posted April 22, 2012 09:16 AM            

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Could you kind of put me behind your eyes as if I see the world from that vantage point?

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Ami, let's just say that I feel things very, very deeply but I have difficulty in letting it out and showing others. Sometimes something in everyday life that may seem innocuous to others will touch me very deeply and then come the water works and this always takes me by surprise. I am a sucker for sad movies because it provides an outlet for my controlled emotions. When I do get in touch with my feelings whether sadness, anger etc. I have a tendency to do it in private. I don't want to seem vulnerable to others (perhaps due to my strong pluto though). basically for me, its a matter of having trouble connecting with my feelings and emotions and bringing them to the surface. In a nutshell, I feel like I am still waters run deep, intense but controlled and I have trouble reconciling my strong feelings with my tendency to restrict them. So, I feel a lot but just can't seem to let it all out.

posted April 22, 2012 09:36 AM            

The earth void description fits me definitely, but not the air void one. I say a lot of things impulsively but i attribute that to my mercury uranus opposition. I have libra rising and i think too much before i do, i would say. When someone insults me, i always stand there and think to myself whether they might have meant it that way.

posted April 22, 2012 12:03 PM            

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The ASC does not count. You would be a true water Void. How do you see me? As a space cadet? You can be honest. One needs honest feedback! Thanks

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Not you specifically... Let's just use HEAVY water and HEAVY air influenced people in general for a minute, because I'm not trying to direct this towards you.

Heavy Water signs to me are often too sensitive and sometimes it comes off as an act that they are so inside of the experience of another person's emotions. I can empathize, but I don't feel the need to always cry at everything that everyone else around me is feeling. I am not moved that deeply unless it is something DEEPLY moving. I've known heavy water people, and I know that this is the way that they are, so I accept it, but a lot of the time it seems disingenuous to me. It really seems ALIEN to me, if that makes sense. Not because I wouldn't cry at another's emotional experience (I have), but because I wouldn't always cry at every emotional thing that I've ever heard (and they seem to do that sometimes). Plus, when they aren't there for me when I need them, I tend to believe that they really AREN'T empathizing with me at all. I've found that, with my water signed friends, I have to put things in emotional terms or in feelings, otherwise they simply don't understand why I'm upset. For instance (hypothetically), they don't understand why I'm upset when they share a secret to a friend that I've told them not to share. To me, because I told you not to share that, it is an unwritten rule of politeness and kindness to do as you say that you are going to do and that not doing so will automatically lead to my feeling betrayed. However, some of the water signs I've known don't understand unless I SAY to them: "I was HURT because..." If I don't tie in the emotion, they don't seem to understand the cause.

HEAVY air I've also dealt with. They are more likely to get the moniker of space cadet, but not always. I actually like air people a lot, but they are just so darned unreliable and inconsistent it simply drives my heavy earth bonkers trying to figure out what the heck it is that they are trying to accomplish with me. I'm like: "Why make plans with me if you are automatically going to blow me off later? Just say that you can't hang out!" For my heavy fire they drive me insane because they won't just say: "NO. I can't do that." Just say no! It's easy! I won't be offended! I will be more offended if you make plans with me and ignore me or blow me off or cancel at the last minute because you couldn't just tell me no at the time. That's just being a responsible person. (Of course, I suspect that air signs are usually just so preoccupied they often don't remember what plans they've made and which ones they haven't, so I take that into account too).

Keep in mind, because I am heavy earth, I need a lot of that reliability and consistency to feel that I am actually truly cared for as a person, and many times heavy air and water people simply cannot offer that, as air signs are just all over the place and water signs' moods change with the tides. Because I am heavy fire, I often don't understand heavy water's need to be so emotionally connected that they are depressed and downbeat all the time or heavy air's need to say the right thing and please everyone around them all the time. Like I said before, it is simply ALIEN to me. That's probably the best way I can describe it. I don't have those same drives, so it is unfamiliar territory to me (just as my drives are unfamiliar to them).

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Ami, do you find that people with a water void tend to be drawn to those who have a lot of water? If so, why do you think this is? Is it a matter of just trying to find a balance in yourself through another person? i think this is the case with me.

