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Topic: Children being cruel to animals
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popcorn Knowflake Posts: 2746 From: Registered: Aug 2009
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posted May 14, 2012 09:29 AM
quote: Originally posted by MyFavouriteName: popcorn,do you think these people are born this way, born bad or nurtured bad? do you think this is also chance that a young persons mind can develop its own interests by choice and by chance they take up bad ones?
yes, those children has not an normal childhood. IP: Logged |
Doreen Knowflake Posts: 378 From: Registered: Jun 2009
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posted May 14, 2012 09:29 AM
quote: Originally posted by amowls**: What's more cruel? Hunting an animal in the wild or raising farm animals in tiny cages to then be slaughtered for food? I have no problem with hunting when we have factory farming. It's truly disgusting.
Venus probably doesn't buy factory farmed products and only buys organic like me ------------------ The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong - Mahatma Gandhi You must be the change you want to see in the world - Mahatma Gandhi Sun - Aries Moon - Sagittarius Rising - Leo IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 32233 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted May 14, 2012 09:32 AM
Jupiter is a crucial part of a person in terms of being sensitive to others. Jupiter is the conscience i.e. can I hurt this person and feel nothing or will I feel badly, imo. The moon plays a role with Jupiter but I see Jupiter as the conscience, per se and the moon as the deepest heart. They are related,of course, but different, too. Each planet is a unique and separate part of ourselves. ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 32233 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted May 14, 2012 09:37 AM
Yes, Jupiter and the moon are inter-related players, Amwols. They are two of the key factors in empathy.------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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MyFavouriteName Knowflake Posts: 57 From: London Registered: May 2012
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posted May 14, 2012 02:48 PM
Ami,i totally agree with you, especially about how freely these manifestations can play out, how much they vary. how many things the results depend on. do you think the chart may explain the kind of abuse they had? do we think people who may turn cruel or sociopath are always abused in the sense of physical or sexual? IP: Logged |
amowls** Knowflake Posts: 1571 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted May 14, 2012 02:53 PM
quote: Originally posted by MyFavouriteName:
do we think people who may turn cruel or sociopath are always abused in the sense of physical or sexual?
No. I know 2 potential sociopaths, one is actually diagnosed as borderline personality and she was never abused. I think the sociopathy is a way to cope with symptoms of BPD. The other individual was also never abused and has lived a pretty charmed life (comes from a rich family). Abuse can bring it out, but it's not the only cause.
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MyFavouriteName Knowflake Posts: 57 From: London Registered: May 2012
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posted May 14, 2012 02:57 PM
this is interesting Amowls, do you have a theory on why this develops without abuse?do you think children can be born bad? do you think maybe children can nurture their own minds into these bad behavioural problems simply because... life and biology produce unpredictable, free results? people have freedom of choice IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 32233 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted May 14, 2012 03:54 PM
Yes, I think the story of one's life can be told in exquisite detail from the natal chart and more so, with the addition of the synastry of the person with his parents. You have to have asteroids, though, for a complete picture.
The only thing lacking in knowing every detail of one's life is the mastery of the Astrologer. Someone like IQ could take these 3 charts, above, and tell you about your life down to the very detail, as I see it. IQ did it with me, in fact. I think in very,very rare instances someone may be born with no empathy i.e a sociopath. In these instances, the person is not lost as spiritual measures could restore the person to normality, imo.
For the 99 % cases of sociopaths, I think there was severe enough abuse for them to shut down their empathy as a form of protection.
