posted April 27, 2012 12:14 AM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
Sun is 11 degrees Sag, in the second Decan (Aries)
ASC is 20 degrees Aries, in the last Decan (Sagittarius)
Venus is 29 degrees Scorpio, in the last Decan (Cancer)

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Hi Xiiro,

I was pleasantly delighted to find that you are male. I don't know why I was under the impression that you were female. Perhaps because I would never expect another male to compose such an in-depth response, or perhaps because I don't know any other male Venus in Scorpios in my personal life. In any event, it's great news! I can now resonate wholeheartedly.

A lot of what you write is uncannily similar to how I feel. Some of your sentences leave me speechless as to how descriptive they are of my nature. It can't only be attributed to our mutual Venus in Scorpio.... Interesting that your Sun is at 11º Sagittarius. The midpoint of my Mercury-Mars conjunction is 11º Sagittarius, and my Moon directly opposes that at 11º Gemini.

Thank you for articulating in words what I could not:

"As for free blow jobs in rush hour, you know that wasn't a lie. That Scorpio just wants to climb into the guts of anything it finds beautiful and that includes random strangers. It is specifically annoying when I see someone in media (though I generally don't get attracted to celebrities for some reason). It has even happened to me with a well drawn cartoon. There is this sad longing that I know will never be satiated, because the object of my lust is a fictitious image."

Now that I know you are male, it raises new questions....

You speak of alluring males... is it men that are openly gay or bisexual that are pursuing you? Or are self-proclaimed straight men so taken by you that they risk being ousted? Are you traditionally masculine, feminine, or somewhere in between? It would be telling as to why they feel so comfortable coming onto you.

Personally, like I said, I would identify as bisexual if I had to. I don't like labels, though. I've only ever had relationships with females, because I don't think I'd be satisfied by a male in the longterm. Don't get me wrong- it's sexually stimulating for me to be with both males and females, it's just that outside of sex, a male-male romantic relationship doesn't offer me much.

Anyway, in terms of male-male attraction... I first became aware of my influence on other men when I was around 12. It sounds twisted in retrospect, but there a school administrator when I was in 8th grade who would "flirt" with me and constantly call me into his office... and his desire for me was very palpable. He would often sit me on his lap as he asked some question he obviously knew the question to about computers.... He would call me pretty etc etc. I was sexually attracted to him too (very masculine, buff, married man), but a part of my 12 year-old self knew it was wrong to JUST GO WITH IT. Plus, I had a "girlfriend" at the time who I had puppy love for. It was definitely the first time I was made aware of my attraction to men, though. Afterwards, as a freshman in high school, a bunch of "jocks" would come onto me. This was very peculiar to me, because these were presumably "straight" guys who for some reason or another wanted their way with me. It was also peculiar because I was what you'd call masculine and athletic, and really didn't intentionally send any sexual vibes their way.

To this day, I always capture male attention, specifically older men, age 25-45. It's always men who are either married (to women) or who don't traditionally identify as gay but enjoy male sex. AKA men who'd never think were attracted to other men. I didn't come to this "bisexual" conclusion of mine until I gave it a go with a few of these propositions and actually thoroughly enjoyed it. In my eyes, we all just ought to enjoy one another. I certainly don't pay any mind to labels like "straight", "gay", etc.

I had an on-again off-again relationship with a girlfriend throughout high school. I loved sex with her- she had a packed 8th House in Leo. When we were on breaks though, a guy at my school who was 3 years older than me would flock like a bee to honey. We would have sex all the time (me, 14 at he time, he 17) and it was great. I think I like that with males, it's NSA. I invest much more emotion when it comes to women.

posted April 27, 2012 02:43 AM            

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Originally posted by alaz7200:
Hi Xiiro,......BTW what is the rest of your chart like?

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Here is the whole of my chart:

Regarding my outward appearance, when I am at ease my feminine nature becomes apparent. Generally I am just a tall guy with a shaved head, a beard, tattoos, and piercings. Being ASC in Aries, my projected self can come off severe and masculine. People tend to express surprise at how nice I am once they have an opportunity to get to know me, and even admit to having been afraid or intimidated by me (Pluto opposed ASC). It is also not rare for strangers to express surprise at discovering I am gay, however those who do know me well laugh at those people with disbelief.