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Yes, totally PS. You crave your Void Element. I crave Earth in men.I love everything that feels like earth--solid shoulders, warmth,comfort, security.

All my B/fs except two have been earth signs.It is funny that the other two were the ones that felt like true love lol

The other two were the same blend, though.They were a Sag sun, Cancer ASC and Mars in Scorpio, the bane of my existence

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posted April 22, 2012 01:05 PM            

No Water = get really involved with feelings and emotions.
No Air = become obsessed with ideas, writing, speaking, etc.
No Fire = very dramatic and romantic expression (Rudolph Valentino, the romantic lover).
No Earth = very strong emphasis on the material plane (J. Paul Getty millionaire).
You may find yourself being attracted to friends and lovers who have much Water; or, like my psychiatrist, working with people who have emotional issues.  I don't think a missing element is anything to be worried about. We all tend to build in or fill in those qualities we are missing one way or another. Look at progressions. The Moon, especially will progress through all the signs, elements and modalities during a lifetime.

When we look at a chart with a missing element, we often are looking at the chart of someone who is a genius in relationship to what that element signifies. For example, many people with no Air are known for their expertise in communications or writing -- Wm. F. Buckley and Charles Dickens.

Wm. J. Clinton has no Water; he could be a genius at manipulating the mass consciousness, a master of the emotional level (water). He does have a Moon singleton in the 8th house, as well as Neptune (along with Venus and Mars in Libra) conjunct the Asc. Those two things (Moon singleton and Neptune on the Asc) would give the public the impression of emotional empathy as well as security and glamour.

The absence of Water indicates a "hidden Grand Trine in Water." The absence of an element (in your case, Water) can indicate that you are a master manipulator, totally in denial about your feelings, you project your feelings onto others (i.e. "women are so emtional!"), over-do the emotions, or go into a profession wherein you can sublimate your emotions -- psychiatry -- "let's deal with your emotional issues!" Many wonderful psychologists and psychiatrists have no Water. I, who have no Air, once said to my psychiatrist, who had no Water, "What does a swamp say to a desert?"

I hope the above is helpful." http://www.astrologyclub.org/askArchives05.htm

"The great beauty of astrology is the enormous insight it can give by keeping to the simplicity of just pIanets, signs, houses, and aspects. Look at both what is there and what is not there in the natal chart, for what is not there is equally as powerful an influence as what is. So: how do we begin to determine which planets dominate the chart? How do we evaluate the power of what is not there? What stands out as peculiar and unique in each chart? What strikes the eye?
The DOMINANT FUNCTION in the chart is indicated by where the most energy is collected and the INFERIOR FUNCTION is where there is the least or none at all. The dominant function is where we feel most natural, comfortable, at home; we take the talents and abilities associated with it for granted. It is easy and natural. Therefore, it may not be a source of great motivation. The inferior function comes into play when we are under stress, when we have to cope, when we feel out of our element. This can be a source of great motivation and creative expression. But, there is a trickster quality about it; it is there when least expected. It undermines the dominant function. Suddenly, all the gifts, talents, achievements can be wiped out! The rug is pulled out from under the comfortable, habitual way of being and interacting. The inferior function manifests in embarrassing and inappropriate ways.

The SINGLETON is one of two types of inferior functions. Singletons show up as one-of-a-kind in one or more categories; by modality, element, orientation by sign and house, or as the only planet in one hemisphere. In whatever way a planet is a singleton, it is equally important. The more times it is a singleton, the more it is emphasized, and the more highly focused it tends to be in the psychology and in the life. The energy of the singleton planet, the quality of the sign and house in which it is posited and the house(s) it rules are all highlighted. A singleton is both the "runt of the litter" and the "pig of the litter." It can demand nearly all of a person's psychic energy, starving the dominant function.

