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Ceridwen
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posted May 24, 2012 09:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I recommend it.
http://sasstrology.com/2012/05/five-common-misconceptions-in-synastry.html


"a Seventh House partnership is a committed partnership"

"If a relationship is not ‘serious,’ if one or the other partners is not committed to it, you must also look at the Fifth House"

"An overabundance of trines, sextiles, and easy conjunctions will leave a relationship with nowhere to go. Boredom, complacency, and taking one another for granted are usually the result. Keep those squares, oppositions, and sesquiquadrates (135 degrees) coming."

"I think I’d take Moon/Mars over Venus/Mars anytime, or Mars/Pluto if you like a little danger. Even Saturn is sexier sometimes (at least at first) when he really desires something and masquerades as his younger self. (The Moon represents need in our charts, but Saturn is about how we get those needs fulfilled in the real world. If Saturn needs you for some reason it will move hell and high water to get to you.)"

"The most important thing we need to do in synastry is analyze the individual charts first for their capacity for love and caring exchange. If there are problems with sexual relating within the natal chart, especially with problematic Eighth House issues, no positive Venus/Mars aspect will be able to transcend this difficulty in the long term."

"Composite charts are not about the exchange of energy between us. They’re about the energy, the aura, the charisma that we give off together. This is very subtle territory. A composite chart is not about what happens when your Pluto sits on my Moon and makes me cry. A composite chart will show us a different dynamic.

If we have a Moon/Pluto conjunction in our composite chart, our feelings together will be intense and transformative,
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"It’s important to prioritize the planets"

"The Sun and Moon are always important. So are angle rulers. So is the dispositor of the Sun. Venus, Mars, Saturn—what’s happening with them? If the basic relationship planets are not connecting, no aspect of Mercury/Jupiter or Vertex/Chiron is going to matter"

"Your planets might have a dozen contacts with my Pluto, but if Pluto is not a very active planet in my chart, it won’t matter much. Oh, sure there may be intensity, but if my journey is not basically a Plutonian one, I may not perceive that I need your energy in my life. One-sided relationships often occur with this dynamic. If I’m a Plutonian and your chart excites my Pluto in a number of ways, I may crave our contact, but the non-Plutonian may want to shake me off as soon as possible."


As a matter of fact I recommend her entire blog.

http://theinnerwheel.com/category/composite-charts/

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posted May 24, 2012 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good read, I agree with all of those points.

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posted May 24, 2012 09:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lilithpluto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice. Thank u for sharing!

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posted May 24, 2012 09:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ShyVirgo1979     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've read that article. Its good. There's many many good points that make it easy for beginners who get too wrapped up in looking for aspects. Helps know which ones to pay attention to and which ones u don't really need to. Good post!

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posted May 24, 2012 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Your planets might have a dozen contacts with my Pluto,
but if Pluto is not a very active planet in my chart, it won’t
matter much. Oh, sure there may be intensity, but if my
journey is not basically a Plutonian one, I may not perceive
that I need your energy in my life. One-sided relationships
often occur with this dynamic. If I’m a Plutonian and your
chart excites my Pluto in a number of ways, I may crave
our contact, but the non-Plutonian may want to shake me
off as soon as possible.

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posted May 25, 2012 01:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Planet Queen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Misconception #3: Good Venus/Mars Connections Tell Us Everything We Need to Know About Our Sex Lives.

First of all, it’s not the hottest aspect. I think I’d take Moon/Mars over Venus/Mars anytime, or Mars/Pluto if you like a little danger.


What about if you have Moon-Mars double whammy and Venus-Mars conjunction? All can say is lusty passion...

This article doesn't really stress planets conjunct the axis' like for example my Sun is conjunct my bf's Desc. This is a very significant aspect.

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posted May 25, 2012 01:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, she was just picking some misconception (at least according to her opinion and I agree).
If you read her blog she states the utmost importance of the angles and nodal axis as well.

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posted May 25, 2012 01:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://theinnerwheel.com/category/angles/

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posted May 25, 2012 02:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Oliviaaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
If you read her blog she states the utmost importance of the angles and nodal axis as well.

She's awesome. Great article, and great blog. Wealth of information there. Reading her stuff is what opened my eyes to the importance of the Nodes in synastry. I never really payed much attention to them before reading one of her posts. Now I don't dare look at a synastry chart without them!

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posted May 25, 2012 02:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I really like the inner wheel.. Lots of valuable info..

Thumbs up!

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posted May 25, 2012 03:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thought provoking article Ceridwen,
thanks for sharing

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Ceridwen
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posted May 25, 2012 04:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oliviaaa,

I was glad when i stumbled across her blog, cause her articles very often reflect exactly my thoughts as well.

And at some points it was an eyeopener for me; things that were there right under my nose, yet I only saw it, when she pointed it out.
Especially this one here:
http://theinnerwheel.com/2010/08/03/synastry-studies-rethinking-venussaturn/
http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/10/05/beyond-mom-and-dad-saturn-as-a-relationship-planet-part-one/

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posted May 25, 2012 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dreaming111     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Love this thread.

