posted April 26, 2012 03:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
LOYAL to a T. Perfect example: Hugh Jackman!

They are only promiscuous when they are single.

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posted April 26, 2012 06:06 AM            

For example:

I fell in love with an Aquarius and we decided to jump in the car and drive until we ran out of gas and money. He did a lot of stupid things that put us in danger, I loved him, stood by him, and cleaned up after him. He made out with someone, I was pi$$ed but I stood by him. When we finally ran out of gas and money, we landed in West Virginia. I found us a place to live, and got a job. He made no effort to get a job, whined frequently because I wouldn't let him waste our money on weed every week, and accused me of sleeping with my boss. I found a way to get him weed cause it was important to him and spent hours with him reassuring him of my love, talking out his suspicions, and promising that I was not sleeping with my boss. He started flirting with a girl who lived in our building in the hopes of making me as jealous of her, as he was of my boss. I sat down with him again, tried to talk it out, and expressed how poorly I dealt with jealousy. After promising not to try to make me jealous any more, he started flirting with her after I got home from work the next day...

So far I would consider my self pretty damned loyal...

He asked me out and when I was done getting ready, he had invited the girl along. Then he invited her to sit in the front seat of the car and expected me to sit in the back. I don't know why this was the breaking point, but it was. I declined joining them and he made no effort to convince me otherwise or ask why. I went inside, packed my stuff, stopped by the biggest gossip in the neighborhood's house to tell her that we were gay (we told the neighborhood we were brothers for our safety), drove to my boss's house, screwed his brains out (even though I wasn't attracted to him), jumped on a bus, and rode back to CA. By the time he got back from his drive with her, I was gone and he was screwed.

So, I guess I can also be promiscuous. It just depends on the situation.

posted April 26, 2012 06:06 AM            

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Originally posted by popcorn:
I know cheaters with venus in scorpio.

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only happens when they feel like they're putting more effort into the relationship than the other party does, when they feel they've been betrayed somehow, when they feel they that they've just been used in the relationship, when they've been hurt so bad and hopes that by 'cheating' on their partner, it'll hurt them back, but most would prefer to hold on because their love is just too strong to let go of, when the partner gives a cold shoulder (i.e, ignores them, doesn't treat them right, doesn't show that they love them enough/back, flirts with others, no time for each other, etc.)

posted April 26, 2012 06:09 AM            

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I know cheaters with venus in scorpio.

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posted April 26, 2012 06:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
I am Venus in Scorpio and I feel as though I am capable of being both.

For example:

I fell in love with an Aquarius and we decided to jump in the car and drive until we ran out of gas and money. He did a lot of stupid things that put us in danger, I loved him, stood by him, and cleaned up after him. He made out with someone, I was pi$$ed but I stood by him. When we finally ran out of gas and money, we landed in West Virginia. I found us a place to live, and got a job. He made no effort to get a job, whined frequently because I wouldn't let him waste our money on weed every week, and accused me of sleeping with my boss. I found a way to get him weed cause it was important to him and spent hours with him reassuring him of my love, talking out his suspicions, and promising that I was not sleeping with my boss. He started flirting with a girl who lived in our building in the hopes of making me as jealous of her, as he was of my boss. I sat down with him again, tried to talk it out, and expressed how poorly I dealt with jealousy. After promising not to try to make me jealous any more, he started flirting with her after I got home from work the next day...

So far I would consider my self pretty damned loyal...

He asked me out and when I was done getting ready, he had invited the girl along. Then he invited her to sit in the front seat of the car and expected me to sit in the back. I don't know why this was the breaking point, but it was. I declined joining them and he made no effort to convince me otherwise or ask why. I went inside, packed my stuff, stopped by the biggest gossip in the neighborhood's house to tell her that we were gay (we told the neighborhood we were brothers for our safety), drove to my boss's house, screwed his brains out (even though I wasn't attracted to him), jumped on a bus, and rode back to CA. By the time he got back from his drive with her, I was gone and he was screwed.

So, I guess I can also be promiscuous too. It just depends on the situation.

HAha God I was an evil kid.

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wow Xiiro, i can totally picture myself doing the exact same thing-well not the screwing people's brain out ,but my reactions are BIG, and yes the seat thing would have been my breaking point too..

posted April 26, 2012 06:31 AM            

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posted April 26, 2012 07:18 AM            

To the OP and to those who are saying 'there are not cheaters in this sign' and to those who are saying 'they have experienced cheaters in the sign.'

