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posted April 19, 2012 04:46 PM            

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I keep reading all of these interpretations of events in Brad Pitt's life and Brad Pitt's character (what with the globe-trotting and all) like he is the archetypal Sagittarius, but look at the man's chart - he is a Sadge sun with Moon, Venus, Mercury and Mars in Capricorn. How Saggy can he really be?

Similarly, my Virgo friend told me that he feels like he was born a month early; I did his chart and sure enough, he's got his moon in Sagittarius and Mercury, Venus and Mars all in Libra (might have even been Jupiter, too, I can't remember). But to look at the man, I'd know right away that he's a Virgo. I mean, he has the Virgoface.

So, how important is the sun sign? It is supposed to be the "essence" of our being, right? Or can it be overwhelmed by a stellium in a neighbouring sign and make your sun sign irrelevant?

Just wondering.

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posted April 19, 2012 04:46 PM            

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Maybe the physical appearance (with my Virgo friend) is only because sun represents the body?

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posted April 19, 2012 04:49 PM            

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posted April 19, 2012 05:09 PM              

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She looks a bit like a Virgo but does she act like one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPi2s1K_pgU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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posted April 19, 2012 05:30 PM            

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Plenty of people around me do not act like their sun signs.The scorpio suns that I know don't act like scorpios, they are very outgoing nothing mysterious about them & they aren't even emotional.

I think that the aspects to the sun will definitely modify the sign.Ex:sun in aries conjunct neptune would act more pisces than aries.Before I got in to astrology,I really didn't identify with my sun sign.Sagittarius are supposed to be outgoing,sporty & optimists & I am the complete opposite of that.I feel much more like my moon sign pisces.Now that I think about it the people around me act much more like their moon sign than their sun sign.Every one is different it all depends on their natal chart.

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posted April 19, 2012 05:48 PM            

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I am a Libra Sun but I do not seem like a Libra all the time.

I have a similar case to what you described - having all my personal planets save Mars in Scorpio, which seems to alter my personality a bit.

But I agree: the Sun is important because at the end of the day, it is really who you are deep down inside. It's the permanent mark of your identity! Although some say I act more like a Scorpio than a Libra, I do still exhibit some Libra traits... I can't totally shake off being Venusian no matter how hard I try. OTL That's the Sun in action.

I also agree that aspects to the Sun add different colors to your core identity. Many Scorpionic planets make minor aspects to my Sun which also adds to people accidentally guessing me as Scorpio. I guess the same thing could happen for someone with a few Pisces planets that aspect their sun, or Neptune conjunct Sun, for example. They'd probably be outwardly more Piscean versus their actual Sun sign at times.
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posted April 19, 2012 06:43 PM            

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To me, Scorpions can be quiet or outgoing, but they are always intense. The extroverted ones I've met have tended to go a little harder with the partying than I can even handle.

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posted April 19, 2012 06:49 PM            

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The way I see it, Sun signs are the ego/personality. The aspects made to the Sun are of equal importance. I also find the Moon to be a crucial factor. I often guess the Moon sign as readily as I guess the Sun sign. Plus the house the Sun is in is so important too. An Aries wIth their Sun in the 4th house is drastically different to me than and Aries with Sun in the 6th.

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posted April 19, 2012 07:03 PM            

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I think sun signs are pretty important. Even those who have dominant energies in their chart related to other things, I can still always see a bit of their sun sign identity seeping through. The sun to me is the foundation of the house. Everything gets built around that. Though I also consider the Ascendant to be pretty important in the natal chart.

It all depends though. But I feel very connected to my sun sign and I'm a Libra.

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posted April 20, 2012 01:15 AM            

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I can guess birthdays within a narrow range if I am talking to a person face to face, and sometimes with videos. What I'm reading is just their sun.

Either I have somehow trained myself to focus JUST on the sun energy, or it's objectively prominent.

