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MyFavouriteName
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posted May 13, 2012 07:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyFavouriteName     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
any ideas either astrologically or psychology why this happens?

i remember watching a documentary scratching at the concept at wether good or bad is born or nurtured.

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posted May 13, 2012 08:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello MyFavouriteName! Welcome to LL

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posted May 14, 2012 02:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doreen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Being cruel to animals ? Don't most serial killers start off by killing animals by being cruel if you meant killing/beating I would first talk to the child about it if that doesn't work get professional help

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posted May 14, 2012 03:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Libreo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My daughter had a friend when she was 4 and her friend once deliberately broke her dogs leg by bending it the wrong way, she was always an angry little girl, when her mum asked her why she did it she said she wanted to hear the dog cry. I'm pretty sure she was an 'animal loving' Cancer. I also recall that her Dad exposed himself to her and my daughter one night on a sleepover. I finished their friendship pretty quickly.

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posted May 14, 2012 04:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
(((Being cruel to animals ? Don't most serial killers start off by killing animals by being cruel if you meant killing/beating I would first talk to the child about it if that doesn't work get professional help)))

I agree. Psychopath pattern start at young year like this. Only proffessional help works. Important to start psychological treatment quickly.

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posted May 14, 2012 04:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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get professional help

The thought of associating abusive behaviour with astrology - bothers me... because any aspect can play out in different ways.
Mars/Pluto can make one prone to aggression for example.. but this will not tell you whether the aggression will be directed at one person - at a group of people - at animals - at institutions etc... or whether the person will simply channel the aggression into a sport like boxing.

I think this is a topic for LLC2.

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posted May 14, 2012 05:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doreen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Libreo:
My daughter had a friend when she was 4 and her friend once deliberately broke her dogs leg by bending it the wrong way, she was always an angry little girl, when her mum asked her why she did it she said she wanted to hear the dog cry. I'm pretty sure she was an 'animal loving' Cancer. I also recall that her Dad exposed himself to her and my daughter one night on a sleepover. I finished their friendship pretty quickly.

That's very sad poor Dog I hope her mother explained to her that it is wrong to harm innocent animals

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posted May 14, 2012 05:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Animal abuse should NEVER be excused.

Many who harm animals go on to kill people, too. It's a red flag that shouldn't be ignored or responded to with a slap on the wrist.

And that story about the girl doing that to her dog literally made me sick and disgusted.

There are few things that make me angrier than people hurting dogs. It's unacceptable and it doesn't matter if it's a little kid that does it--doing something that heinous should not be tolerated, EVER. It's only going to get worse and it's a sign that a person is truly rotten to the core. It's a sign of worse things to come in the future.

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posted May 14, 2012 05:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i almost got myself into a fight on pinterest because i commented on a picture of a child (probaly 2 years old)sitting on a dead dear or moose or whatever.. obviously they were so happy with their son's first kill.. omg i was so angry and i couldnt keep it to myself, how can they teach a child to be this cruel!!

its one thing to eat meat and something else entirely to make a sport out of killing wild animals.. where is the respect towards other living beings..
http://pinterest.com/pin/246149935853798033/?utm_source=sendgrid.com&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=comment_conversation


sorry if i was off topic..

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posted May 14, 2012 07:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have been thinking about this question as I have been called to study the charts of sociopaths.I seem called to study certain subjects in Astrology. The cruelty to animals is one, only,of the classic traits of a sociopath. However, the larger issue, astrologically, is the chart itself. I tried to pick IQ's brain on this subject. IQ said there were were charts that showed a potential to be a sociopath to varying degrees. I have heard IQ even put this into percentages such as 60%, etc. One chart of a convicted serial killer, IQ said had a 110% chance of being a sociopath, if I have IQ's comments correctly.

The charts with these percentages need an abusive childhood to push the person to manifest the sociopath traits.

I am not a master like IQ but I want to add my feelings on this. I think that God can make any chart null and void. I say this because I think God's laws are higher and more powerful that any factor on the earth. The chart is of the earth and the earth plane.