Regarding the people I attract.... every kind of person imaginable. From gay men (who seem to be attracted to me as a protector), bisexual guys (who seem to be attracted to my androgynous nature), to straight guys (who tend to me attracted to my ability to connect with them in a gentle and feminine way, but still be a buddy), to questioning guys (who generally just want to bone a boy), to hetero transgender guys (who are attracted to my feminine nature), to homo trans guys (who seem to like me because I don't freak out over the fact that they have female genitals, but still see them as a man), to lesbians (who seem to love treating me like a lipstick lesbian), to bisexual women (who seem to get really excited over the fact that I am a gay guy who actually enjoys heterosexual sex), to hetero women (who seem to like me because I am a man who is capable of comprehending their feminine nature). I have never been around a transgendered female long enough to know if they are attracted.

I was sexually active from a young age. My mom tells me that when I was a baby I used to make out all day with her friend's baby, whenever they came over (they thought it was cute). By 3rd grade I had sexually experimented with any kid I could get to duck behind a building or tree. I was also messing around will all of my regular friends, maintained 3 regular boyfriends, and kept up a weekly girlfriend rotation. I lost my virginity to a guy when I was 10. He was the same age and apparently straight, but I turned him into my boyfriend. We attended a christian school, and used to fool around in class (we were kind of adrenalin junkies). By 6th grade, I was making friends with guys at school, just to take them home and have sex with them. I also dated girls, but never pushed sex (I considered it disrespectful). I met my first long term in 6th grade and we maintained an open friendship/relationship through our 20's. By freshman year, I would place bets with my friends to see how long it took me to have sex with the jock of their choosing. By sophomore year, I moved to a totally new school in a completely different city, but slowly started screwing whoever I had my eye on. I even dragged a guy and his girlfriend to the roof of the school and had sex with both of them there.

I had my first long-term relationship with a girl when I was 15 and lost my hetero virginity to her. She pretended to be bisexual because she thought it would make me like her more, but that eventually lead to our break up (had I known she was heterosexual, I would have loved her just as much). I messed around with a lot more jocks, geeks, freaks, and stoners, as well as random girls (but girls were never a challenge, so it was less frequent). I was a gymnast at the time, so my body was tall and lean. I wore a lot of black, pierced my tongue, lip, and ears, had long black hair, pale skin, and occasionally wore eyeliner if I was in the mood (this was the 90's before emo kids existed). I enjoyed being a freak, but I was socially skilled and whenever I hung out with people we always had a blast, so nobody hated me. I was never bullied because the bullies were all secretly messing around with me, and if someone did threaten, there was always a bigger guy who would step in. It was like I could get into their head and change my pheromone pattern to whatever they found most delicious... and it was a real power trip. Each guy required a totally different approach, and interaction, but I never had to change my core personality. I just smiled and talked to him and by the end of the night I was wrapped in his arms, looking up at the stars, and talking about his fears or dreams. I used to **** off my female friends when they would reveal a crush on a guy and I would respond with a description of his dick and a report of how he was in bed. LOL

Senior year I was kicked out of my house and lived on the streets for about a year. I used my skills to make sure I had food and shelter the whole time. When I was able to get out of that situation, I put myself through massage school, and transformed the sexual energy into deep transformative connection (no happy endings unfortunately, only professional healing work). From that time, I have been pretty hands-off in pursuing relationships or sex. Regardless of where I go, there is always someone who gravitates toward me with an intention beyond friendship. For a while I used to play with the tension and see how long I could stretch it out before they tried to get me drunk and jump my bones. It is a real defense mechanism though, being in control all the time. And a very Scorpio trait.

Generally people don't feel that risk of being discovered or that feeling of taboo with me, because I take great pains to make them feel safe. I have always maintained an energy of "Whatever you feel comfortable doing I will help you do". You may be amazed however, all the things people will do when they feel comfortable hehe. I also never put much weight in gender or preference labels (mostly because they hold little weight in my own paradigm), but respect a person's right to adhere to their own. Therefor I respect a guy's declaration of heterosexuality, but don't make him feel weird for wanting to cross the line if things lead in that direction. Like you, I believe people should be enjoyed in any way they feel comfortable, regardless of the labels we drape around our neck every morning.

posted April 27, 2012 05:34 AM            

she was a 24/7 flirt, to the point at where it was cringworthy. i used to think " i feel sorry for whoever her bf is with the way she acts". but it turned out that when she got with someone officially, she was so obsessed with him that if she did actually cheat on him i would have been genuinely surprised; she was all consumed.

i had a friend with venus in scorp (libra sun) she was just the same but with a more palatable flirt (could be the libra)

however, i once knew a libra sun with venus in scorpio (mars cap) and she was dedicated to her bf, but before the relationship came to a nasty end and she ended up having an affair with a work colleague.

posted April 27, 2012 09:13 PM            

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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
I'm so glad that you said that, because I feel like that too, but have always felt like I was being arrogant or a snob. I feel relieved that someone else with Venus in Scorpio feels as I do.