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posted April 20, 2012 02:24 AM            

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As others have said, the sun sign will always show up in a person and will have qualities of it. However, it will be more and less important in different people depending on many factors.

For me, my sun sign actually plays a minimal roll to who I am. My sun is in taurus, and conjuncts my mercury. That's the only major aspect it makes. It's also my only sign in taurus. I then have a strong influence of scorpio energy which is counter to taurus so it dampers that. Then the sun is in the 8th house itself tied into a gemini stellium so it feels that influence.

In short, for me all of my other planatary influences add up and end up rather strongly overpowering my sun.

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posted April 20, 2012 02:57 AM            

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I've always thought Brad Pitt was very much like Capricorn... so I definitely wouldn't say that his Saggy Sun trumps that.
He was in a long term marriage which he left for a long term relationship and he has like 7 kids.
How many Sags (if you go by the typical interpretation of the sign) would want that?
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Capricorn is responsible and family oriented. Sagittarius is like the lone ranger.
SURE - Sagittarius travels!! But usually by themselves and they pile up quite the list of women they have slept with form all the cultures of the world....
It is not a traditional Sag thing - to go travelling with their partner and their small-army of children lmao

Besides Brad seems cautious and responsible to me. I mean he has never done anything too bad... He's always been like the good boy next door.
This is not at all - like the traditional interpretation of Sagittarius.

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How many Sags (if you go by the typical interpretation of the sign) would want that?
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They're ruled by Jupiter. Planet of excess. So if they want children, they wouldn't want just one.

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posted April 20, 2012 03:19 AM            

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Maybe the physical appearance (with my Virgo friend) is only because sun represents the body?

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THE ASCENDANT represents the body! The Sun represents the SOUL, THE SPIRIT!

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posted April 20, 2012 04:41 AM            

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Yeah, nice try.

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I just wanted to say, I wish more people on this forum realized how important sun signs are...

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I concur . Sometimes when it comes to astrology, it seems as though people pick and choose what they like instead of seeing everything as an interconnected web. Who would we be without our sun sign? We are so many things, this is a true, but we've got to have a starting point. I think the Sun is way too important to be overlooked. Actually, everything about our natal charts are way to important to be overlooked. Even things we can't yet relate to. We might grow into them or become more aware of them as time goes by. It's all a continually unfolding process.

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posted April 20, 2012 10:23 AM            

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SURE - Sagittarius travels!! But usually by themselves and they pile up quite the list of women they have slept with form all the cultures of the world....

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You should check out his dating history from his youth http://www.whosdatedwho.com/tpx_366/brad-pitt/

Been there, done that. Kids are his latest adventure, I suppose. But I can see what you mean about him being very Cappy. He speaks in a very slow and deliberate way.

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posted April 20, 2012 10:26 AM            

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THE ASCENDANT represents the body! The Sun represents the SOUL, THE SPIRIT!

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So I've heard. But in my view, ascendant is image. It's not a planetary body so it can't represent a physical body. The sun represents physical body (just my interpretation based on the fact that I can recognize certain signs by their physical appearance, but they'll dress or do their hair according to their ascendants, and also the fact that Leo is very physical).

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I concur . Sometimes when it comes to astrology, it seems as though people pick and choose what they like instead of seeing everything as an interconnected web. Who would we be without our sun sign? We are so many things, this is a true, but we've got to have a starting point. I think the Sun is way too important to be overlooked. Actually, everything about our natal charts are way to important to be overlooked. Even things we can't yet relate to. We might grow into them or become more aware of them as time goes by. It's all a continually unfolding process.

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That is a very good point, Joan, and thank you so much for pointing it out. I can literally feel myself embracing certain aspects of myself as I get older and accepting certain things about myself without judgment that I was resistant to before, so just because it's not apparent yet doesn't mean it won't be. With all of that said, I can't deny the essence of my personhood. My problem is that it's hard to be objective about how important or unimportant secondary aspects are because so much of my chart is in agreement/non-contradictory signs. I really do rely on the words of others who haven't had this experience. Like, for instance, when I become a bit too forceful with my opinion (which I'm trying to be mindful of), I can't extract whether that's my know-it-all Mars in Sadge, or my know-it-all Mercury in Aquarius LOL.