So, anyone who has a chart that is even 110% that of a sociopath can overcome that chart, totally, when God's domain is accessed.

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posted May 14, 2012 07:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Animal abuse should NEVER be excused.
Many who harm animals go on to kill people, too. It's a red flag that shouldn't be ignored or responded to with a slap on the wrist.

And that story about the girl doing that to her dog literally made me sick and disgusted


I'm completely right behind you on this

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posted May 14, 2012 07:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doreen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Venus:
i almost got myself into a fight on pinterest because i commented on a picture of a child (probaly 2 years old)sitting on a dead dear or moose or whatever.. obviously they were so happy with their son's first kill.. omg i was so angry and i couldnt keep it to myself, how can they teach a child to be this cruel!!

its one thing to eat meat and something else entirely to make a sport out of killing wild animals.. where is the respect towards other living beings..
http://pinterest.com/pin/246149935853798033/?utm_source =sendgrid.com&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=comment_conversation


sorry if i was off topic..


I argue on facebbok too when I see people saying that pigeon shoots are a sport and I really don't understand how brutally killing a defenseless animal can be considered a sport
Another thing I HATE is bullfighting

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posted May 14, 2012 07:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think we are discussing two separate things on here. Nobody wants animals to be hurt. If a child hurts animals it is a possible psychological indicator of other serious things. That was the point of this thread, as I see it.

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posted May 14, 2012 07:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyFavouriteName     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lots of passionate responses!

i agree about astrology, no one aspect or chart can be labelled for being this or that. lots of people are born on the same day and hour or similar charts. we do not see waves of serial killers born the same day/year do we?

but i think we all know this already. we should be this careful with astrology on ALL parts of it, not just animal cruelty, but we should be this careful on any thing we try to interpret, as their is always a bunch of interpretations per aspect/chart to make that energy play out differently person to person.

i also think that astrology is used so broadly to discuss the why's and whats on here that it would make no sense to decide what should be attempted to interpret and what shouldn't be.

i think this is something that can be, i dont think one aspect means in every person who has that in their chart equal an abuser.

but i think if we Looked at every culprits chart you will see where their traits manifested from.


the topic is more astrological but i am naturally interested in peoples opinion on it psychologically too, do any of you have an opinion on wether Good or Bad is nurtured by environment, or is born?


any more ideas now on What aspects may allow these traits to manifest?

i think pluto is very consistently involved here.

but why does it go wrong?

i have one last interesting question on this,

if we believe that bad is only nurtured by environment, does anyone think its possible that a child could actually nurture their own selves?

i mean, adults have responsibilities, but freedom, freewill, and choice always exists.

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posted May 14, 2012 08:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is the very rare chart when the child would be born a sociopath. I saw IQ mention this once. The chart had a plethora of hard aspects.I remember Algol conjunct the ASC, I think. Nessus had many,many hard aspects to it. The Moon must have very hard aspects to it, as well. I think the moon is a key player here, as it is one's deepest heart.If the Moon has a tenderness aspect such as Moon trine Venus, the person would have a way out of any sociopath aspects, you could say.

As far as sociopath aspects, Jupiter is another key, as Jupiter is the conscience. I did one chart where the man had almost all planets hitting Jupiter in squares and oppositions but he had a beautiful entryway to Neptune. He was an artist and art was his way to overcome the hardness to his conscience.

So, I think that the Moon and Jupiter are key, here, in my studies, anyway. I wait for other people to chime in.