People tend to handle their inferior functions through one or more of the following psychological defense mechanisms:

DENIAL - "I don't know what you are talking about!" Rage is the first symptom of denial.
REPRESSION/SUPPRESSION - "I know what it is, but I do not do it!" Such as, "I may feel angry, but I stuff it.
PROJECTION - "The other does it," or "S/He/They make me do it!" Blame is the name of the game --not taking personal responsibility; so is falling in love or in hate.
SUBLIMATION - "I'm not doing it, I'm writing a book about it," or "I'll help you deal with it in your life." Therapists make their livelihood doing this.
OVERCOMPENSATION - "That's all I do!" "I make a very good living doing it," or, "That's all I can ever think about!
Our culture rewards the overcompensators ("achievers") and the sublimators. They are the success stories. The average person tends to go along denying, repressing and projecting his highly charged issues until a catastrophic crisis comes along. Then, and only then, he may change his modus operandi with respect to it.

As examples of the different ways a MOON singleton can function, let's look at the Moon in Taurus singletons in The charts of Bill Clinton, Monica Lewinsky and Ken Starr. Keep an mind that a Taurus Moon is nourished by all things sensually attractive and pleasurable: food, sex, music, and money, to list a few. Taurus is a personal sign; therefore, MY pleasure, MY nurturance, MY money is sought. Taurus wants to be touched, stroked and held, to be given things of beauty or value. Pleasures of the mouth, food, drink, oral sex gratification are quite Taurian.

(Look at charts of Bill Clinton, Monica Lewinsky, Ken Starr, Hillary Clinton)

Clinton's Moon is the only Earth, and the only social house planet. It is in the eighth house and rules the tenth, his career. In a man's chart, the Moon tends to be projected on women and sometimes on children. A singleton exaggerates this tendency. Men who have not accepted and integrated their lunar qualities will look for women who will actualize them. The women he has allegedly been involved with are quite Venusian, Aphrodite-like, voluptuous, beautiful in a slightly "trashy" way. Aphrodite never denies her sensuality, rather flaunts it. An eighth house moon seeks nurturance through sex, breaking sexual taboos, power/powerlessness and risk-taking. This twice-singleton Moon points to addictive tendencies: sex addict, workaholic, adrenaline junkie who creates crises for himself. The inner child (Taurus) gets nurturance and parenting through its opposite sign, Scorpio, his wife's Sun, Mercury, Venus sign. He seems to enjoy coming back, pulling himself up from or out of the crises he creates, a Scorpio/8th house quality. In the Lewinsky affair, he was at first in denial, at least publicly, and perhaps he even believed it was not sexual. Now, projection seems to be going on as he seems to indicate that she pursued him, the "I only did it because she made me do it," routine.

Monica's Moon is her only Earth sign planet. As a woman with a Venus-ruled Libra ascendant, she identifies herself with the Aphrodite archetype. She not only likes to eat good food and drink fine wine, she sees herself as an alluring, seductive and sexually irresistible "vamp." By her own admission, she likes to seduce older, married men for the sense of power it gives her. She is definitely over-compensating lunar issues. She was attracted to the "little boy" in Clinton, his Taurus Moon; she wrote Bill "I want to see you in bed with a winning lottery ticket in one hand and a can of whipped cream in the other" - very Taurian! She thought they were "sexual soul-mates," and she was right-on about that. They knew how to give each other exactly what was desired because it was their own need, too. She is also the needy, wounded child, still very dependent on a scheming mother and her family in general. It was an older woman "friend" a mother-substitute, who "did her in" just as transiting Uranus in Aquarius squared her natal Moon.

Ken Starr has his Taurus Moon as a singleton for it is the only planet in a personal house, the fourth. It rules his eighth house of power, taboos, secrets, sex, and other people's money (U.S. taxpayers!). Something was peculiar about his relationship with his mother and his early upbringing which he would probably deny. His Moon is also at 0 degrees, very naive and childish. Much of what he does with his lunar qualities may be hidden from the public, known only to his nearest and dearest. Outwardly he sublimates and projects. He wrote a book, the report to Congress, largely pornographic, dealing with other people's sexual activities. He spent huge sums of money (Taurus) doing his investigation, and doubtless got paid enormous sums for it. Some overcompensation on the money issue, at least. We suspect he denies and represses his own lascivious urges, yet is obsessed with those who indulge such inclinations - perhaps he is envious, jealous.

