is it took me months to learn how to do it and do it well, so it's not something that can easily be learned overnight.

I will defer you to here if you would like more information on typing and what not. Personality Nation. If you register there, tell them IndigoSensor/tautomer4314 sent you. I had a pretty good rapport when I was a member there. Same goes for you as well Ceridwen.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

And just when I had come to think I really was an INFJ. lol

Maybe INFP is the idealized idea I have of myself, and INFJ is more how I actually act.
I really don´t know.


What would the difference in bodylanguage between both types?


Figuring out my type was at first quite easy, but then became difficult. I waffled between INFJ, ISFJ, and ISTJ for a while, but ultimately settled for what my type is as it is who I am. Idealism is quite hard to get by, but over time you learn to look past it. MBTI is a journey and it takes A LONG time to sort it out.

The biggest difference between the two types is the way they emote facial expressions. INFP's have the quality of expressing what they feel, where as INFJ's have the quality of expressing to convey something to another person. There's much more to it then that though.

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posted April 06, 2012 01:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for psytaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ISTP - Usually when I take any personality tests there are a few things that fit me at least. Not with this one though.

6w5 - this is much better and makes sense. I can recognize some traits there.

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posted April 06, 2012 03:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Desiring Shadows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NEVERMINDDDD---
I'm an ENTJ.
Im just a shy one at that, but my energy does get fueled by other people, thats true.

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“From childhood's hour I have not been
As others were - I have not seen
As others saw - I could not bring
My passions from a common spring -”
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posted April 06, 2012 03:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tautomer4314     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Desiring Shadows:
NEVERMINDDDD---
I'm an ENTJ.
Im just a shy one at that, but my energy does get fueled by other people, thats true.

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You can't be 8w4; that type does not exist. the wing for any given enneagram type must be one number next in the cycle of numbers within enneagram. They act as a modifier.

As such, for an E8, 8w7 or 8w9 is possible. Just because you test high in two numbers doesn't mean it's a one two punch with things. Further, keep in mind that online tests for these things are not always correct.

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posted April 08, 2012 01:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
bumping just to remind myself to look this uo

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