Actually, come to think of it, I'm the reverse of your sun and ASC. I'm a Libra sun with a Sagittarius ASC.

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Ironic how eerily similar we are. It's surely due in part to the reverse Sagittarius/Libra energy we share, in addition the Venus in Scorpio. I wonder, if we met in real-life, would we be friends? I ask, if nothing else, because I don't seem to meet people like me (in the ways you described) in real life- only online, if ever. This also makes me wonder if we would consider each other worthy or unworthy of one another's attention, so to speak.

There is definitely an "elitist" quality to Venus in Scorpio. Not so much in the material sense (though this very may well be the case), but in a spiritual sense; contingent upon how developed someone's spirit is, or how much potential they have to advance their spirit. I say "spirit" because I think inherent in every Venus in Scorpio individual is the ability to look past gender, sexual orientation, race, etc. (Any variable that separates)

Because we're so attuned to sex AKA "creative life force", we are able to understand EVERYONE on a primitive level. In other words, there is never an instance in which I feel I cannot understand another person, nor that I have nervous jitters or social anxiety. Venus is Scorpio pierces through all those superficial facades and comes face-to-face with the core of another person. For this reason, we may be a pill to swallow to others who prefer to live life behind a mask or who have a surplus of inhibitions/insecurities. Venus in Scorpio sniffs out these superficialities like a police dog on a murder scene.

posted April 27, 2012 09:22 PM            

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Originally posted by alaz7200:
Loyal or promiscuous? You tell me.

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Hmm... I have Gemini on the Descendant, Mars in the 8th opposite Uranus - which I've heard is a 'divorce aspect', dun dun dunnn! -, Moon trine Uranus, AND I have Venus sextile Uranus soooo... yeah. -.-

But, at the same time, with Scorpio Venus my feelings run very deeply and I hate being betrayed when someone means a lot to me. I also cannot easily forget someone else without feeling a deep pain... like I have done something intense and irreversible. I just take emotional experiences a lot more seriously than some people I know do. I think A LOT of Scorpionic people are like this, hence there will be a lesser chance of promiscuity.

True, I have some issues with being 'tied down' and feeling emotionally trapped, but I'm usually pretty honest about it and won't hide things like that from those I trust. I think Scorpio Venus can be pretty damn loyal when the circumstances are right... and take it very hard when connections have to be cut for better or for worse.

But DON'T double-cross me, or you'll suffer from my psycho venom. 'Nuff said. (✿◠‿◠ ))

posted April 27, 2012 09:26 PM            

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Originally posted by alaz7200:
I also believe the Neptune/Pisces influence makes me more submissive in sex, more alluring and desiring of another's attention and adoration, as opposed to the "predator" so often synonymous with Scorpio- I am more the "prey".

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posted April 27, 2012 09:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:

Here is the whole of my chart:

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Wow, Xirro, your candor is very much appreciated. I love the way you articulate all of your proclivities and experiences. They definitely make me feel as though I'm not alone in a world of people I feel ought to 'dig deeper' and 'transcend barriers'. This, I feel, is the essence of Venus in Scorpio. Because I resonate with so many of the experiences you've shared, I'd feel it safe to conclude that there is a quality to Venus in Scorpio that tempts others to succumb to their secret desires (namely, sexcapades with the opposite sex); we just kind of become the vehicle to bringing that taboo to the forefront of their sexual appetite.

My earliest memory of sex was walking in on my mother and father "showering" together when I was 4. When I was 5, I saw "Titanic" and would talk to any and everyone about how I, "Saw Jack sex Rose in the car!!!" (I recently watched a home video in which I plague the cameraman with many, many sexually-charged precocious questions.)

I conclude from your shadings that you are indeed able to separate "love" from "sex", as two entirely different entities? I myself can do so perfectly well, but other Venus in Scorpios I've known have been adamant that the two should be one in the same. I agree with the "need to control" is a defense mechanism, and a negative one at that, but is there any particular reason you feel you resort(ed) to that need to control? Was there a traumatic instance during your early childhood during which you felt completely OUT of control, or that someone you loved controlled you with THEIR love?