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MyFavouriteName Knowflake Posts: 57 From: London Registered: May 2012
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posted May 14, 2012 04:14 PM
how much does iQ charge for that? loli wouldn't mind seeing if he can read my life story, i can't make much sense of why iv done some of the things i have. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 32233 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted May 14, 2012 04:15 PM
His banner is on here! Tell me if you can see it. The banners are not working at the mo. They will come back. Just watch for it! I am not sure how much he charges. If you could swing it, I would do your natal and your synastry with both of your parents. It would be money well spent, imo.------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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MyFavouriteName Knowflake Posts: 57 From: London Registered: May 2012
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posted May 14, 2012 04:28 PM
i don't know my fathers chart, but technically i could consider atleast 2 people my parents. he seems very affordable, i looked at his site, i couldn't find a specific reading for looking at ones chart and reading their life story so to speak. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 32233 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted May 14, 2012 04:36 PM
Well, there may not be a specific set up to get this, but I would talk to him and tell him what you would like. Tell him I sent you, if you want.------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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MyFavouriteName Knowflake Posts: 57 From: London Registered: May 2012
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posted May 14, 2012 05:03 PM
emailed him, have people here had good results, can i trust using my paypal with him? IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 32233 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted May 14, 2012 05:06 PM
quote: Originally posted by MyFavouriteName: emailed him, have people here had good results, can i trust using my paypal with him?
Totally lol
------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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MyFavouriteName Knowflake Posts: 57 From: London Registered: May 2012
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posted May 14, 2012 05:12 PM
would you like to swing your chart to me? IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 32233 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted May 14, 2012 05:16 PM
Sure, I can put it up in Personal Readings. Would you like to look. I would love any and all insights! ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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WorldsBestDad Newflake Posts: 21 From: Philadelphia, PA USA Registered: May 2012
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posted May 15, 2012 01:54 PM
I violently killed my hamster when I was a child. Astrologically, I'm too green to provide any reasoning but I definitely wouldn't act like that again. Scary. Sun- Capricorn Moon- Sagittarius Rising- Gemini IP: Logged |
Doreen Knowflake Posts: 378 From: Registered: Jun 2009
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posted May 15, 2012 01:58 PM
quote: Originally posted by WorldsBestDad: I violently killed my hamster when I was a child. Astrologically, I'm too green to provide any reasoning but I definitely wouldn't act like that again. Scary. Sun- Capricorn Moon- Sagittarius Rising- Gemini
You're kidding right ? ------------------ The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong - Mahatma Gandhi You must be the change you want to see in the world - Mahatma Gandhi Sun - Aries Moon - Sagittarius Rising - Leo IP: Logged |
MyFavouriteName Knowflake Posts: 57 From: London Registered: May 2012
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posted May 15, 2012 03:07 PM
WorldsBestDad, its a shame you can't remember anything to suggest reasons, i saw your chart in the other thread, couldn't see any negative difficult aspects to suggest why, interestingIP: Logged |
PixieJane Knowflake Posts: 428 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted May 16, 2012 03:19 AM
quote: Originally posted by Venus: i almost got myself into a fight on pinterest because i commented on a picture of a child (probaly 2 years old)sitting on a dead dear or moose or whatever.. obviously they were so happy with their son's first kill.. omg i was so angry and i couldnt keep it to myself, how can they teach a child to be this cruel!!its one thing to eat meat and something else entirely to make a sport out of killing wild animals.. where is the respect towards other living beings.. http://pinterest.com/pin/246149935853798033/?utm_source =sendgrid.com&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=comment_conversation sorry if i was off topic..
He didn't kill the animal and I doubt he was anywhere present when the deer was killed. And no 2 year old, no matter how gifted, is going to take down a big game animal. But interesting enough one of my life plans was to live on a farm but rather than eat my animals I'd instead fish and hunt small game (maybe big game from time to time). The reason for this is that I saw animals I took care of as trusting me and thus killing them was a betrayal of that trust, but animals in the wild live by the natural cycle of predator & prey (and understand that to the core of their being) and thus I feel it's ok to hunt for food (and other necessities). I also went hunting when I was 17 (living off the grid) and I realized that I could be killed by a bear or mountain lion also hunting or defending its cubs or territory. It happens, and bears have a nasty tendency to not die even when shot point blank in the head, until after they've killed you first. I didn't hold that against the animals, I saw them as having the same right to hunt and feed as I did and I didn't elevate my existence above theirs or the natural cycle of predator/prey (at least not as a philosophical level, though I certainly have survival instincts that favor me over other animals, human and otherwise, of course). However, I don't understand the fanaticism some have for the sport or practices like sticking animal heads on the wall (and I don't think I'd allow anyone to do that in my home) though I suspect it's "proof of one's prowess" to take care of one's self. And a lot of hunting practices I've heard about shock or even anger me, like animals shot in cages, footage of hunters having a grand old time as they massacred ducks (there was so many shots it sounded like full auto and ducks rained from the sky into the lake which goes to show they were having sadistic fun rather than providing food, showing skill, or any honor & restraint), hunting by helicopter (I think this should only be allowed to take out an animal that is an active menace and even then as a last resort, not for fun or sport) or how a cougar was declawed to use as training for hunting dogs (which I not only thought as horrifying cruelty to the cougar but was doing those dogs a callous disservice for when they ran into a cougar that still had its claws). Of course you may not be interested in other points of view and may decide I'm a sociopath who's only biding my time before I start hunting humans but just in case you're not then there it is. IP: Logged |
Venus Moderator Posts: 1170 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted May 16, 2012 05:34 AM
quote: Originally posted by PixieJane: He didn't kill the animal and I doubt he was anywhere present when the deer was killed. And no 2 year old, no matter how gifted, is going to take down a big game animal.
