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Topic: Positive outlets for difficult aspects/placements
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Hera
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posted May 19, 2012 12:10 PM
  
Hello all!You know how they recommend that you find positive outlets for your difficult aspects. Well I don't know about you, but I always puffed when reading that, thinking it's not really helpful unless they actually suggest some activities to do so! That is just a very general thing to say, but I guess they say that because it is different for everyone. What works for you might not work for me. Anyways, I have always been puzzled about my Mars-Pluto exact opposition. I've talked about this aspect here a few times, but I think it was Lonake that said something that really clicked inside my head (back in the MIS thread I think?). People generally have a very strong (negative) reaction about this aspect. Or maybe I am projecting since *I* always had a negative reaction about it and downright refused to express it. It represented the things I loathed in life, but also somehow secretely wanted them as well. I supressed anger and passion but instead attracted quite a bit of external violence. The aspect needed to be expressed and since I refused, it was forced on me. Some time ago, it hit me. I have started to express it - positively, I think - a while ago and (haha!) I've become more comfortable with it since then. I possess the energy like it or not, it is in ME and one way or another, I have to live with it. For me, the positive outlet for MP opposition was surgery. Partially because Pluto rules the 10th, Mars rules the 3rd. I guess you could say the need for raw emotions, dramatic circumstances and a little bit of gore was satisfied this way. When I think back, becoming a surgeon has done wonders for my self-acceptance and personal confidence. And I've become more peaceful inside.
Of course, not all surgeons have this aspect - actually it seems like Mercury-Mars is a must with us aaaaaaand the harder the aspect, the better the surgeon! Have seen squares and M/M oppositions, quincunxes among the most skilled ones I have met personally. I have it easier with this one, just the conjunction. But, of course, each of us LIVES this experience differently and expresses different facets of their personality in their line of work. For me, it is definitely Mars/Pluto that gets the highlight. I was worried while growing up that I actually like how blood smells. I thought that made me kinda sick, now I am thankful for not passing out in my first surgical moments lol.
So I was wondering how you're dealing with difficult aspects or placements, what your experience was like with the struggle to positively integrate them in your life and accepting them as strengths - not weaknesses. I do see now that it is a very personal experience so each person has to find the outlet that better fits them.
Any Mars-Saturn ppl have good suggestions? I'm still struggling with that one and mountain climbing does not do it for me lol.  IP: Logged |
Hera
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posted May 19, 2012 12:17 PM
I remember YTA saying something among these lines about Sun-Jupiter square while we were discussing car racing and drivers' aspects. I just find it fascinating and I am in awe to see people turning the tables on their tough spots and bringing them to downright excellence! I have always respected that.  IP: Logged |
MyFavouriteName
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posted May 19, 2012 12:19 PM
great topic, and i really enjoyed your shared experience, i at this time don't have any to share (yet i have a joblot of hard aspects, im sure if i think about it properly maybe im doing some positive outlets. i wouldn't be surprised if i am doing none!)i have a hard pluto aspect, i use it positively and it makes me feel good, i like to put pluto + wisdom together and that is fulfilling. i feel fulfilled when i help someone find themselves, become aware, and deal with their internal problems better. i utilise pluto to help this and this makes the hard aspect feel really positive this does not stop the negative aspects and traits existing though, im not sure if i can, i think you have to want it to stop - like how someone quits smoking. they have to want to stop. IP: Logged |
ariesdragon
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posted May 19, 2012 12:25 PM
Good thread Hera! Positive outlet for me is completely clearing my mind or focusing it on something else right away when I'm feeling a negative energy. I'll also go the gym or swim IP: Logged |
Hera
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posted May 19, 2012 12:32 PM
Hello, MFN!I'm pretty sure you will think of more positive outlets! I think a lot of us express them unaware. That is the whole beauty of it - it is the thing you most struggle with, but what actually makes you a better person because of it! What hard Pluto aspects do you have? quote:
this does not stop the negative aspects and traits existing though, im not sure if i can, i think you have to want it to stop - like how someone quits smoking. they have to want to stop.
Haha! True. I quit 3 months ago lol. I have wondered about that too, especially for the outside factors - how do you stop those?! It seems to me like it is a neverending struggle and events that trigger that energy within you will continue to happen, but I guess you tend to react differently to them. IP: Logged |
Hera
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posted May 19, 2012 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by ariesdragon:
Good thread Hera! Positive outlet for me is completely clearing my mind or focusing it on something else right away when I'm feeling a negative energy. I'll also go the gym or swim
Hey AD! What aspects are you refering at? Please share hehe! BTW, I totally loved your wheels on the pic thread!  Have an increasing fascination for them, though completely rejected the idea of them in the past. But now I'm so smitten lol! IP: Logged |
MyFavouriteName
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posted May 19, 2012 12:51 PM
Hera,i thought about what you said i think another reason surgery appeals to your pluto mars, is because surgery involves Dissection (think pluto scorpio - beneath the surface.. what lurks down there , in there??) it also means becoming Intimate, by dissecting you become intimate with what lurks beneath - i hope you like organs! 
pluto means you have the focus perhaps needed to perform surgery too.