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posted May 14, 2012 08:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyFavouriteName     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
great contributions Ami, thankyou.

i never thought of jupiter, and i didn't know, or remember at least, that jupiter was designated as the conscience. if that is so, then it definitely makes sense if its a key part.

do you think you can have a go at interpreting these key players in a chart psychologically a bit?

why do you think for example, Jupiter with difficult aspects, can manifest in these ways? do you think the reasons may be nurtured, if they are, what kinds of things would you suspect nurtured them?

i think the moon makes sense if it represents childhood, home, background, and nurture tendencies - which would be based upon how the subject was nurtured i imagine.

the first relationship in a humans life is the most significant they say. and the Moon/Mother would closely represent this in a chart? what about the 4th or MC/ruler of MC?

lastly, i wonder what causes these energies to manifest as cruelty in the child.


i love your replies, many thanks again x


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posted May 14, 2012 08:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ive practice on a psychologic place once a time there psychopatic people was on treatment. I cant see any specific nessus or pluto placement on this peoples chart. Sorry,, but for me your teory not works. I also have this hard nessus aspect to moon like barach obama and also many other people I know who not are psychopatic or sociopath people. Everyone have pluto and nessus in their chart...

I know that psychopat peoples patterns shows in behavior on people early. Its important to not ignore that behavior and only trust on God. Its important to handle things like this professional....

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posted May 14, 2012 09:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by popcorn:
Ive practice on a psychologic place once a time there psychopatic people was on treatment. I cant see any specific nessus or pluto placement on this peoples chart. Sorry,, but for me your teory not works. I also have this hard nessus aspect to moon like barach obama and also many other people I know who not are psychopatic or sociopath people. Everyone have pluto and nessus in their chart...

I know that psychopat peoples patterns shows in behavior on people early. Its important to not ignore that behavior and only trust on God. Its important to handle things like this professional....


Of course, Darling Popcorn. One cannot take one aspect like Nessus conj the Moon and make a whole theory of it!

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posted May 14, 2012 09:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you MFN
I will think about the best way to express it and be back! xx

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posted May 14, 2012 09:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyFavouriteName     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
popcorn,

do you think these people are born this way, born bad or nurtured bad?

do you think this is also chance that a young persons mind can develop its own interests by choice and by chance they take up bad ones?

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posted May 14, 2012 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Venus:
i almost got myself into a fight on pinterest because i commented on a picture of a child (probaly 2 years old)sitting on a dead dear or moose or whatever.. obviously they were so happy with their son's first kill.. omg i was so angry and i couldnt keep it to myself, how can they teach a child to be this cruel!!

its one thing to eat meat and something else entirely to make a sport out of killing wild animals.. where is the respect towards other living beings..
http://pinterest.com/pin/246149935853798033/?utm_source =sendgrid.com&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=comment_conversation


sorry if i was off topic..


What's more cruel? Hunting an animal in the wild or raising farm animals in tiny cages to then be slaughtered for food? I have no problem with hunting when we have factory farming. It's truly disgusting.

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What's more cruel? Hunting an animal in the wild or raising farm animals in tiny cages to then be slaughtered for food? I have no problem with hunting when we have factory farming. It's truly disgusting.

hunting, in itself, is not cruel, if it was for the sake of maintaing life => food. hunting for the sake of sport, is CRUEL.. factory farming is cruel too but that doesnt undermine the cruelty of hunting for fun..

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posted May 14, 2012 09:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Empathy is a complex attribute. Hence, many astrology factors play in. Some people have bad childhood abuse and retain empathy, although they would manifest the abuse in other ways such as BPD, PTSD, DID or Codependecy. Other people react to abuse by shutting down empathy as would be the case in a sociopath.

I think the chart can even SHOW which choice the person would make to childhood abuse. My other area of interest is BPD which seems to have different astrological traits than ASPD.

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posted May 14, 2012 09:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jupiter is the part of one which is sensitive to others, in terms of the conscience i.e. can I hurt this person and feel nothing or feel something?

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posted May 14, 2012 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What do you think people do with their kills after they hunt them? Most people do eat the animals they hunt. Do you also have a problem with fishing?

Hunting does not bother me as much as eating a cheeseburger from McDonald's or buying meat from a grocery store. Those animals definitely suffered before they died. Hunters generally try to make it quick and painless. And I say this as someone who does not hunt and is an on and off vegan.

Sorry to derail the thread

Jupiter maybe, but that's not as personal I think. Jupiter points to institutional morality like say religion. I think empathy for living things comes from your Moon.

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