um yeah i know that im not an idiot! the people who posted the pic called this his first kil i know he didnt kill it himself.. quote:
However, I don't understand the fanaticism some have for the sport or practices like sticking animal heads on the wall (and I don't think I'd allow anyone to do that in my home) though I suspect it's "proof of one's prowess" to take care of one's self. And a lot of hunting practices I've heard about shock or even anger me, like animals shot in cages, footage of hunters having a grand old time as they massacred ducks (there was so many shots it sounded like full auto and ducks rained from the sky into the lake which goes to show they were having sadistic fun rather than providing food, showing skill, or any honor & restraint), hunting by helicopter (I think this should only be allowed to take out an animal that is an active menace and even then as a last resort, not for fun or sport) or how a cougar was declawed to use as training for hunting dogs (which I not only thought as horrifying cruelty to the cougar but was doing those dogs a callous disservice for when they ran into a cougar that still had its claws).Of course you may not be interested in other points of view and may decide I'm a sociopath who's only biding my time before I start hunting humans but just in case you're not then there it is. [/B]
no actually i agree to most of this.. i eat meat, so im not gonna be a hypocrite and say im against hunting.. but i remember when there was sanctity in killing animals for food, and not to display them in their homes.. also its unfair for the child to be exposed to killing and hunting this early on!! I mean how is he supposed to respect nature when he’s older?? IP: Logged |
PhoenixFire Knowflake Posts: 136 From: The Crossing Registered: Jun 2009
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posted May 17, 2012 12:20 AM
Ami Ann, by BDP are you referring to borderline personality disorder or bipolar disorder? What aspects are related to these two conditions? My friend lent me hr copy of "The Sociopath Next door", and I'm really freaked out by it. The biggest question which comes to my mind, is if a definite cause will someday be identified as causing sociopath personality. While some studies point to genetics, I wonder if a certain gene would be the trigger, or if something went wrong in the pregnancy. IP: Logged |
Pennylane Knowflake Posts: 97 From: Registered: Feb 2012
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posted May 17, 2012 05:25 AM
This is horrible, but I remember as a little kid I once ripped off a butterfly's wings. I was so young, can't have been older than 4. I do have anxiety issues; I've been picking scabs on my scalp almost compulsively since I was 7 (sorry if that's TMI, but I think they're probably related...something about picking them always relaxed me...yes I know, it's unsettling...) Never hurt a dog or a cat but it's still pretty messed up, and I had to have known it was wrong.in case any one cares, I've been a vegetarian for 8 years. I don't wear leather, and I am categorically against fishing and hunting. I have a dog I literally love more than anything. So maybe it doesn't always manifest in adulthood. IP: Logged |
MyFavouriteName Knowflake Posts: 57 From: London Registered: May 2012
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posted May 19, 2012 12:02 PM
i noticed a lot of people jumped onto the psychopath bandwaggon when talking about this subject,but do all children who have done this really become psychos? or more relevantly, do they all become 'bad' ?? IP: Logged |
ariesdragon Moderator Posts: 2981 From: Jupiter Registered: Jan 2012
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posted May 19, 2012 01:06 PM
I agree Jupiter squares Mercury squares That's sad I love animals IP: Logged |