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Ami Anne
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posted April 21, 2012 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Elemental Voids
By amiann | Published: April 21, 2012

There are four elements which are used in Astrology. The world is made up of these four elements. One can look out one’s window and see the elements and their interplay. The chart mirrors the earth because God made both. The earth is balanced with the four elements. The oceans are bordered by the sands. The water is contained and stopped by the earth. Fire is used for a fuel. Water can extinguish it. Air can fuel it. If one studies Chinese Medicine, one can see the interplay of the elements making up the Universe and being mirrored in the body. That is the theory behind acupuncture and how and why acupuncture works. The elements are very real things. They function in the human in very real ways.That is why when there is an element void in a chart, it becomes a major focus of the chart and a major part of that person, for better or worse.

I will discuss each Elemental Void so you can have an idea how they function on a personal level. The first one would be an Earth Void. The Earth Void does not feel as if he is a citizen of the physical plane. He may struggle to feel grounded and able to handle the personal exigencies of life. He may be poor with organization. He may have a home, a desk or a pocketbook with things stuffed within, in no order. Earth deals with the practical building blocks of every day life such as bills, money and making life go from disorder to order. The Earth Void struggles with such things. However, as with all Voids, the earth void may be very successful, materially. There seems to be some magic with the Voids. If they try very hard, they seem to master their Void and achieve more than someone without it. Conversely,if they do not, they seem to struggle for their entire lives. It is the unusual person who can overcome his Void.It takes a great deal of struggle against a mountain, which is the force of the Void. However,I have seen it happen.

The Air Void may have a hard time stepping back and detaching.One could see this when the Air Void is insulted. He may punch first and ask questions later. He may be quick to jump into a fray.It seems as if his whole being is attacked when a person hurls an insult his way. That is because Air is the element which allows us to pull back and assess. Air gives one logic. Logic allows one to jettison out of one’s emotions and take a logical stance. A person low in Air or an Air Void may have to be very careful not to react at the spur of the moment. If one reacts without thinking, one will pull trouble to oneself. There are always people who will test one’s patience. The person high in Air is gifted in these settings. The person with the Air Void must know, beforehand, that he is susceptible to react, first, and ask questions later. That will provide a needed buffer for him.

Fire is drive, optimism, get up and go, and enthusiasm. People high in fire have a natural optimism. They have a natural desire for adventure. They want to experience life. They feel a childlike sense that everything will be alright. The power of their natural optimism makes it to become the case, often. The Fire Void does not have fire traits( unless one adds houses which are beyond the scope of this article.) For the purposes of this article, the Fire Void has to struggle with what comes naturally to the person high in Fire. As such, the Fire Void must push himself, doubly. The Fire Void must overcome the inertia of wanting to give up. Think of an actual fire. It’s warmth goes into one and gives a natural sense of well being. The fire void may have to search within the deep recesses of his will to compensate for the lack of natural fire. However, as with wealth coming to the Earth Void, many highly successful people are Fire Voids.

The Water Void seems to be the hardest, in my personal opinion. Astrologers may vary in this. I feel a precious kinship with my own water. It seems to keep me strong when I want to fall. My water makes me feel connected to others. This connection makes me feel that I can reach my hand out to another person and he will reach back. My water makes me feel as if I am one with the human race. I feel that I connect through the element of water, which is my feelings, my heart’s responses. As such, I feel a certain gasp when I see a Water Void. Truth be told, I still don”t quite understand the Water Void. As I said, a Void can propel a person to develop the element very strongly due to the sheer overcoming of it. I have seen a Water Void be the most sensitive person in the room. However, it seems as if the typical Water Void cannot connect emotionally. The Water Void may put his foot in his mouth as he cannot step into another person’s shoes. I have seen one Water Void fight to the death that she was sensitive, all the while insulting everyone within ears reach. I do have to demur in the area of the Water Void as I do not understand it from behind it’s eyes, which is always my goal.

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posted April 21, 2012 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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When one is low in an element, one would have strong traits of the Void but not the degree of it.

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posted April 21, 2012 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tautomer4314     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a true fire void, and I can say from experience that I do have to use a TON of will power to force myself to put things to action. Far more then most people do. I don't have that "cheery" fire disposition at all. When I was younger I would give up on ANYTHING that was a challenge for me or did not come easy. That is an urge that will be for me with the rest of my life. Physical action is a huge struggle for me. If I had my way I'd live inside my mind at all times and leave my body for good. All of the drive I have really is just fear of failure.