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posted May 25, 2012 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariesdragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dreaming111:
Love this thread.

Me too

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posted May 25, 2012 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Way too complex for me. I don't even understand fundamental things like what constitutes a "7th House" or "5th House" partnership.

Does it mean one person's planets in 7th House or 5th House aspecting the other person's in synastry? Or the 7th House planets of both people aspecting each other. Or planets in the 7th House in Composite?

I read the first two paragraphs, had way too many questions, and then I lost patience.

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posted May 25, 2012 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rosalind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I must admit. That article and articles in general make me laugh. Especially the part with conjunctions as being hard aspects. Guess what? Conjunctions are NEUTRAL. Can be good, can be bad. Never only good or bad. Conjunctions are mirror reflections. Its like seeing yourself in the mirror with the help of another person. Since when is that bad? Only those who cannot stand or accept themselves can say conjunctions are hard aspects.

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posted May 25, 2012 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rosalind,

conjunctions are "hard" aspects in the sense that they command more attention than the soft ones, they are more intense.

It is a misconception to equal "hard" with "bad".


I do agree however that ocnjunctions are neutral or actually I would say they are "merging points"; imo they are not even aspects like trine or square, as they are on the same spot, instead of "looking at each other" (like the other aspects do).


I don´t think she means to say that conjunctions are "bad", but probably this might be misread in such a short article like this.
It becomes quite clear when you read more of her articles on her blog though.


YTA,

point taken.
I think for a beginner it is important to first learn the vocabulary (elements-modalities; planets-signs-houses-aspects).


But even at the risk of boring you:

a 5th house relationship would be one with:
° personal planets, especially Sun, Moon, angles, chartruler, in 5th house

° people who reflect each other`s 5th houses:
For example my 5th house is in Taurus with the ruler in Capricorn square Pluto.
Someone with Sun in Capricorn aspecting Pluto would reflect my 5th house quite much

°ruler of 5th house aspecting important planets in the other chart (especially Sun, Moon, ASC, chartruler, nodal axis; then Venus and Mars and MC)

° tight aspects to planets in 5th house.
For example:
If someone`s Venus falls into my 5th house and is opposing my URanus, I would feel the "5th house vibe" (because of the houseoverlay of his Venus)


° important planets, stellium in 5th house in composite
° ruler of 5th house conjunct an angle, Sun, Moon or nodal axis in composite

(these are just examples how a 5th house relationship can be recognized astrologically)


For the 7th house relationship, simply exchange the 5th for the 7th house.


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posted May 25, 2012 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceridwen,

Excellent and wonderful information, THANK YOU. I LOVE the care and thought you put into continuing to share your knowledge.

I feel totally happy when I read threads like these.

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posted May 25, 2012 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Ceriwden. I need to go think through and figure this out between my wife and I.

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posted May 25, 2012 09:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Ceridwen,

Agree with just about all of it. Only I LOVE Venus/Mars aspects, but that might be because Venus is so important in my chart... sits in the 1st house opposing Jupiter (my Asc ruler), trining Saturn (my Sun ruler), and semiquaring Uranus... Plus Venus is my Vertex ruler which we have talked about previously. So, I'm certainly not one of those who finds Venus/Mars overrated. And yeah, it's so true that how your chart is set up determines what kind of synastry you find attractive.

Different strokes for different folks.

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posted May 25, 2012 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://sasstrology.com/2012/05/five-common-misconceptions-in-synastry.html

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a Seventh House partnership is a committed partnership. We don’t go around messing with people’s shadows for nothing.

I act out and meet my h7 with complete STRANGERS on a regular basis. And friends. And family. And partners.
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A packed Fifth House can indicate someone who is more inclined to just have fun in relationships.

Too simplistic.
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It’s often the case where one partner’s Seventh is activated by the chart comparison and the other’s is not—one is ripe for commitment and the other is just passing through.

I can only at this. Many times my h7 has been strongly activated and -they- were the ones desiring marriage and full on commitment. Guess what? Their 7th houses were often empty in synastry. And the guys where I place stelliums in their 7th? They want a fling.
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but that Mars/Pluto or even Mercury/Saturn may really trip up a relationship. You can’t assume a conjunction will always work smoothly. But it will always be strong. It will provide stimulation, which we all need in order to grow within a relationship.

I doubt it's a misconception that conj involving malefics carry their own potential for havoc. But maybe some people do look at a Mec/Saturn conj and think 'o goodie.'
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But a lot of times we aren’t ready for Saturn; we haven’t got to the point in our own lives where we can use him constructively yet (usually after the first Saturn return).

Lol. I'm def not of the school of thought that thinks most have to be post Saturn return to handle their relationships responsibly and/or with an eye for commitment.
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They cause us to challenge our assumptions, and see the world (and our planets) in new ways. When we’re younger, we assume that everyone is like us (or our families); once we get into our mid- to late-twenties, we learn that isn’t true and we want to see what else is out there. Hard aspects between charts push us to open our eyes and our heart.

