posted April 21, 2012 08:49 PM            

Here you are

posted April 21, 2012 11:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Sorcha:

Faith, See there you go! I guess I'm hoping for something really cool and external and FUN! (not a baby though, unless immaculate conception comes with a monthly dowry).

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I have to say, in all these Jupiter returns, my life was, at the same time, very hard. I just managed to have this weird lucky streak in the middle of other crazy stuff.

posted April 22, 2012 04:18 AM            

Aspects for the 'Jup conj Moon' factor,
---p.Sun/p.Saturn/n.IC 6 Leo: OK I believe the dark part here w.the Sun coming up to Saturn. And it was in your 3rd previous so that lends to a serious/limited mindset. So ditch it, you're moving forward but *gradually.* The pinnacle of a chart is the MC. If you go down from that to the left, just before the IC, you are getting closer and closer to you at the *core.* The absolute core is the IC. That is what goes through your mind when you're alone with yourself in a quiet dark space. So you're right there right now. After that IC degree, everything picks back up, so you're inching closer to a forward momentum. This has bearing on your Jupiter return as it's conj your Moon so this is a Cancer/H4 element here. Your sa.Venus is 7 Leo, so very close as well. Combined, I would say that you're wanting to attract joy back into your being, and a playfulness and love, but Saturn there thinks that there are boundaries in the way, like you're not talented or deserving of it. Serious expression here. You're more regimented than you were at birth, v.strict w.yourself, and with Saturn in the 3rd natally, since the Sun has picked that up and is moving into the 4th, you're carrying that limited mindset into your home/your core where you need to be nourished. But Saturn really just wants structure and for everyone to carry their own weight. I don't know what your home life is like, but bringing in creative elements like your Venus wants, and laughter and generosity, you are sure to attract such back. I think the Saturn is putting a damper on things. Read up on Sun/Saturn conj. Do what you can to partner with Leo types to help you with this. You have p.Sun there so you should be attracting/being attracted to that type. The thing w.Saturn in Leo is that is loses the joy for being alive. You have to immerse yourself in Leo things, be generous to get generosity back. It's right on the IC, and that can feel like a loss, a desolate time. But keep in mind that you could just be being hard on yourself, keep that in mind as a possibility. Weight of the world on your shoulders and all that.
---p.Moon 3 Virgo/t.Mars 5 Virgo/sa.Saturn 6 Virgo: OK so you already have Sun/Saturn, now you're inching toward Moon/Saturn. Progressed Moon moves much faster than the Sun so this is of shorter duration. Virgo is v.realistic and with the Moon there, there is self-criticism going on, so again, another element of negative thinking. This one brings with it sky-high standards. The p.Moon will be in the 5th soon, closer to sa.Saturn. So if you had riff raff in your love life before and you were putting up with it, that is something you will likely be closing a door on. But Mars/Saturn is an aspect of frustration too, so this may be something you struggle with for a bit while you get used to this new influence.
---p.Merc 20 Leo/n.Mars 21 Leo in H4: This is a factor for voicing concerns, making yourself more heard in a family matter. It's not exact yet because Merc is still moving, but there's impatience here. So if there's someone you've wanted to call out in your family/home for whatever reason this would be a good time to do so, while you still have the courage, just in case you were wavering on it. Your n.Merc is opp Neptune which maybe in the past left you feeling not heard, like your opinion didn't matter, or oversensitive to what others said, or someone misinterpreting you or vice versa. This influence is gonna be here for a bit so it should help you if you've struggled in that way.

Jupiter factor,
---n.Jup 20 Tau sq p.Merc 20 Leo: There's something here that's called unrealistic expectations. Misapplication of info in an attempt to quickly get your point across. So if there is someone you confronted or will confront, don't overstate the issue. Just use the Virgo influence to stay on your game and get yourself heard. Nothing too OTT. Also I just saw that your H12 ruler of self undoing is Mars Leo in H4, and it's sq Jup. You generally don't want to push your Mars placement too hard if you don't want to be your own worst enemy. Jup is H7 ruler and in the 12th, so H12 ruler sq H7 ruler across 4th/12 brings to mind a few associations, just pick and choose what fits: deceit/secrets/seclusion/partner/associate/enemy/home/family/inner resources -- and don't go overboard acting on any situation therein without some proper foresight. Keep communication between you and partners/family on the up-and-up, be blunt if you have to. But avoid jumping into anything having to do with the above because you'll be getting in your way. Take your *time.* And with the Merc/Jup sq avoid jumping to conclusions. This is in line with the Sun/Moon/Saturn dynamic which is taking responsibility for your direction(Sun) and for your needs(Moon) - so the chart seems to be pushing you toward being more self-sufficient at this stage; Saturn rules time as well. But it's throwing a test in your way via this square. I obv don't know your past or your family or your home life, but this is a big thing in your chart, so it would be good to think on it for a bit.
---sa.Jup 24 Gem/n.H2 cusp 25 Gem: This sort of reiterates what looks like a theme of a new brand of self worth for you. It's in Gemini, so I dunno what your connection is to Gemini matters, communication/writing/short journeys/siblings, Gemini has a lot of associations. It's not exact but it's coming in. And it's close enough to be conj. So think on this one too. Interestingly, t.Venus will be going over this point v.soon, this is a lucky conj that attracts, so be looking out for that re:H2/Gemini matters.