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posted April 21, 2012 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by tautomer4314:
I have a true fire void, and I can say from experience that I do have to use a TON of will power to force myself to put things to action. Far more then most people do. I don't have that "cheery" fire disposition at all. When I was younger I would give up on ANYTHING that was a challenge for me or did not come easy. That is an urge that will be for me with the rest of my life. Physical action is a huge struggle for me. If I had my way I'd live inside my mind at all times and leave my body for good. All of the drive I have really is just fear of failure.


Yep, the voids are very real things Tautomer. I have an Earth Void.It is so funny. When I got married, I didn't want to bother with all the things girls love like the invitations, the dress, the seating, dish patterns etc.

I got married in a rabbi's study with 5 people lol

I think the Earth Void is the easiest one.Mine doesn't really bother me. I have learned to tell people who I am. If they don't like it, they can find another friend .

The Fire one is a deeper one, I think

Do you, literally, feel cold, temperature wise?

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posted April 21, 2012 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I love the discussion of elemental voids. Don't have one in my chart, evenly balanced, but I find them v.intriguing. Good write-up, Ami

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posted April 21, 2012 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LuckyLeo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is interesting. Do you consider the placements of the outer planets or just inner?

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posted April 21, 2012 04:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LuckyLeo:
This is interesting. Do you consider the placements of the outer planets or just inner?

ALL placements but if some people have one outer planet in an element, they would be low in the element or an almost void but not a true void. There is a big difference in how it plays out. The actual void is much, much stronger imo

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posted April 21, 2012 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is very interesting!

Sorry I'm new to this and I'm not really sure what exactly qualifies as having a void. Does this take into consideration the planets only or the houses too? I have no personal planets in a water sign (only Pluto in Scorpio), but I have ascendant in Cancer, and Venus in 8th house. Aqua Venus is my only air planet, but I have a few planets in air houses.

So would this mean I have both an air and water void?

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posted April 21, 2012 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by FireMoon:
That is very interesting!

Sorry I'm new to this and I'm not really sure what exactly qualifies as having a void. Does this take into consideration the planets only or the houses too? I have no personal planets in a water sign (only Pluto in Scorpio), but I have ascendant in Cancer, and Venus in 8th house. Aqua Venus is my only air planet, but I have a few planets in air houses.

So would this mean I have both an air and water void?



A Void is no PLANETS in the element. The Houses don't count to determining if one has a Void.If you have one outer planet in an element, you have an almost Void.I made up the term as a true void has NO planets in the element. However, in doing charts, i see that an almost void is still a very strong factor and needs to be taken into consideration.

Don't apologize for not knowing.I was the biggest beggar of info from people when I got here

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posted April 21, 2012 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tautomer4314     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Yep, the voids are very real things Tautomer. I have an Earth Void.It is so funny. When I got married, I didn't want to bother with all the things girls love like the invitations, the dress, the seating, dish patterns etc.

I got married in a rabbi's study with 5 people lol

I think the Earth Void is the easiest one.Mine doesn't really bother me. I have learned to tell people who I am. If they don't like it, they can find another friend .

The Fire one is a deeper one, I think

Do you, literally, feel cold, temperature wise?


My mom has a near earth void (pluto in virgo only), and she is definitely like you described yourself. However, she doesn't go to that extent. She is however, very heavy in pisces and aquarius energy so she is a huge space-case ungrounded and out there. She handles it well.

I have learned to live with my void and I think it actually gives me a strength in other areas that others don't have.

I don't often feel physically cold. However, I LOVE cold weather. Infact, I need it. I'd love to move to alaska or scandanvia someday. I also do not like hot weather at all. If it goes above 75 I start to get cranky and uncomfortable. I really really hate not being able to cool myself off. I BLAST the airconditioner in the summer time. When I was young my parents gave up on trying to get me to turn it down because I was so insistent with it.

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posted April 21, 2012 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think I do not seem like a space cadet due to a lot of Gemini and a Moon trine Saturn although it is 7 degrees. Cancer moon is cardinal so not really space cadet either but a crier


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posted April 21, 2012 05:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like it Ami!

Things like this help rectify my somewhat sketchy birthtime.

My 0 deg Aries is the only planet in fire, for this water/air person, but things like this let me know I have come as close in my chart as I ever will!

thanks for posting!

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posted April 21, 2012 05:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I like it Ami!

Things like this help rectify my somewhat sketchy birthtime.

My 0 deg Aries is the only planet in fire, for this water/air person, but things like this let me know I have come as close in my chart as I ever will!

thanks for posting!