This revolving door will never stop in astrology, because people want definitive answers, lol, and we want them quickly.

I personally feel an individuals 'placements' give light on the energy that may present itself. How that person expresses that energy, is variable. There is no "well they do this, they do that, for sure, because I do this." We can confidently say "I am x, y, z, I do this that or the other, so they might be inclined to do this as well" but even then that doesn't mean it is is 'solely' because we are x, y, z. There could be other connections as well we don't even know of!

And for the record (not that this is about me) I have a Venus in Sagittarius, and I have been more loyal then every sun and venus sign that gets applauded for their loyalty...but obviously, there are other factors to take into consideration. Venus in Scorpio might be loyal, sure, but maybe not...and there is not always some rationalized reason as to why they haven't been (without looking into the chart, presumably)

I've seen a lot of people 'devalue' relationships (sometimes consciously, other subconsciously) because of astrological placements. "Oh this person is a venus in gemini, I'll just have some fun." Turns out, that guy was the best thing that happened to you. I could go down the list of examples. But geesh...it is a revolving door.

Depends on what type of explanation you are looking for, OP. Is the "Venus in Scoprio" energy one that seems to indicate loyalty? Depends on what you mean by loyalty, and then tailor as you see fit! Less important to me is the loyalty itself, but why a person is being 'loyal.' The moment that fuel and cause behind the loyalty is gone, then the true [human] nature and tendencies of that person are revealed.

posted April 26, 2012 07:21 AM            

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posted April 26, 2012 10:20 AM            

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Originally posted by heartstrings:
when they feel they've been betrayed somehow, when they feel they that they've just been used in the relationship, when they've been hurt so bad and hopes that by 'cheating' on their partner, it'll hurt them back, but most would prefer to hold on because their love is just too strong to let go of, when the partner gives a cold shoulder (i.e, ignores them, doesn't treat them right, doesn't show that they love them enough/back, flirts with others, no time for each other, etc.)

-coming from a venus in scorpio lady

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This is an interesting thread.

I have a bf with Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars, and Uranus in Scorpio. He’s really suspicious and jealous about everything I do, even the smallest things. My question is what if he acts this way and thinks that you’re doing something that betrays him, when in fact you’re not. Would he still cheat on you just to punish you? Because he thinks you’ve hurt him… ?

posted April 26, 2012 10:23 AM            

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posted April 26, 2012 10:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
LOYAL to a T. Perfect example: Hugh Jackman!

They are only promiscuous when they are single.

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posted April 26, 2012 10:56 AM            

I am personally a ViS who has never cheated.
My best friend is a ViS who constantly cheats.

If you think of the archetype of Scorpio, they definitely have the potential for evil. Manipulation and exerting power are some of the less evolved traits of a Scorpio anything. Secrecy is another one. These all have the potential to equal cheating or an affair. Even if they may never tell you. Just knowing they have that power over you gives can potentially give the ViS (or Scorpio any personal planet) satisfaction. I know, because I've thought about it. I've used manipulation and power in other ways in relationships, and I definitely liked it (but I was also conflicted).

On the other hand, the more evolved ViS is incredibly loyal, devoted, willing to do anything, explore anything, experience anything for the partner. There are no taboos, and nothing untouched. To get to know someone on such a level, loyalty is required. I can't imagine wanting such a relationship with someone who I didn't love or was unloyal to.

However, Scorpio is also susceptible to revenge. And boy do they mean revenge. They want to hurt you to your very core, transform you into a trembling, vulnerable nobody. They want to hurt you as deeply as you hurt them, which is *a lot*, because Scorpio *feels*. Taking this into consideration, the potential fro cheating as revenge is high.

Or you can do what I do for revenge, break up with the accused and never answer their phone calls or look their way again. *shrug*

The archetype for Scorpio has the potential for devotion and betrayal. I think they are generally loyal until hurt. generally being the key word here. And this hurt could be entirely imagined, as Scorpio tends to be paranoid.

Comparing my ViS to my friend's, mine is probably as much of a ViS as you can get. It is conjunct Pluto in the 8th house. It trines Mars, Jupiter, and sextiles Neptune.

posted April 26, 2012 02:14 PM            

I ask with invested interested, as a Venus in Scorpio myself.