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ariesdragon
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posted May 19, 2012 01:02 PM
I really like Venus conjunct mercury
Jupiter Venus easy aspects
Jupiter mercury easy aspects
Is that what u mean by aspects that I like Hera?
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Hera
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posted May 19, 2012 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by MyFavouriteName:
Hera,i thought about what you said i think another reason surgery appeals to your pluto mars, is because surgery involves Dissection (think pluto scorpio - beneath the surface.. what lurks down there , in there??) it also means becoming Intimate, by dissecting you become intimate with what lurks beneath - i hope you like organs!
pluto means you have the focus perhaps needed to perform surgery too.
Yes, I do enjoy going beneath the surface lol - dissection too! But please no organs lol! I didn't dig general surgery much, I do plastics (there's an astro reason for that too). No, but I guess ppl who'd see my chart will instantly think psychology/psychiatry and it was indeed a huge pull for me! I have a psy degree but it is not my line of work. My career had to be something that really pushed me beyond my limitations and surgery did not come easy for me, believe me. I used to have zero self-confidence when I entered the field, I thought I didn't belong there and will most likely suck at it. I take every failure to heart and it turns me upside down, litterally! I wanted to quit more than once and a part of me is still wondering if I am really the (wo)man for the job. I like the confidence it gives me but I also hope not to become an arrogant God-complexed surgeon. The temptation for that is quite high since M/P likes extremes. As you can see, I live the experience of being a surgeon in quite a very dramatic way. But that is M/P for ya. IP: Logged |
Hera
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posted May 19, 2012 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by ariesdragon:
I really like Venus conjunct mercury
Jupiter Venus easy aspects
Jupiter mercury easy aspects
Is that what u mean by aspects that I like Hera?
Thank you
I am very curious why you put bluehearts as your msg icons. lol
As for aspects, no, I am actually talking about the difficult ones, the hard ones (conj, sq, oppo - mostly), the ones you struggle with and eventually overcome. The ones you can run from, but you cannot hide hahaha. I believe these are the ones that contribue most in shaping a person. I am curious how people manage them, turning them from negative/challenging/draw-backs into personal assets. IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted May 19, 2012 01:28 PM
Hera,You're a surgeon! You have my utmost respect. My college girlfriend became a brain surgeon. So, I'm partial to surgeons. Yes, I have Sun Square Jupiter and Mars Trine Pluto. I need stress outlets. I don't know if driving is safe and healthy, but my way to de-stress is to drive, especially in a convertible. IP: Logged |
Hera
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posted May 19, 2012 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Hera,You're a surgeon! You have my utmost respect. My college girlfriend became a brain surgeon. So, I'm partial to surgeons. Yes, I have Sun Square Jupiter and Mars Trine Pluto. I need stress outlets. I don't know if driving is safe and healthy, but my way to de-stress is to drive, especially in a convertible.
Driving, yesssssss! I hear you! Interesting, I have Sun-Jupiter soft aspect (trine) and Mars-Pluto hard aspect (oppo). You have my utmost respect and admiration for quite a lot of things, YTA!  Ahhhh, too bad you're taken! lol IP: Logged |
sand
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posted May 19, 2012 02:18 PM
Fixed t- square to Leo moon. Pluto, moon, merc Pluto moon Venus I think the closest positive aspects to it works.. Jupiter sextile Saturn. Sems to point towards hard work anyway.. IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted May 19, 2012 03:40 PM
I have Mars in the 12th house. If let loose and untamed, I have a very wild and violent temper. No one has seen my temper except my mother in all my 23 years of existence. No one has any idea how my rage feels when I experience it! Although it's somewhat isolating, I know how to keep my temper with people. I repress a lot of anger with them and I know how to pick and choose my battles. I'm still tweaking it because what I see it turning into is akin to a Capricorn moon - bottling one's emotions up until it explodes. However, I think Mars in the 12th house means being able to sense other's motivations a lot faster than most people too. I have a passion for spiritual matters (not as much time to devote to learning in depth about it, but nevertheless...) and I'm also very good at being by myself. I learned the things I WANT happen faster if I don't express them verbally (Mars in Gemini) too. Maybe that's not the kind of positive examples you're looking for, but it's a shot! IP: Logged |
Hera
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posted May 20, 2012 12:00 AM
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Originally posted by sand:
Fixed t- square to Leo moon. Pluto, moon, merc Pluto moon Venus I think the closest positive aspects to it works.. Jupiter sextile Saturn. Sems to point towards hard work anyway..