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posted April 21, 2012 07:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for enchantress299     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
See Ami...

I tend to think the opposite of you (not a bad thing imo, just an observation).

I think it's the worst to have the Earth void, because in my experience Earth voids tend to have the hardest time bringing anything to fruition. They are all talk and no action. But I am an earth sign, and so I see this very clearly in other people. Earth is not just all about buying things and ambition. It's about actually building a life that you lovingly maintain. It's about having constancy and something you can count on. (But again, this is my opinion).

Whereas I don't think that I actually feel the water void the way that you express it. I have both an air void and a water void (though perhaps not a 'true' water and air void, as my Asc is water and it's ruled by my only planet in air).

I am IN a feeling profession, and I actually DO feel and use feelings in my profession. However, I'm also able to detach from those feelings far easier than most water signs I know who are also in the profession and I feel like it gives me an edge because I don't burn out as quickly or have unrealistic expectations. I just soldier on, like a good earth/fire gal does.

Sure, my excess in fire and earth can cause me to put my foot in my mouth, but this is usually because I value TRUTH far more than just smoothing things over and not making waves. I will give my opinion, but I don't expect anyone to accept it as fact, however, if a spade is a spade, I will call anyone out for calling it a unicorn any day. I find that some heavy air and water people have major problems with this and that I am not 'creative enough' or 'compassionate enough' in their eyes. To them I just shrug and move on. Doesn't bother me one bit. It does usually make it somewhat difficult for me to connect with air and water signs though.

Ironically, I have recently realized that the vast majority of my friends are water, air, and fire signs, and I have very few earth signed friends. Clearly I want to learn my lessons quickly in this life.

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I have a true earth void.. No planets at all in earth, only my NN is in cap.. So Im "suppose" to grow to this...

But my chart makes up for having the earth void, I have a Leo Stellium in a earth house H6. So Im very grounded, and the void part only effects me in little bit of area's. I dont do things for "money or prestige" I do things cause I want to.. hehehe

I also have sort of an air void.. I have no personal planets in Air but I do have generational planets in Air, My Saturn,Pluto,Uranus are all in air.
This is where my issue's are!!
OH boy.. My Air planets are in air houses H3,H7.. So they are just doubled I guess..

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posted April 21, 2012 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by enchantress299:
See Ami...

I tend to think the opposite of you (not a bad thing imo, just an observation).

I think it's the worst to have the Earth void, because in my experience Earth voids tend to have the hardest time bringing anything to fruition. They are all talk and no action. But I am an earth sign, and so I see this very clearly in other people. Earth is not just all about buying things and ambition. It's about actually building a life that you lovingly maintain. It's about having constancy and something you can count on. (But again, this is my opinion).

Whereas I don't think that I actually feel the water void the way that you express it. I have both an air void and a water void (though perhaps not a 'true' water and air void, as my Asc is water and it's ruled by my only planet in air).

I am IN a feeling profession, and I actually DO feel and use feelings in my profession. However, I'm also able to detach from those feelings far easier than most water signs I know who are also in the profession and I feel like it gives me an edge because I don't burn out as quickly or have unrealistic expectations. I just soldier on, like a good earth/fire gal does.

Sure, my excess in fire and earth can cause me to put my foot in my mouth, but this is usually because I value TRUTH far more than just smoothing things over and not making waves. I will give my opinion, but I don't expect anyone to accept it as fact, however, if a spade is a spade, I will call anyone out for calling it a unicorn any day. I find that some heavy air and water people have major problems with this and that I am not 'creative enough' or 'compassionate enough' in their eyes. To them I just shrug and move on. Doesn't bother me one bit. It does usually make it somewhat difficult for me to connect with air and water signs though.

Ironically, I have recently realized that the vast majority of my friends are water, air, and fire signs, and I have very few earth signed friends. Clearly I want to learn my lessons quickly in this life.



The ASC does not count. You would be a true water Void. How do you see me? As a space cadet? You can be honest. One needs honest feedback! Thanks

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I kinda don't want a void of anything. It doesn't sound too pleasant, but I guess it's a gift in itself like everything else that seems negative.

I'm just happy with my fire/air singletons saving me from being a void.

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posted April 21, 2012 10:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Capriquarius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Yep, the voids are very real things Tautomer. I have an Earth Void.It is so funny. When I got married, I didn't want to bother with all the things girls love like the invitations, the dress, the seating, dish patterns etc.

