posted April 20, 2012 10:52 AM            

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So I've heard. But in my view, ascendant is image. It's not a planetary body so it can't represent a physical body. The sun represents physical body (just my interpretation based on the fact that I can recognize certain signs by their physical appearance, but they'll dress or do their hair according to their ascendants, and also the fact that Leo is very physical).

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Astrology is most certainly not a science as it has never really been tested. Astrology is an art as it is about reading and interpreting. There is no verifiable proof that astrology even works, and yes, there are differing opinions (quite obviously) amongst astrologers. For instance, the great HOUSE SYSTEM debate, as well as which zodiac to even use. Hell, Uranian astrologers don't even really use signs at all and rely heavily on mid points.

posted April 20, 2012 10:55 AM            

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Astrology is most certainly not a science as it has never really been tested. Astrology is an art as it is about reading and interpreting. There is no verifiable proof that astrology even works, and yes, there are differing opinions (quite obviously) amongst astrologers. For instance, the great HOUSE SYSTEM debate, as well as which zodiac to even use. Hell, Uranian astrologers don't even really use signs at all and rely heavily on mid points.

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Someone once said this: Astrology is never wrong. Only astrologers are. So, yes, astrology works but not for everyone.

posted April 20, 2012 03:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:

I've had this experience as well. Some people tend to be very dismissive of sun signs and immediately try to look for other chart indicators of behaviour but the thing is, I can usually guess a person's sun sign by their passions if not their actual face. This is not a word of a lie. I met a guy in a McDonald's once who was really into photography, I asked him when his birthday was guessing to myself that he was a Cancer, he told me his birthday was in early July. I am a person who is very concerned with patterns and statistics. This isn't a conscious decision, I seem instinctively to make certain connections, it's just how my brain works. If I say, "This is a pattern I've noticed with this sign" I can usually name several examples. I'm not pulling this stuff out of thin air. Sometimes it's "stereotypical" astrological patterns associated with a certain sign, and sometimes it's not. But almost like clockwork someone will come along and say, "It's not because of their sun sign, it's because of this." OK, fine. I can link to about 12 studies that make associations with sun signs and at least two books have been written on the subject, but they don't matter at all. I'm sure all of those statistical correlations can be explained by conflicts in the individual chart in every single case Anyway, I get what you're saying, though. The sun sign is more important than die-hard astrology fans give it credit for. I also think that the "conventional" interpretations of sun sign compatibility can be very wrong. So I go by my experiences and the patterns I've noticed here, too (for instance, Leo/Capricorn is not conventionally considered a compatible match, but I've never actually ever encountered or even seen in Hollywood many Leo/Capricorn couples that split up. So maybe they're not instantly attracted to each other in a dynamic way, but when they get together, boy does it ever work.)
Another example? My boyfriend's bad temper. Sure, you can say that his Mars/Pluto square is responsible, but Linda Goodman said of Sagittarius males: "When he's in a temper, the archer can break down a door, or punch a hole through a wall. He's just letting off steam, but it does make a lot of work, and how many times can you call the plasterer?... but after an especially fiery display of temper, the typical Sagittarian will feel remorse and try to make amends.
I've also read of our sun sign compatibility: "Avoid hard head and hot head friction.
You can be a bit stubborn, and he can be quite hot-headed at times." - This is the source of all of our fights. So it's just interesting to me. You can say that I'm a "hard head" because my overall chart is fixed, and he's a "hot head" because he has a Mars/Pluto and a Mars/Saturn square, but... but but but, right?

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posted April 21, 2012 10:36 AM            

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
did you check if the cancer guy has also mercury, and venus in cancer? the things is that most sun-sings has also other planets in the same sign. would like instead, a study that showw that people with certain sign and a stellium in the next sign are more like their sun sign. i am tired of seing people who do not behave, dont think like their sun-sign and when you see their chart aspects and planets explains this contradictions.

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posted April 21, 2012 11:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Aquacheeka - My impression is that I could find many Sagittarian Sun men who are not aggressive in this world... but I am not so confident that I could find many men with a 0' orb Mars/Pluto square or opposition who are not aggressive.

It might be just an illusion though, that I feel this way --- although it is at least partially based on experience. I might have a look on astrotheme and see whether I can find a bunch of Mars/Pluto men who are know to be calm, reasonable pleople.

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posted April 21, 2012 11:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
I've always thought Brad Pitt was very much like Capricorn...

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I agree, he seems like a Capricorn, maybe because of his Cap SN and being born close to the Sag-Cap cusp.

But, as a Cap sun, I am very familiar with Cap energy, and I have to say, he doesn't quite make it.

I see the Sag sun with him.

amowls: Regarding astrology, it HAS been tested. There is at least one database I know of, correlating birth dates with frequency of characteristics, and many astrologers rely on it, because it's proving itself accurate over time.

Rosalind, as for opinions with astrology, it is like other sciences: prone to expansion, and it expands when people begin noticing new patterns, theorizing and testing. And anyone can do this, you don't need a certificate.

But it is also a more intuitive art,as amowls said. Think of the Sabian symbols and how they have to be applied creatively to each person; there isn't much you can gain from them by way of literal analysis.

At the end of the day, we all have our theories and intuitions on top of standard astrological knowledge.

posted April 21, 2012 04:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I agree, he seems like a Capricorn, maybe because of his Cap SN and being born close to the Sag-Cap cusp.

But, as a Cap sun, I am very familiar with Cap energy, and I have to say, he doesn't quite make it.

I see the Sag sun with him.

amowls: Regarding astrology, it HAS been tested. There is at least one database I know of, correlating birth dates with frequency of characteristics, and many astrologers rely on it, because it's proving itself accurate over time.

Rosalind, as for opinions with astrology, it is like other sciences: prone to expansion, and it expands when people begin noticing new patterns, theorizing and testing. And anyone can do this, you don't need a certificate.

But it is also a more intuitive art,as amowls said. Think of the Sabian symbols and how they have to be applied creatively to each person; there isn't much you can gain from them by way of literal analysis.

At the end of the day, we all have our theories and intuitions on top of standard astrological knowledge.

So, respectfully, I disagree with you.

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Yeah, brad pitt has a hint of capricorn in him imo but is 98% sagittarius to me lol

posted April 21, 2012 10:39 PM            

He made the book using a database he compiled with 25,000 names, over 40 years. He had some of it online when he was running a promotional offer website, so I've seen some of it in graph format: it basically turns biographical data into birthday statistics.

I said other astrologers use it because Martin Goldsmith's The Zodiac by Degrees credits Goldschneider's Secret Language of Birthdays explicitly.

Also the book is so popular, it was repackaged for girls:


And as part of The Element series of books:

posted April 22, 2012 10:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
^ Gary Goldschnieder's. He's the author of the Secret Language of Birthdays.

He made the book using a database he compiled with 25,000 names, over 40 years. He had some of it online when he was running a promotional offer website, so I've seen some of it in graph format: it basically turns biographical data into birthday statistics.

I said other astrologers use it because Martin Goldsmith's The Zodiac by Degrees credits Goldschneider's Secret Language of Birthdays explicitly.

Also the book is so popular, it was repackaged for girls:


And as part of The Element series of books:

As I see it, the revelations of the database are ebbing out into popular consciousness.

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