My tidbit:

Venus in Scorpio is a very strong position - I feel it every waking moment of my life, perhaps because it is my ruling planet. It governs all that I do. Although I am a social animal by nature (Sagittarius with Libra Ascendant), there a certain reserve inherent in my casual social interactions with others. There is a dimension of my character that I consciously hold back - it's almost as though I feel others are not worthy of that dimension, as though they must earn permission to enter. Needless to say, many people don't earn that permission, and if they don't "tickle my fancy", so to speak, I won't pursue the potential friendship/relationship further. However, if an individual does indeed "tickle my fancy", I am extremely adamant about gaining their attention and love; it becomes something that consumes me whole; I easily become obsessed. This, however, is NEVER apparent to the object of my affection. I possess a surface equanimity that belies an intensity and obsession beneath. Once I've succeeded in gaining their wholehearted attention, I become very demanding and needy. I want to be with that person all the time - even in friendships - I want to consume myself whole with them, listen to their secrets and their fears, their traumas and their desires - get out all their nooks and crannies.

This, to me, is so Scorpio - so covert and secretive. I'm often told that I'm "sexy", "magnetic", or "charismatic", which all sound very Scorpio to me. I think people feel so comfortable telling me this because they feel I'm oblivious to how I come across - when in fact, I am consciously alluring and magnetizing people to me. In truth, I have an OVERWHELMING need for attention and adoration. I attribute this to Scorpio's insecurity - it is perhaps the most insecure sign - but that is precisely what gives way to its intensity and need for catharsis. One thing is for sure: I always have to have the "upper hand" in social interactions, even romantic ones. All of this sounds very Scorpio to me.

Actually, a number of people have told me that I should take up work as a male escort. Naturally, I ask, "geared towards women or men?" ALL of them have replied, "Both!" I can only chalk this up to meaning I emanate a lot of sexual vibes.

I absolutely love sex. It's euphoric and cathartic to me, and I was very sexually aware at an early age, I think by age 4. I became sexually active relatively young (13), and am indeed a highly sexed person. When I see someone whose physicality is appetizing, I HAVE to have it. I love to find other people who love sex as much as I do- but rarely can people handle my level of virility. I don't like labels (because to me, sex is so fundamental) but if society were to label my sexuality, it would be termed "bisexuality". I know that in this day and age it's rare to find a male who will admit to bisexuality, but I've always been very comfortable with my sexual prowess and really pity others who don't understand sex as something that should be shared irrespective of gender.

In terms of long-term relationships, I don't usually engage in them; psychologically, I fear and foresee the emotional expenditure I'd be subjected to by virtue of my INTENSE love nature. I've been said to "love 'em and leave 'em". I would never cheat, though - I am not about that. If I felt the need to I would instead have an "open relationship" or not one at all.

When I do love, I am very devotional and it is forever. I am EXTREMELY sensitive (not in an emotional Lunar way--definitely in a relationship Venusian way), but you would never know.

posted April 26, 2012 03:10 PM            

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Thank you to all who posted for your wonderful insights into the nature of Venus in Scorpio.....Venus is conjunct Pluto in Scorpio by the way.

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This is interesting to me because I am Sag Sun, Aries ASC, Scorpio Venus. So in a way I can relate on the opposite side of the coin. Some of the insecurity you describe, I would attribute to the Libra ASC. In the case of my chart I have experienced the obsession with the cool exterior, the holding people away and considering them unworthy, the magnetizing people to me and having a subtle hand over the big picture, the wanting to devour every aspect of the person I am with, but it is not particularly overwhelming. My need for attention and adoration is more attributed to my Mars in Leo, and if I don't get the attention, I just move to a place where people appreciate me. In a sense, I think the Leo/Sag/Aries, lighten the insecurity factor quite a bit. They have no problem throwing their own party when the one they show up to sucks.

I was also sexually advanced at a very young age and in a way I feel I am unable to express my full appreciation for someone until I can express it to them via sex (this can even cause sexual tension between friends). I also have an unending supply of sexual energy, but the need to communicate that energy isn't horribly strong. I may find a person I am attracted to, and will have that strong "WANT IT!" feeling, but I am capable of just accepting the feeling and moving on without getting caught in it. Honestly, that feeling happens so often, I would be giving blowjobs to guys in rush hour traffic if I acted on it every time. I am similarly devoted to the people I love and am also extremely sensitive, so would not do well with an open relationship (Aries rising and Mars in Leo make me a bit self centered). I have rarely met people who are capable or willing to understand my sensitivity and the Aries takes that to a place of "well I guess you just have to do it on your own". That said, if someone doesn't live up to my standards, I shut down the Scorpio drive to engage them. If a person is not emotionally capable of connecting with me, than they cease to be sexually desirable. When I have sex I do it well and I perceive it as a gift, so the idea of wasting that on someone who can't make me feel good becomes a turn off.

posted April 26, 2012 03:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:

This is interesting to me because I am Sag Sun, Aries ASC, Scorpio Venus. So in a way I can relate on the opposite side of the coin.