10 years of celibacy is remarkable. I don't know that I could ever pursue that, but that's probably my Libra AC speaking- my constant need for adoration, attention and approval. I, too, have a lot of Aries/Sagittarius/Leo energy in my chart, though. Interesting that we share the 11º of the Sagittarius/Gemini axis. Perhaps there is something to be said for that? Also, taking a look at your chart, we've got a ton of other degrees in common: my Jupiter is at 11º Virgo, my Mars at 15º Sagittarius, Uranus at 12º Capricorn, my Chiron at 11º Leo, and my AC at 16º Libra. I've had a few UNFORGETTABLE sexcapades with people whose Pluto is at 16º Libra, a.k.a. exactly conjunct my AC. They were obviously 10-15 years my senior, but they were chance encounters that really caught me off guard; they were really overwhelmingly ecstatic for both parties involved.

Funny you should mention androgyny. I'm always told how "beautifully androgynous" I look, which I honestly don't know how to take. I suppose the inner is reflected in the outer; as you said, I'm very 50/50, in touch with both my feminine and masculine sides. I've always been called "cute", "pretty", "sexy", etc. -I don't get "handsome" (traditionally masculine terminology) too much- but I always attributed this to my Venusian Libra AC. However, perhaps this is due in part Venus in Scorpio!

I wonder, do you look "Scorpio" at all? Venus in supposed to indicate physical attractiveness, so I wonder... I personally have the strong, arched Scorpio eyebrows, shoulder length (naturally) jet-black hair and what have been described as "piercing" and "limpid" blue eyes with many specs. Very Scorpio looking, until I smile and/or engage in conversation, after which my dimples and engaging Libra nature become apparent.

posted April 27, 2012 11:06 PM            

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Originally posted by alaz7200:

1.) I conclude from your shadings that you are indeed able to separate "love" from "sex", as two entirely different entities?

2.) I agree with the "need to control" is a defense mechanism, and a negative one at that, but is there any particular reason you feel you resort(ed) to that need to control? Was there a traumatic instance during your early childhood during which you felt completely OUT of control, or that someone you loved controlled you with THEIR love?

3). I wonder, do you look "Scorpio" at all?

4.)How do you think the Cancer sub influence plays out, if at all?

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1.) On the contrary, I feel as though I have tiny relationships with even the most casual of partners. Having Pluto conj NN in the 6th makes me feel as if it is my life's calling to serve others in a genuinely relatable way. That conjunction is sextile Sun/Neptune in the 8th, so one of the most accessible avenues for accomplishing that service is seeking out the deep individuality of a person and loving it unconditionally. Fortunately I'm a Sag, so I perceive nothing odd about falling in love with a person for a night, and then falling in love with someone different the next day. HAha

People are very beautiful to me, I get the same feeling exploring other people as I do staring at nebulae (even people who annoy me... I just marvel at the whole concept of being annoying and annoyance quickly melts into pondering the pain which caused them to adopt those traits).

2.) Having Pluto so active in my chart manifests as a theme of "control based" learning experiences. To my knowledge nothing bad happened to me directly. My mother is a Cancer (Aries Moon) and father is a Scorpio, so I grew up under a deluge of water. Mother was raised among 3 other sisters and there was a lot of backstabbing in order to gain an alpha position. She had to be crafty growing up and I was definitely raised by a crafty Cancer. Father was sexually and emotionally abused through his childhood. His biological father was a sexual abuser and he was also sexually abused by every boyfriend his mom brought home. My dad ended up sexually and/or physically abusing all my siblings but me (my mom would have killed him). I think being such a sensitive baby, I just kind of absorbed my parent's issues and ran with them. Growing up I was told I was great, talented, special, and wanted (often at the expense of my siblings). When my parents divorced, my siblings all moved away, my dad became preoccupied with church, and my mom married a 19 year old guy who freaked out if she showed me affection. So there were always power struggles, backhanded strategies, and covert operations... very Plutonian. Eventually I was just left alone to raise my self... which I think turned out to be the best option in the long run LOL.

3). I think I look mostly Aries. I am Irish, so I have that pale plutonian complexion, but coppery blonde hair and blue eyes. I think the real Scorpio/Pluto give away for me is my eyes. They are a steely grey/blue and they just kinda grab people until I let them go. I have perfected the art of expressing one thing with my face and a completely different thing with my eyes, but when I am not being intentional, my eyes always show what is going on inside. If I meet someone who I just do not like, my face may smile, but my eyes will express disgust. If I think someone is cute.... well, lets just say it's best if I don;t make eye contact LOL. Stupid eyes...

posted April 27, 2012 11:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
Interesting point. I find when I play passive I attract more people, but I never feel ACTUALLY passive. The first time I saw this picture, I thought "Yep... it's like that".
http://cdnimg.visualizeus.com/thumbs/8f/d5/insect,i ntercourse,scorpion,sex,zoophilia-8fd563097e9cafe4516510f04c47f28c_h.jpg

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Hah, oddly, that picture is a turn-on. What exactly do you resonate with? The fact that the Scorpion is being submissive, yet actually has the upper hand by virtue of its stinger situated where it is?

posted April 27, 2012 11:28 PM            

Do you find you have a certain type? I for one am definitely attracted to the stereotypical Scorpio.