We can see in these three singleton Moons in Taurus what incredible power and psychic energy can be consumed in their processes. The whole U.S.A. seems to have been sucked into the maelstrom. Note, the U.S. chart shows only two outer planets in Earth signs, Neptune in Virgo and Pluto in Capricorn. As a collective, we tend to do weird things with the Earth element -rape of the natural environment, obsess on money and business, fear of and fascination with sex, and we have more obese people than any other Western country! The Clinton, Lewinsky, Starr affair plus the U.S.A. adds up to a marriage made in hell, 'where' depends on your own perspective and perception.

Absent Functions

Let's now look at the second type of Inferior Function: the Absent Function. That happens when there are no planets in an element, modality or orientation. When there are no planets in an element, there is a hidden grand trine; and when there are no planets in a modality, there is a hidden grand square. Both grand trines and grand squares, obvious or "hidden," are closed systems. The person lives in his own self-created world and is inaccessible to others along the lines of the element or modality that is involved. He tends unconsciously to block out relationships in the area of the major configurations. For example, a grand trine in fire, either present of hidden, can bring great luck and taken-for-granted skill in areas of creativity and visionary intuition. As a closed system, other people cannot hook into the person's dramatic and passionate world. It is a place within his psyche where he is complete within himself and does not need relationships. In this area, at least, he is self-fulfilled. The difference between the grand trine and the hidden grand trine is this: the first expresses with a natural easiness and grace, with nonchalance, while the absent grand trine comes up with urgency, intensity and passion. For example, Beethoven had no water; his music is intense and soul wrenching in its passion; Liszt had a grand trine in water and his music flows with ease, feeling and romance.

The grand square when present in aspects between planets in the four signs of the same modality tends to manifest as great energy and stability. People who found organizations or movements, like Mao Tsetung and J. Donald Walters (Kriyananda), have grand squares. Their downfall may come through their inability to receive or accept input from others that seems to contradict or criticize their ideas or ideologies. A hidden grand square, for example, Mick Jagger's hidden cardinal square, often is overcompensated. Although Jagger has no planets in cardinal signs, he nonetheless seems to be a perpetual motion machine.

The absent function manifests psychologically most often in two ways. It is a source of great creativity, and it tends to be so in terms of overcompensation. A person with a missing element or modality is likely to be an overachiever in terms of the element or modality. He may be rather obsessed, driven to do something creative with it. The other response is to let the absent function become the source of the shadow, that repressed part of the self that is a source of great annoyance when it is encountered in other people. For example, a man with no occupied water signs may find himself inordinately offended or upset by emotional, sentimental weeping people, especially women or ethnic minorities whose culture permits much more emotional expressiveness than his mainstream standards allow. Bill Clinton has no water sign planets, yet he has a Singleton Moon and Neptune on  the Ascendant.  Many Americans like him because he has "soul" and "rhythm";  they feel he identifies with them with great sensitivity and compassion. Pain enduring and pain inflicting are also associated with the water element. We as a nation have had a year of pain and passion as a result of the Clinton soap opera.

The absent function tends to be all on or completely shut down. There is an extremist quality about it. Among the famous people with no fire are the flamboyant actors, Rudolph Valentino and John Berrymore. Writers and intellectuals like William F. Buckley and Oliver Wendel Holms often have no air in their charts. No water shows up in the charts of poets and composers. Water/emotion tends to be repressed in Western culture and the lack of it may show up as a tendency toward cruelty due to lack of awareness of another's feelings, and combined with denial and projection, one may blame one's own pain on others, then inflict it on them. Hitler had no Water. A lack of earth can produce a millionaire like J. Paul Getty, as well as substance abusers like Judy Garland and Dylan Thomas. Missing earth also gives a tendency towards abstraction. The charts of great modern astrologers, Marc Edmund Jones, Dane Rudhyar and Robert Hand are waterless.

When the absent function appears on the Ascendant or the Midheaven, the persona, personal or public, tends to overcompensate; it is all façade. Often it is a case of false advertising: what you see is not what you get when you take the package home and unwrap it! Marilyn Monroe, with her Taurus Midheaven, is a good example. The public image she projected was the sex goddess. Inside she was air and water, all ideas, thoughts and emotions, with no way of "grounding" herself. In my own practice, I have noticed people with a missing function represented by the Ascendant sign to be very frustrated and uneasy. They may identify totally with the Ascendant personality and feel hollow inside, or feel that they have to put out a lot of energy to keep up the false front and, therefore, can never completely express who they really are.

