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posted April 21, 2012 12:23 AM            

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how does pluto act? who is obsessed with who?

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posted April 21, 2012 01:22 AM              

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I had Sun conjunct (still a hard aspect) Pluto with someone once. I was Pluto and was obsessed with him for like 3 years, even though I didn't see him for the last year. At some point I told him I like him & he seemed to feel neutral about me. At least 4 other girls in the grade felt that way about him cuz they have the same Pluto sign/degree, quite obviously. He couldn't stand one of the girls. Didn't seem to notice the other two. Turned out he liked someone at another school. He's married now. I met his wife and let's just say I'm relieved I'm nowhere near his type & laugh at all the teenage angst I went through because of him.

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posted April 21, 2012 11:04 PM            

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i FEEL THIS ASPECT IS UNDERRATED. i think it is more important than most people think.

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posted April 21, 2012 11:07 PM            

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^ What's your experience with it?

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posted April 22, 2012 12:43 AM            

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I would also like to hear peoples experiences with this aspect in synastry.

I am Pluto, and I have to say, I wish I wasn't because I am obsessed Well I think we both are because his Pluto squares my mars and both aspects are 0*. Its passionate, compulsive, irrational, exhausting, all that great Pluto stuff. I read, on another thread on here, how Pluto can instantly see your strength and vulnerabilities, and its soo true, I really can. I believe he sees into me as well though. Power struggles.. Sure, that and constantly living in fear of losing this person, a lot of trust issues, all consuming all day feeling for me.

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posted April 22, 2012 01:02 AM            

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^ Ooooh that was my *exact* experience of someone who had this in the natal.
Extrapolating here, It is hard to get past that, isn't it?
Do you suffer from lack of trust, perhaps, in this association? O you have.
Have you been honest about your insecurities?

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posted April 22, 2012 04:50 AM              

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This was my first real relationship. It was a wide orb but I was Pluto he was Sun.

Obsession? Yes.
Worth it? No.

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posted April 22, 2012 06:03 AM            

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Agree that Pluto person does the obsessing. Had the exact conjunction with my ex, he has it in the natal, I have the parallel in natal. While separately we seemed quite similar, together, with this aspect, it was like we were on opposite extremes. At the end of the day, each person expresses the planet they bring into the aspect. It is not "you sun-ify my Pluto and I pluton-ify your sun", it's my Pluto doing the obsessing and your Sun doing its self-centered ego boosting. This aspect makes a relationship unbalanced and unfair to one of the players, especially with some Neptune/Chiron in the mix. When I broke it off with exy, I was extremely filled with anger and resentments towards him, like I wasn't for some which were more deserving of it. It is a powerful aspect, but not one to be taken lightly, IMO. It may sound exciting and thrilling, but it cuts just as deep and bleeds you dry. The sex was interesting, though.

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posted April 22, 2012 03:25 PM            

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i think the sq and opp pluto is secretly obsesssed

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posted April 23, 2012 01:06 AM            

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I also see how it can be very unbalanced. Hopefully there will be mutual Pluto aspects, not necessarily a DW, but perhaps a Pluto theme. I am grateful that my loves Pluto squares my Mars and that his moon falls in my 8th, so im not the only one feeling the obsession. Otherwise, I would be way too insecure to continue the relationship. No I have yet to work through the insecurities, so I haven't been really upfront or honest about them.

One thing to keep in mind is how a lot of the interpretations of Pluto-Sun aspects in synastry say that Pluto is always the one in control.

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posted April 23, 2012 01:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Lava Flower:

One thing to keep in mind is how a lot of the interpretations of Pluto-Sun aspects in synastry say that Pluto is always the one in control.

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Well, he is. Somewhat. LOL. What I mean is that it was always in my hands - enter the relationship, stay in it or walk away. Pluto is also the one who does the manipulation thing, if there is any and most likely there is. With my ex, I did this thing with telling him how I felt, which made me irresistible to him (Sun - ego boosting ), which in a way could be considered that I manipulated the situation, since I knew exactly how it will develop.
He also said that he felt I was this mastermind or something - he was very impressed with me having a psy degree, like I could make people succumb to my will through psychological manipulation and for some reason, he was smitten by that. Unfortunately, one can only stay so cool when in love... and what he believed me to be was nothing like what I felt inside.

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posted April 23, 2012 02:28 AM            

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I've noticed that More and more I'm thinking the aspects just link energy between 2 people. They both have access to the energy when the connection is made so it seems it's a matter of who wants to pick up what.