Females are all dark-haired, RARELY blonde, usually olive-complected, most with very intense eyes and with an air of secrecy. The more of a challenge they present, the better. I am pretty damn particular, though.

posted April 28, 2012 01:11 AM            

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Originally posted by alaz7200:
Hah, oddly, that picture is a turn-on. What exactly do you resonate with? The fact that the Scorpion is being submissive, yet actually has the upper hand by virtue of its stinger situated where it is?

Also- I failed to ask earlier.... what about my Venus/Pluto conjunction in the 2nd House would make it more difficult to control?

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Do you find you have a certain type? I for one am definitely attracted to the stereotypical Scorpio.

Females are all dark-haired, RARELY blonde, usually olive-complected, most with very intense eyes and with an air of secrecy. The more of a challenge they present, the better. I am pretty damn particular, though.

Males can range from light to dark features, but they must be extremely masculine and brooding. My standards are definitely higher when it comes to females.

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That is exactly what resonates with me in that picture.

Venus/Pluto in the 2nd could add some difficulty because:
1. Venus is in it's sign of detriment, located in the house of its fall.
2. Pluto is in the house of its fall.

In human terms, "Scorpio/Pluto/8th House" all deal with hidden, subtle, and intangible concepts. "Venus/Taurus/2nd House" are all involved with apparent, material, and tangible concepts. Pluto in the 8th (for example) is capable of functioning without much restriction, because the personal 8th house manifests as the private space where external experiences effect or impress upon us (its the raw unfiltered part of us that is changed forever by our experiences). Pluto likes being there, because when experiences effect us, Pluto doesn't have to jump through any hoops to deal with those problems.

Pluto in the 2nd house can feel a bit restricted, because the personal 2nd house manifests as our capacity for defining, qualifying, and appreciating the world as our physical senses process it. In the 2nd house, we create patterns like "This object is fuzzy, I like fuzzy, I should acquire more fuzzy objects so I can experience fuzzy often.... I am therefor a person who likes fuzzy!". When Pluto is here, its medium for expression is sensual or material. If Pluto wants the native to transform, it will need to attract sensual or object-oriented experiences which eventually lead to transformation. It may be more difficult for the native to benefit from experiences in a lasting, spiritual, or intangible way, because they are wired to be most effected by sensual or material experiences. This is a very good placement for sensual exploration, appreciation, and establishing a strong value system, but there is a danger of "becoming drunk with samsara". Placing too much value in experiences based on their sensual value.

posted April 28, 2012 01:47 PM            

Like I said, I don't think my Venus could get much more Scorpionic than it already is. :sigh: I wish I could be a little more "light" or airy when it comes to love and relationships. I really do. But for me, it's all or nothing.

Thinking about it a little more, *all* of my very best friends have either Venus or Mars in Scorpio. Except for one; her Venus and Mars are conjunct in Pisces. Pisces also can give up a lot and put a lot into a relationship (though their feelings are a lot more subject to change; she has a fixed moon and sun sign so I think this stabilizes her), so we can get along.

I need intensity. I need dedication. I can't have half-hearted relationships. Yes, I can be promiscuous when single, although usually I am not. I go through periods of celibacy (I hear Venus/Pluto can do that just as much as make someone "oversexed"). Even for one night stands, however, I need to feel the experience as something *more* than sex. There's a lot of emotion involved. I give a lot an expect a lot given back, too.

posted April 28, 2012 06:58 PM            

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Lol. My former roommate had venus in Scorpio. She slept with so many guys despite being in a relationship. Her boyfriend was ****** off and cheated in retaliation. Then she retaliated by sleeping with a bunch of married men. ::sigh:: such a lovely couple.

posted April 28, 2012 07:10 PM              

At the moment, I have two guys with healthy incomes who offered to marry me. Whenever I feel like it, I'll go with the one I have secretly picked out.

posted April 29, 2012 05:09 AM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
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Tiger Woods.