When dealing with a chart that has missing functions, it is important to look at the progressed planets and the outer planet transits. For example, a person with no air may have a progressed Sun in an air sign, at the same time outer planets may be transiting another air sign. That would be a time for the person to really use his or her hidden talents and experiment with communication, writing, speaking, relationships and group involvements. It is also important to look at the person's relationships, especially family relationships that we do not consciously choose. For example, a woman with no fire was born into a family with a double Sagittarius (Sun and Moon) father, a double Leo (Sun and Moon) sister and a mother with an Aries Moon as part of a grand fire trine! She had to learn very early to overcompensate along dramatic, creative lines just to survive in that volatile household. Bill Clinton, with no water, has a water sign daughter (Pisces) and wife (Scorpio Sun and Pisces Moon). That is a case, perhaps, of "let Jane do it," of projecting his own unexpressed emotional qualities on female family members.

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posted April 23, 2012 10:39 AM            

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Thanks for your kind words Maureen. You have mercury in the 12th House. I will put some articles up about 12th House planets. Many things are not "our faults". We were born with our charts. We were born with many of our particular hardships. Some people may start to get angry now and think I am trying to make excuses. I am not. This is my opinion as an Astrology student. The charts will help you to accept yourself. Self acceptance is the best present you can give yourself! xx

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posted April 23, 2012 10:46 AM            

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hey ami u know i remember Kannon mentioning something about there being no singletons and voids because they have parallels. i understand how it works for the singleton but not for the element voids. maybe he aspects the house cusps i dunno.

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I don't understand parallels, Sand. I would love to learn but I have so many new things to learn that I have to prioritize! xx

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posted April 23, 2012 11:04 AM            

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I don't understand parallels, Sand. I would love to learn but I have so many new things to learn that I have to prioritize! xx

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Me too! I have a double singleton, with one planet in Capricorn and that being my only cardinal sign:s

posted April 23, 2012 11:06 AM            

This seems to be an omnipresent question. It may be said or left, unsaid. The song by Maria Mena, “Just Hold Me”, seems to haunt all of us, but the 12th House Planet natives know it, deeply. Others may feel raw and amorphous, but the 12th House person swims in it, struggling not to go under, to the bottom of the sea, as did Sedna. The 12th House experience is very different than any other. They are the demi aliens living among us. They are the poets and the artists. If they do not write and sing from their pain, they have special gifts with which to use their sensitivity. They can go into a hospice and hold the hand of a dying patient. They know the next dimension.If Mother Teresa was not a 12th House person, her work was.

To define the problem is fine, but that slithers around the answer. What is one to do? The first step seems to truly acknowledge your 12th House Planets:to study them in depth. Know who you are, as you cannot run. They are part of you. Only a Higher Authority knows why some charts are harder than others. That answer is unknowable.However, God has given us our personal maps:the astrological charts. Hence, for the 12th House person, he must understand who he is. He must try not to be ashamed of how he is different. He cannot bear an itchy sweater, while another sign could wear it all day. Hence, the first step is to stop trying to be like others: non 12th House people.

Then, one must find someone to whom one can tell the pain, as there will be valleys of sorrow. I don’t know how the sorrow came. It came differently for different people, but the 12th House person carries it. He may seem as if he does not. He may smile or swagger, but it is there. A sensitive person can pick it up. The 12th House person is holding a wound, just as real as a solider holding a war wound, trying to constrict it so as to stop the bleeding.The 12th House person feels set apart from others. The hardest part of all this is finding a person who can bear the pain with you, and not try to fix. You know all the fix’s. You have tried them all, to no avail. That is part of the omnipresent hopelessness which is part of the existence for a 12th House person.