So you're using your positive aspects to help you deal with tense ones?  IP: Logged |
Hera
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posted May 20, 2012 12:01 AM
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I have Mars in the 12th house. If let loose and untamed, I have a very wild and violent temper. No one has seen my temper except my mother in all my 23 years of existence. No one has any idea how my rage feels when I experience it! Although it's somewhat isolating, I know how to keep my temper with people. I repress a lot of anger with them and I know how to pick and choose my battles. I'm still tweaking it because what I see it turning into is akin to a Capricorn moon - bottling one's emotions up until it explodes. However, I think Mars in the 12th house means being able to sense other's motivations a lot faster than most people too. I have a passion for spiritual matters (not as much time to devote to learning in depth about it, but nevertheless...) and I'm also very good at being by myself. I learned the things I WANT happen faster if I don't express them verbally (Mars in Gemini) too. Maybe that's not the kind of positive examples you're looking for, but it's a shot!
It's v good, Hanna! Thank you! IP: Logged |
sand
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posted May 20, 2012 05:47 AM
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Originally posted by Hera:
So you're using your positive aspects to help you deal with tense ones?
It's a t-square. The solution is the closest positive aspect or opposite the apex. That wud b 2-3 Aquarius. Or the Jupiter sextile Saturn I mentioned.. I do have harsh aspects not part of the configuration. I hafta think about those further. Do u mean realistically lol? Well I have sun opp Saturn, Saturn in h1 I guess I just try to eliminate flaws as much as possible. Only way iv worked around it. I also try to be on better terms with my dad and my mom too for the moon squares LOL! IP: Logged |
Hera
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posted May 20, 2012 08:20 AM
@Sand, Hmmm... Is your dad represented by the 10th house? I ask because you also mentioned him - I understand there would be some issues with your Mom given the T-sq, but why your dad as well? I don't have T-crosses in my chart so I don't know how they feel, but from what I understand, the apex planet is the key to releasing the tension - in your case the Moon, no? Do you find this to be true or do you only go around them to better manage them? IP: Logged |
sand
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posted May 20, 2012 09:04 AM
Oh I was talking about an individual aspect this time with my dad. Sun opposite Saturn. Like how wud I release them thru my moon again? Fixed t squares are also said to be the hardest. IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted May 20, 2012 11:49 AM
Hey Hera, IP: Logged |
Hera
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posted May 20, 2012 11:56 PM
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Originally posted by sand:
Oh I was talking about an individual aspect this time with my dad. Sun opposite Saturn. Like how wud I release them thru my moon again? Fixed t squares are also said to be the hardest.
Yes, I heard that too. Worse than fixed grand crosses?? I suppose, since those are more stable. I don't know how exactly, perhaps by expressing emotions and being very in tune with your inner emotional life, I suppose. Moon rules your 9th no? Perhaps 9H issues are also helpful in dealing with the T-cross. The apex is supposed to be the way out, the key to solving the tension. Because you can only go around it for so long , unfortunately. IP: Logged |
Hera
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posted May 20, 2012 11:57 PM
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Hey Hera,
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Ariehnox
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posted May 21, 2012 12:19 AM
Oh! We have the same aspects, Hera. My Mars-Pluto is in opposition by a degree, Mars and Pluto also rules my 3rd and 10th house respectively.I haven't really thought about it, but reading your post, I release mine through reading, watching, playing psychological/suspense/gory/dystopian themes in books, movies and games. I also draw and paint, so that's also an outlet for me. When I was younger, I've always had extremely gory nightmares... Until when I became better at illustration where I could express myself better, it stopped. IP: Logged |
Hera
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posted May 21, 2012 03:45 PM
Oh wow!! You Aqua or Cappy rising? What signs are your Mars and Pluto?So nice that you can draw and paint!! I used to play the piano, it does support my need for drama and been seriously thinking of getting violin lessons and a violin too! Art is a wonderful way to express the less pleasant, darker side we each possess. I like the opera a lot, also serves my need for the dramatic. I like art that really goes down beneath the surface, nothing shallow coz it's boring. The more intense the conflict, the more addicted I am. I like very blunt, raw art that sometimes is unconventional. The type that shocks you silly. One of my most favorite movies, to this day, is "Requiem for a dream". I think it is a good example. Meg Ryan's controversial "In the cut" also comes to mind.
Funny, I was never a fan of horror movies. You'd think I'd be with this aspect. No gory nightmares either. IP: Logged |
meissieri
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posted October 04, 2013 07:48 AM
Scrolled through some old threads, shame this died so early! I liked all of this outlet talk I have the trine for Mars-Saturn, not a harsh one, but it's tight. I've found sports that need a lot of stamina to be perfect for this aspect. Like long walks/hikes, biking, treadmill/stationary bike, jogging, etc. Can you do anything with that? For Mars-Mercury (I have the conjunction), I write a lot. Like, a lot. Sports also calm my mind, as it never is. So yes... any more outlets for other aspects? This is an old thread, so maybe other new members could find something in here! IP: Logged |
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