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Hi Xiiro,

Thanks for your lengthy response. It sounds like we resonate with one another on many different levels. What is your birthdate? I'm curious to know what decan your Sun falls in. Have you had many relationships? Perhaps the conjunction with Pluto makes a lot of this overwhelming to me.

"Honestly, that feeling happens so often, I would be giving blowjobs to guys in rush hour traffic if I acted on it every time."

This was hilarious. I literally LOLed because I feel the same way. But doesn't a part of you want to lure them, if only to attest to your sexual prowess? Or perhaps this is due to my conjunction to Pluto.

Question- what insecurity would you attribute to my Libra AC?

Thanks!

EDIT: This was spot-on, too:

"I was also sexually advanced at a very young age and in a way I feel I am unable to express my full appreciation for someone until I can express it to them via sex (this can even cause sexual tension between friends)."

posted April 26, 2012 04:23 PM            

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Originally posted by alaz7200:
Hi Xiiro,

Thanks for your lengthy response. It sounds like we resonate with one another on many different levels. What is your birthdate? I'm curious to know what decan your Sun falls in. Have you had many relationships? Perhaps the conjunction with Pluto makes a lot of this overwhelming to me.

"Honestly, that feeling happens so often, I would be giving blowjobs to guys in rush hour traffic if I acted on it every time."

This was hilarious. I literally LOLed because I feel the same way. But doesn't a part of you want to lure them, if only to attest to your sexual prowess? Or perhaps this is due to my conjunction to Pluto.

Question- what insecurity would you attribute to my Libra AC?

Thanks!

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Sun is 11 degrees Sag, in the second Decan (Aries)
ASC is 20 degrees Aries, in the last Decan (Sagittarius)
Venus is 29 degrees Scorpio, in the last Decan (Cancer)

I was in a relationship which lasted 15 years (we started dating at 11 years old and we dated openly while we were together) and another that lasted 7 years. The other relationships lasted between 3 months and a year. Over all, I wouldn't say I have been in many relationships, but I did go through a few years where I constantly had a partner (even if that partner was changing).

It is certainly possible your Pluto conjunction adds intensity to your Venus and if both are in the second house, it may make the energy more difficult to control. My Pluto is in Libra, so I don't have first hand experience with that energy (though Pluto is dispositor of my Venus).

As for free blow jobs in rush hour, you know that wasn't a lie. That Scorpio just wants to climb into the guts of anything it finds beautiful and that includes random strangers. It is specifically annoying when I see someone in media (though I generally don't get attracted to celebrities for some reason). It has even happened to me with a well drawn cartoon. There is this sad longing that I know will never be satiated, because the object of my lust is a fictitious image.

I think the Libran insecurity is notable in that desire to lure others in. Aries (especially ruled by Leo) just kinda says, "I know you want this... not wanting this merely shows how flawed you are". Libra looks at each opportunity and asks, "can I make them want this....Can I make them drool over me?" Libra isn't just content at being pretty, they want to know other people find them pretty. Libra is also a perfectionist and can translate rejection to mean they are personally flawed. I don't think the insecurity is bad, in fact I think the painful experience of rejection eventually results in Libra discovery of their true beauty. In a sense it is equally difficult to be a snob (in the case of Aries/Leo) and avoidance of experience can be just as insecure as seeking approval.

When I was younger I was very into manipulating guys into falling for me. I would even take them to the point of sex and turn them down just to see their reaction, but I came to a couple of conclusions. 1) Is the desire for me genuine, or are they just fawning over the pretty picture I have woven for them? And 2) People complement me ALL the time on my magnetism, charisma, and appeal. After a while part of me became satisfied with that. I don't need to drag a guy around by his dick in order to know I am capable of doing it.

Sure being liked is fun (especially for Libras), but Venus in Scorpio doesn't want a slave, we want someone who we are safe to feel as vulnerable as we want to make others feel. This is why we manipulate others into a drooling, snarling, fetal position inducing, sexual stupor... because we are inflicting on them the same pain we are "cursed" to experience whenever we find something beautiful.

=) that is my view on it, what do you think? (=

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