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posted April 23, 2012 02:52 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
I've noticed that More and more I'm thinking the aspects just link energy between 2 people. They both have access to the energy when the connection is made so it seems it's a matter of who wants to pick up what.

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I would also imagine that it will make a difference if its also in the natal of the people concerned.

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posted April 23, 2012 02:58 AM            

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This is veering off topic, but agreed, in general "yes."
Tho I will say that *for some reason* - others act out my Venus to me - I think it might be a way for them to try to endear themselves, I'm not sure why, but it happens often I'll throw in my DSC as well (related to Venus).

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posted April 23, 2012 03:14 AM            

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I,ve with my mother her sun square my pluto = I dont like power struggles and when I feel she is to much I always leave her and be back later.

My daughters moon conj pluto square my Sun. There is also power struggles but my mercury, uranus, pluto sextile hers moon conj pluto in scorpio so we never be off on the same way like my mother and me. My daughter and I always resolve things by talking.

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posted April 23, 2012 03:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
This is veering off topic, but agreed, in general "yes."
Tho I will say that *for some reason* - others act out my Venus to me - I think it might be a way for them to try to endear themselves, I'm not sure why, but it happens often I'll throw in my DSC as well (related to Venus).

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This IS a little off topic, I apologize. I only have one more question concerning this.. Do you believe it would be more or less felt in synastry, if the aspects is close and "prominent/sensitive" in the natal.. But exact and approaching in synastry.

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posted April 23, 2012 04:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Lava Flower:
This IS a little off topic, I apologize. I only have one more question concerning this.. Do you believe it would be more or less felt in synastry, if the aspects is close and "prominent/sensitive" in the natal.. But exact and approaching in synastry.

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My opinion, though you did not ask me personally, is that if the aspect is present in the natal, the person feels it LESS in synastry. They are already used to the energy, not completely immune, but more accustomed with it. It is the case with people who have aspects between personal planets and generational ones. For example, I have an exact, applying conjunction of Moon-Neptune. Though I am prone to daydreaming and self-delusion, if I have this aspect in synastry with my Moon conjunct their Neptune, it is usually them who do the fantasizing and deluding themselves - unless there are other aspects that complicate the matter. As I said previously, it is my belief that each player expressed the planet they bring into the equation. In the above example, I bring my Moon (sensitivity) and they bring Neptune (romanticism, delusion, over-idealization). Almost every guy I have dated still, to this day, regardless of how ugly it got between us, considers me someone special, the ideal woman if things would have been different. Odd to hear it, but I have been told that a number of times.

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posted April 23, 2012 04:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Lava Flower:
Do you believe it would be more or less felt in synastry, if the aspects is close and "prominent/sensitive" in the natal.. But exact and approaching in synastry.

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No apology necessary.

More. The person in the natal would be on high alert for its effects,
it's been prominent in the life as we feel our most exact aspects the strongest.
Now add in another person who triggers that energy.
They don't know it yet, but soon, they will.
They will be drawn into this experience with you leading the way, as the guide.
Maybe they stumble and act out because they are unsure of how to *handle* it.
Maybe they feel ill at ease and ^ is how they handle it.
But I think they expect the one with the natal aspect to clue them in on a few things.
And maybe the one with the natal aspect is overwhelmed (Pluto) on a certain level because in a real sense they are meeting themselves in another.

What's your gut reaction to that?

This is something I deal with too,
I have to say that every new experience with these types of aspects teaches you something new
Always something that's out there, unaccounted for. Just waiting to surprise..

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posted April 23, 2012 03:07 PM            

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That's interesting. I really hope the influence is less because I hope to have a serious relationship with this man, and Pluto is so hard to control within yourself.

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posted April 23, 2012 05:14 PM            

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Time will tell.

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posted September 24, 2012 08:41 AM            

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I would love everyone's thoughts on these aspects and any advice you have to offer:

Me aspects My Interest:

Pluto trine Sun
Sun square Pluto
Mars square Pluto
Pluto opp Mars
Mercury square Pluto
Pluto trine Mercury
Pluto trine Moon
Moon trine Pluto

Pluto sextile Saturn
Saturn sextile Pluto

Sun trine Moon
Venus conj Venus
Neptune conj Saturn
Neptune opp Moon
Venus opp Moon

Uranus trine Jupiter
Mars trine Moon
Mercury trine Moon

Sun sextile Saturn
Mars sextile Saturn
Mercury sextile Saturn

We're still not together, I'm wondering if we ever will be. I feel tremendous passion, intensity & love from my side more than Iv ever felt for anyone before. The attraction I feel is unbelievable. I feel like this is it for me, I've found "the one". But my love only wants us to be close friends. <insert heartbreak here> It's driving me crazy.