Good point. Same as with the natal. Hard aspects get challenged by others and internally. Soft aspects are allowed to go along their merry way wreaking havoc however they please.
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An overabundance of trines, sextiles, and easy conjunctions will leave a relationship with nowhere to go. Boredom, complacency, and taking one another for granted are usually the result. Keep those squares, oppositions, and sesquiquadrates (135 degrees) coming.

Yes and no. Those relationships actually work for some people. Go back to the natals. And I hope that she's not suggesting that an overabundance of hard aspects are preferred to the reverse, overall. Some people can take it and some can't. It's sometimes been stated that the more a natal is attuned to stress the better they can handle that when in association with another as they're used to being challenged, so it's not much of a stretch really.
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Venus/Mars is not the “be all and end all” of sex, and their position in the charts is not as crucial as some think. First of all, it’s not the hottest aspect.

Good point again. But it shouldn't be disregarded completely as everyone has their preferences. I've had a DW Venus/Mars trine in synastry with not much else and it was delicious.
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When the two are in sync, by sign or element, this inward and outward flow is very peaceful. The waters are calm. I want you, you want me, you love me in a way I understand. It’s all very pleasant—but it isn’t going to overcome so-called ‘issues’ in the chart.

I'm quite sure there are other ways to resolve these so-called 'issues' other than by romantic relationship. I'm not v.fond of using the people I'm romantically involved with as therapists by proxy. But that's just me.
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Like, even though my emotionally possessive Venus in Cancer is in sync with your sensitive Mars in Cancer, I may have a Mars/Uranus conjunction in my natal chart that makes me feel strangled if I’m held too tightly. Or, we have a Venus/Mars trine, but he has Pluto on the Descendant with Mars squaring and may not realize, yet, that he can’t be comfortable in a relationship unless he’s calling all the shots, in bed and otherwise. The most important thing we need to do in synastry is analyze the individual charts first for their capacity for love and caring exchange.

Completely agree. For a thorough analysis you have to go deep into the natals.
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If there are problems with sexual relating within the natal chart, especially with problematic Eighth House issues, no positive Venus/Mars aspect will be able to transcend this difficulty in the long term.

Sounds dour. You have to know how the person is working with what they've got. And why bring up Venus/Mars here after it was just practically bashed as a hot synastric aspect prior Give the person with sexual issues a DW sun/mars in synastry, they just might get out of their rut v.soon And why be so vague with the mention of 'problematic Eighth House issues, why make mention unless you will elaborate...
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Also, you cannot have a composite chart unless you have a real relationship. You can draw one up, of course, but it only exists in the world of potential, of what might be.

Strongly disagree. I've been attuned to composite chart dynamics with people I've only just met. This is really an outdated theory. 2 people combined create their own energy, no matter what the synastry says. That is the composite and she mentions it here,
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They’re about the energy, the aura, the charisma that we give off together.

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It’s important to prioritize the planets, to give them weighting. Those are the ones that are most likely to raise their heads in a relationship. The Sun and Moon are always important. So are angle rulers.

Agree.
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If the basic relationship planets are not connecting, no aspect of Mercury/Jupiter or Vertex/Chiron is going to matter.

Thumbs up to infinity.
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Also, some planets are not important within a chart.

This has seemed to be the case with my Moon/Venus. However (!) if my Merc (in H7) is happy and my H7 ruler is getting some nice trines, then we are ON.
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This dynamic often occurs with all three of the outer planets.

Agree.

Frankly I think Lotis White could have written a better article on synastry but I like this gal so it was interesting to see her take. Not so impressed with this article exactly, but her others on specific dynamics, when she goes in depth with them, are generally v.good reads.

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posted May 26, 2012 02:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rosalind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceridwen, I do not need explanations. I didnt come on this forum to learn what I already know. Also, reading articles seems silly to me since books and insight are the ones that counts in astrology. I do not read articles mainly because they are totally wrong. They are written in such superficial way that makes me cry.

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posted May 26, 2012 02:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Ceridwen, I do not need explanations. I didnt come on this forum to learn what I already know. Also, reading articles seems silly to me since books and insight are the ones that counts in astrology. I do not read articles mainly because they are totally wrong. They are written in such superficial way that makes me cry.

Perhaps you know. But many other newbie’s don’t. And I must beg to differ about articles…. I’ve read many good ones in my time by many good astrologers.

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posted May 26, 2012 02:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rosalind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Perhaps you know. But many other newbie’s don’t. And I must beg to differ about articles…. I’ve read many good ones in my time by many good astrologers.

You know what is the problem? These articles being written the way they are written creates more and more confusion through newbies. I read articles too only to see if they are the same in content. The aspects are the same, the interpretation must be the same. Everybody should know that conjunctions are neutral along with oppositions. Squares are hard aspects and sextile and trines are easy aspects.

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posted May 26, 2012 02:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Conjunctions are hard aspects.

The 7th house is overrated.

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