The 12th House person tends to depression. Much of this is the internal isolation. Finding a person who will help you bear your sorrow will help. The hardest part for the other person is to resist the urge to fix, mitigate or make better in any way.It cannot be made better.It can only be released. That is the best way another person can help. They need to shut their mouths and let you cry. It sounds so easy, but few people can do it. You may be surprised, but it is true. Alice Miller brought the concept of the Enlightened Witness to the fore. Actually, if society was not so isolated, the EW may have been an aunt or a grandparent, in days past, when the family was closer. Now, intimacy is rare. Intimacy is one of the cures for 12th House planets. However, intimacy is a problem on it’s own, as the native has to be vulnerable. How can one be vulnerable when there is so much pain that the touch of another may be like fire? This is the conundrum.

God takes relationships very seriously, as He made Adam so He, Himself, would have a friend. As complete as God was, He wanted someone with whom to share. That is an amazing concept, but highlights the importance of relationships. As flawed as we are, there is nothing as special as someone seeing you. Intimacy is “In-To-Me-See”. How hard it is for us to, even, see ourselves, let alone show oneself to another. The 12th House person has more miles to go in the process of seeing himself, as it is harder for him. He wants to run away. He may get into addictions, as addictions are pain killers. The addictions may take him down. They may take him to the bottom of himself, or the bottom of life, itself, into death. The 12th House person cannot escape himself. Others have tried. I have more to say on this subject, but will take a break, as the last thing I want to do is give platitudes on a subject which has had platitudes thrown at it until it wants to vomit.

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posted April 23, 2012 11:07 AM            

I have been haunted by a song. What is the song trying to say? Why is it so haunting? To what does it speak? I think it is a 12th House song. The 12th House hurts so badly, because the person yearns, but cannot seem to get what he yearns for. It seems he cannot act in his own behalf. He swims in the waters of Pisces, wanting and yearning, yet not being able to make his dreams become reality. That seems to be the legacy of 12th house planets.I seem to be doing many charts with 12th house planets.How does one put in to words, the feeling of living in an alternate reality? Non 12th House people do not understand. The 12th House person is a sort of alien. He feels things more deeply. He feels pain more deeply. Rejection hits him deeper. In that sense, he is living in a world within a world. Music can speak where words fail. Does this song speak to your 12th House reality? It speaks to mine.

Pleas Listen to Maria Mena—Just Hold Me

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posted April 23, 2012 11:07 AM            

I was thinking about this, in terms of my chart. I have Ruler of the 5th in the 12th.I lost a child. The 5th is the House of Children.It’s Ruler travels to the 12th, the House of Sorrow, as was it’s old name. Does anyone have a House Ruler in the 12th House? If so, please tell me from which House it came and what you have experienced. This would apply to people with 12th House planets, only.

A lovely woman in one of my Astrology Study Groups allowed me to use her name and to bring you part of her story, related to the Ruler of the 5th House in the 12th House. Gisele Matthews is her name . Here is what she wrote: You know, the ruler of my 5th is in the 12th which is why I chose to never have children.. I did have two abortions when I was in my early 20′s. I had to have them, as I was on heavy medication at the time that would have caused a deformed fetus. And yes, it was very sad.

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posted April 23, 2012 11:14 AM            

At any rate, have I seen your chart? I can't remember lol

But--it is important to really study the 12th House planet as it is one of the main parts of any chart and any life imho

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posted April 23, 2012 11:22 AM            

This would be the gist of a 12th House Mercury. Can you relate, Matureen?

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posted April 23, 2012 11:53 AM            

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The Ruler of Another House Residing in the Twelfth —–Does it Indicate Sorrow in the House from which the House Ruler Came?
By amiann | Published: February 19, 2012 |

I was thinking about this, in terms of my chart. I have Ruler of the 5th in the 12th.I lost a child. The 5th is the House of Children.It’s Ruler travels to the 12th, the House of Sorrow, as was it’s old name. Does anyone have a House Ruler in the 12th House? If so, please tell me from which House it came and what you have experienced. This would apply to people with 12th House planets, only.

A lovely woman in one of my Astrology Study Groups allowed me to use her name and to bring you part of her story, related to the Ruler of the 5th House in the 12th House. Gisele Matthews is her name . Here is what she wrote: You know, the ruler of my 5th is in the 12th which is why I chose to never have children.. I did have two abortions when I was in my early 20′s. I had to have them, as I was on heavy medication at the time that would have caused a deformed fetus. And yes, it was very sad.

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