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posted September 25, 2012 09:49 PM            

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I have this with my boyfriend. My 12H Scorp Pluto square his natal 12H Leo Sun conjunct Jupiter.

It plays out for us in a strange way. It's definitely not always an obvious obsession I have in controlling him at times but I do have this. I just have an overwhelming urge to control his future and what he is doing right now to better his life and 'save' him. I find that I think of him all the time. What worries me is that sometimes I wonder if he just feeds off of it with an inflated ego since he has a Leo Sun conjunct Jupiter receiving my Plutonian influence.

I'm always very concerned with his life choices and can try to exert a definite subtle influence over him... like subtle spy craft. It's my 12H influence coming out over my Pluto. I don't openly try to control him or keep control over the relationship but I can do it on a subtle level. He has this aspect in his natal chart which I find interesting. And what's even more interesting, 75% of the time he enjoys being dominated by me... both in real life areas, like what we're doing for plans or how he can better his life, and sexually too.

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posted September 25, 2012 11:07 PM            

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I have this with my boyfriend. My 12H Scorp Pluto square his natal 12H Leo Sun conjunct Jupiter.

It plays out for us in a strange way. It's definitely not always an obvious obsession I have in controlling him at times but I do have this. I just have an overwhelming urge to control his future and what he is doing right now to better his life and 'save' him. I find that I think of him all the time. What worries me is that sometimes I wonder if he just feeds off of it with an inflated ego since he has a Leo Sun conjunct Jupiter receiving my Plutonian influence.

I'm always very concerned with his life choices and can try to exert a definite subtle influence over him... like subtle spy craft. It's my 12H influence coming out over my Pluto. I don't openly try to control him or keep control over the relationship but I can do it on a subtle level. He has this aspect in his natal chart which I find interesting. And what's even more interesting, 75% of the time he enjoys being dominated by me... both in real life areas, like what we're doing for plans or how he can better his life, and sexually too.

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That's very similar to my experience. I don't think Pluto ever openly dominates, its always an undercurrent, and that's the scary part because you do not always fully know your own intentions/motivations. I think with this aspect, more so than other receptive aspects that would just absorb this energy (like moon and Venus), this one somewhat reflects it back to Pluto, and both grow form the exchange. Pluto does have a lot of influence, and in my experience as well, Sun is very willing to accommodate Pluto. With introspection, respect, boundaries, maturity, and self control, this aspect is one of major growth imo.

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posted September 26, 2012 04:15 PM            

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That's very similar to my experience. I don't think Pluto ever openly dominates, its always an undercurrent, and that's the scary part because you do not always fully know your own intentions/motivations. I think with this aspect, more so than other receptive aspects that would just absorb this energy (like moon and Venus), this one somewhat reflects it back to Pluto, and both grow from the exchange. Pluto does have a lot of influence, and in my experience as well, Sun is very willing to accommodate Pluto. With introspection, respect, boundaries, maturity, and self control, this aspect is one of major growth imo.

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That's interesting Lava, how we both had similar experiences. I feel like he enjoys being controlled and dominated by me and it's very apparent that he can rarely say no to me, because I have a way of subtly but powerfully convincing him to do things just with the way I speak and look at him. I feel the 'undercurrent' of power and control for us is even more apparent since I have 12H Pluto.

I agree that he as the Sun is willing to accommodate me, very much so. Sometimes too much. As I said, I was really surprised that he's so into the ideas of being dominated sexually too. He's very independent and carries an air of self-sufficiency but he seems to be man who appears powerful in the real world but wants to be babied and held sexually. He just willingly gives up his power in the bedroom for some reason. I'm just really surprised since I suspected him to carry his dominant personality into a relationship as well but it was almost the exact opposite. It's interesting since his Pluto is conjunct my Venus by about 3 degrees so I suspected he'd want to dominate me sexually but he usually doesn't.

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posted October 04, 2012 12:34 PM            

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Brad’s Pluto is square Angelina’s Sun. In this relationship, there may be power struggles, as each person strives to dominate the other. Brad tends to have the “upper hand” in the union, being the Pluto person. He puts Angelina in touch with her primal emotions, and brings out of her much passion and intensity.
http://astrolady.wix.com/astrolady#!brangelina/c1fo5

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