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I just wanted to say, I wish more people on this forum realized how important sun signs are, bc it's usually just considered "horoscope nonsense" lol. Any time I try to stereotype based on sun signs I get told I'm just a newbie, when I've been studying astrology for over 8 years and feel very confident interpreting someone's compatibility with another person, as well as what their personality is like from their natal chart.

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I've had this experience as well. Some people tend to be very dismissive of sun signs and immediately try to look for other chart indicators of behaviour but the thing is, I can usually guess a person's sun sign by their passions if not their actual face. This is not a word of a lie. I met a guy in a McDonald's once who was really into photography, I asked him when his birthday was guessing to myself that he was a Cancer, he told me his birthday was in early July. I am a person who is very concerned with patterns and statistics. This isn't a conscious decision, I seem instinctively to make certain connections, it's just how my brain works. If I say, "This is a pattern I've noticed with this sign" I can usually name several examples. I'm not pulling this stuff out of thin air. Sometimes it's "stereotypical" astrological patterns associated with a certain sign, and sometimes it's not. But almost like clockwork someone will come along and say, "It's not because of their sun sign, it's because of this." OK, fine. I can link to about 12 studies that make associations with sun signs and at least two books have been written on the subject, but they don't matter at all. I'm sure all of those statistical correlations can be explained by conflicts in the individual chart in every single case Anyway, I get what you're saying, though. The sun sign is more important than die-hard astrology fans give it credit for. I also think that the "conventional" interpretations of sun sign compatibility can be very wrong. So I go by my experiences and the patterns I've noticed here, too (for instance, Leo/Capricorn is not conventionally considered a compatible match, but I've never actually ever encountered or even seen in Hollywood many Leo/Capricorn couples that split up. So maybe they're not instantly attracted to each other in a dynamic way, but when they get together, boy does it ever work.)
Another example? My boyfriend's bad temper. Sure, you can say that his Mars/Pluto square is responsible, but Linda Goodman said of Sagittarius males: "When he's in a temper, the archer can break down a door, or punch a hole through a wall. He's just letting off steam, but it does make a lot of work, and how many times can you call the plasterer?... but after an especially fiery display of temper, the typical Sagittarian will feel remorse and try to make amends.
I've also read of our sun sign compatibility: "Avoid hard head and hot head friction.
You can be a bit stubborn, and he can be quite hot-headed at times." - This is the source of all of our fights. So it's just interesting to me. You can say that I'm a "hard head" because my overall chart is fixed, and he's a "hot head" because he has a Mars/Pluto and a Mars/Saturn square, but... but but but, right?

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So I've heard. But in my view, ascendant is image. It's not a planetary body so it can't represent a physical body. The sun represents physical body (just my interpretation based on the fact that I can recognize certain signs by their physical appearance, but they'll dress or do their hair according to their ascendants, and also the fact that Leo is very physical).

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You cannot have personal views in astrology. You cannot change it according to your opinions. Astrology is science not a SF movie. No offence, just saying.

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posted April 20, 2012 10:48 AM            

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No one ever tells you to flat out IGNORE the Sun, however it is not the be all and end all. You have to look at the entire chart. Sagittarius is strong in my chart (and you can tell) even though I only have Mars, Saturn , Uranus in it. HOWEVER, Saturn & Uranus are the rulers of my Sun, and my Sun and chart ruler are in my 9th house. My 11th house has Jupiter in it. So my chart has a lot of Sagittarian tendencies even though at first glance you're like "oh, an Aqua."

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You cannot have personal views in astrology.

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OK, well that is your opinion

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