Aside from that, there's some complication w.t.Neptune 2 Pisces opp your p.Moon 3 Virgo. This could bring hassle into the home. Moon/Neptune can be sensitive to the environment, feeling a sense of loss and disillusionment with the family, there could be something about blaming them for your problems and getting lost in some abyss because of it. It's challenging you to be more realistic in your expectations. There might be some strange projections going on from you to others or from them to you. The basic thing is that you or someone you are close to emotionally/family wise, is not owning up to their part in a situation. Not owning up to it, creates room for hassle, and a desire to escape and avoid, which really, the Sun/Moon/Saturn will not help you to do. So just don't go there. This is also a test, it seems.

^ So, take it with a grain of salt as I know nothing about you. But I see the hardship with the Sun/Saturn, I know people w.that progressed conj and it is hard and can feel lonely. But it will pass. And like I said the Sun will be coming up out of the darkness as the IC is the lowest and most private point. So whatever info you're gleaning at this time, save it, keep it for reference as it is good insight. It's prob one of the times you'll be closest to knowing the real you (the Sun/IC) just keep in mind that Saturn is there too mucking it up and adding pressure. The Sun will eventually move past Saturn and when that happens you will feel it.

Sooo...'moral of the story' is that there are conj they just might not be easy to see @ 1st.

posted April 22, 2012 01:51 PM            

You are a gem!! Thank you so much for taking the time to help me out with this. I've definitely learned a bunch about how to interpret that type of chart. I think before I was only comparing natals to progressions or natals to solar arcs and it wasn't all that enlightening. I didn't realize that you can look at progressed to SA aspects too or that they could all be interpreted in one giant conjunction. So thank you for that, first of all.

Second, you were bang on with everything. I actually live alone now (as of December), but prior to that was in a relationship that I was positive was going to end in marriage. So that sense of loss is partially external and partially internal. That's also where the whole self sufficiency thing comes into play as well. Losing everything (partner, dog, house, cottage, even my furniture) definitely makes for a cold, hard, Saturnian reality. Most of what you wrote has been going through my head and the things you suggested I should think about are things that I consider pretty much every day so it's good to know that I'm on track with that.

As for communication, I always keep it on the up and up - it's sort of what I'm known for. But I have actually felt recently like not communicating as much since it seems like it hasn't been the most positive experience for me with certain people lately - ie. family and my previous partner.

I come from a family that really only likes to communicate about light-hearted issues (and I'm a therapist!) so I'm basically the black sheep. I'll definitely have to think on what you said about that since it's a very real issue at the moment, and I am struggling with the best way to deal with it.

What you said about t. Neptune opposing p. Moon is very interesting. My brother just moved back from abroad after three years away and his presence has changed the family dynamic quite a lot in only one week. He has had some strange projections in regards to me for many years that he will not speak about (mainly because I believe I am the trigger for his feelings and not the cause). In any event, I feel like escaping and avoiding the whole situation since my efforts at bringing it up in the past has lead to my brother not speaking to me for extended periods of time. Plus, he found a way to get very angry at me and attempt to shame after only being here for four days. So that was a really interesting (and accurate) observation. And I assume I am supposed to soldier on with this and confront it anyway as long as I am not OTT? Gah.

Again Lonake, thanks so much. You are truly gifted at reading progressions and solar arcs and I love learning new things about astrology

Oh! And PS, I wasn't apologizing before but sometimes it comes across that way - I'm Canadian

posted April 22, 2012 03:38 PM            

And LOL at people trying to shame.
"as long as I am not OTT? Gah."
---Well if this is nothing new with him, then like I said it sounds to me like a test. But the Jup is being squared from Merc in Leo and it's exact soooooo. I know people go do what they want anyway cos impulses hit, it is SO HARD to control energy. I'm not saying not to, I'm just giving you the bigger pic on the issue

posted April 22, 2012 04:30 PM            

As for the Jup/Merc square, I will definitely be aware of it and take a few breaths before speaking. I am going to have to find that fine line between not losing it if I'm being disrespected and being firm in standing up for myself. And knowing when to push forward and when to pull back. More Gah. Yes, it has been going on for years and that's the real reason my patience has worn thin. Yep, that sounds like a test, alright.