I got married in a rabbi's study with 5 people lol

I think the Earth Void is the easiest one.Mine doesn't really bother me. I have learned to tell people who I am. If they don't like it, they can find another friend .

The Fire one is a deeper one, I think

Do you, literally, feel cold, temperature wise?



I don't have a void but per Pullen, Earth is the weakest element in my chart & I thought I was going to die of boredom while accompanying someone on her hunt for that perfect wedding gown. I've nearly faked my own death in order to avoid being a bridesmaid lol. I view the wedding industry as that, an industry, to part fools from $$$. So that's how my earthy side/"void" manifests - like I need to compensate for the elemental deficiency by seeing the monetary side of any situation and disregarding all else.

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Maureen
When one is low in an element, one would have strong traits of the Void but not the degree of it.


Ami Anne, thank you for this thorough explanations.

For the Air Void, that is somewhat true. I reacted way too strong to a lot of things most of the times and got all emotional first before cooling down then realizing things may not be as bad as it seems. I can honestly say that I have this automatic 'self-defense' mechanism that reacted strongly and instantly when others wrong me. I may not punch someone although there are times where I secretly wish I could but mostly, it's my words that got so bitchy and hurtful. The strongest reaction I had was when I first found out my ex husband cheated on me again for God only know how many times but after I found out his pictures with another girl, I moved out the same day and never came back. I did regret that for awhile but it turned out to be the right thing to do as he was still seeing that girl even after he and I tried to fix the marriage. He refused to let me move back in because the girl moved in the next day.

For Fire Void, honestly I do have to be pushed sometimes or I have to drag myself out of my self pity. However, I do love adventure...traveling alone for example. Yes, I've been dealing with depression a lot in my life and it's a constant battle to appear 'normal' and 'composed'.

Again, thank you for this. Now I have a deeper sense of understanding as to why I feel or do things the way I do.

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posted April 22, 2012 12:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MorningDew79     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by tautomer4314:
My mom has a near earth void (pluto in virgo only), and she is definitely like you described yourself. However, she doesn't go to that extent. She is however, very heavy in pisces and aquarius energy so she is a huge space-case ungrounded and out there. She handles it well.

I have learned to live with my void and I think it actually gives me a strength in other areas that others don't have.

I don't often feel physically cold. However, I LOVE cold weather. Infact, I need it. I'd love to move to alaska or scandanvia someday. I also do not like hot weather at all. If it goes above 75 I start to get cranky and uncomfortable. I really really hate not being able to cool myself off. I BLAST the airconditioner in the summer time. When I was young my parents gave up on trying to get me to turn it down because I was so insistent with it.


This is interesting!
I can't stand hot weather too. They give me terrible itches and heat rashes. And I was born and raise in Asia, in a very tropical country. I relies heavily on AirCon

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Thanks for your kind words Maureen. You have mercury in the 12th House. I will put some articles up about 12th House planets. Many things are not "our faults". We were born with our charts. We were born with many of our particular hardships. Some people may start to get angry now and think I am trying to make excuses. I am not. This is my opinion as an Astrology student. The charts will help you to accept yourself. Self acceptance is the best present you can give yourself! xx

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I have a water void and I don't think I am devoid of emotion or have trouble connecting emotionally with others. In fact, I think its the opposite. I don't know my ascendant but always suspected it to be in a water sign. I have much empathy for others' feelings and I find it easy to step into their shoes to feel what they are feeling emotionally... I just think I have the tendency to be very controlled in my expression of my emotions. I do have sun/venus conjunct pluto so maybe that adds to the watery feeling in my chart.I feel like that makes me somewhat scorpionic.

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I have a water void and I don't think I am devoid of emotion or have trouble connecting emotionally with others. In fact, I think its the opposite. I don't know my ascendant but always suspected it to be in a water sign. I have much empathy for others' feelings and I find it easy to step into their shoes to feel what they are feeling emotionally... I just think I have the tendency to be very controlled in my expression of my emotions. I do have sun/venus conjunct pluto so maybe that adds to the watery feeling in my chart.I feel like that makes me somewhat scorpionic.

Interesting about the water Void. I do not understand the water Void from behind the eyes of the person. Could you elaborate more, if you care to.

I have seen two very empathetic water voids. I have seen two nasty ones defending HOW they are sensitive to other people while ripping people who dare talk about the water void lol I can't feel out the water void. I would love your help.

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posted April 22, 2012 08:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Could you kind of put me behind your eyes as if I see the world from that vantage point?

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