posted June 03, 2012 12:07 AM            

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I truly believe it's this obsessive square causing her to be this way. For some reason, she is often extremely obsessed with apocalypses, dooms day theories, the rapture, etc etc... she has been awake for DAYS about zombies coming up all the way to the Northeast and eating and killing us. Hold your laugher, she's not being even a bit funny. I thought she was kidding but then she began crying! :'0

I've never met anyone with this aspect but it seems like it can be a toughie. Anyone out there with Merc square Pluto who can relate? How do you alleviate these very obsessive, upsetting thinking patterns?

For reference, here is her chart.

posted June 03, 2012 01:39 AM            

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Pluto conjunct Mercury
If you think that you might lose your mind under the current mental pressure, probably not. However, you will be intensely examining ideas, thoughts, and concepts with an eye to getting rid of unwanted dross. Searching, research, detective work, and such.

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Transiting Pluto Conjunct Mercury
(Transit to natal.)
This is a time of intense communications, during which you are obsessed with certain thoughts. For this reason it is an ideal time for any project which demands mental concentration and deep thought. You are resourceful during this transit, easily able to obtain information and data. It may sometimes take some research, but you are able to persist and obtain the correct information. Your analytical abilities are also heightened and therefore this can be a good time for self-analysis or psychological studies. You would be wise to avoid destructive or negative obsessive thoughts.

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I know that the news over the past wk regarding this topic has been harrowing, but does she realize that the events are just a result of people either on drugs or who have evil criminal minds? I don't know if it will help, but there were other cannibals in the news in the past so it's not as if they are making a sudden appearance tho to some who don't know the past it may seem that way. Tho I don't think telling her that will help her much, like I said with the transits I can understand her tension. She obv has some extra mental energy here so maybe she can divert that into more helpful areas or maybe have her keep a journal to get these thoughts out. Who knows, maybe if properly edited it could turn into a horror fic. Ruler of the 3rd in the 10th is one signature for a writer.

posted June 03, 2012 05:54 AM            

I'm very sorry. I know how it feels.

posted June 03, 2012 10:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
It is not about the aspects.
She has a mental problem. She needs serious help before she goes and does something crazier than just - not sleeping.

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posted June 03, 2012 10:44 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Uh oh ... sounds like my friend. Six months later, she was diagnosed schizophrenic. Very, very rough. What your friend is feeling (if it's genuine) is NOT normal. I'm going to second a professional opinion being sought.

I'm very sorry. I know how it feels.

-A.

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I feel really bad for your friend. That must of been a rough time for not only your friend but for the people around her too.

posted June 03, 2012 01:05 PM            

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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
I feel really bad for your friend. That must of been a rough time for not only your friend but for the people around her too.

! I honestly believe she has some form of OCD. But OCD can be just as bad as any other mental disorder I guess. I wish someone could just try to diagnose her with the OCD because she is also obsessed with cleanliness too. I guess the obsessions and the cleaning thing go together. :/

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I have OCD. It becomes very severe during times of stress. I'll do the tics and have the repetitive-motions thing, and the obsessive thoughts thing. They're ALWAYS surrounding something -plausible-. But, my friend, (and thank you - it was. VERY hard) started believing someone was hunting her, and she could NOT shake this thought. From there, it just ... everything devolved within months.

Your loved one is rather past the age where this would have been diagnosed and presented itself. Late 30s, I'm assuming, she is? Early 20s is when it'll typically present if it's going to. Latter-development isn't unheard of, just less common.

But I'm still, unfortunately, suspecting some level of psychosis here.

posted June 03, 2012 03:13 PM            

I watched an episode of Intervention where a guy was addicted to them and it was the scariest thing ever. He was hearing and seeing demons and all kinds of other thing that he was convinced he had to kill.

If you read up on them, you will understand how someone under the influence of them could do this.

posted June 03, 2012 03:15 PM            

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Originally posted by peachbeigeblue:
My ex told me about that too. Apparently there was another incidence in Maryland last week

He asked me if I thought it was zombies or the end of the world.

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In Texas there was a mother accused of killing her newborn, eating part of his brain and biting off three of his toes. Then in Maryland, a college student killed a man, then ate his heart and part of his brain.
Along with a different incident in New Jersey, where a man stabbed himself 50 times and threw his own intestines at police.

People are bound to be upset and disturbed about this news.

posted June 03, 2012 03:25 PM            

Skylar on Bath Salts

sooo sad & scary
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/20/intervention-skyler-exclusive-video_n_1289246.html

posted June 04, 2012 07:02 AM            

Your friend's chart has red flags for Mental Illness because
1. Sun and Pisces Ascendant are stressing the Moon.
2. Moon in Gemini has high probability of Schizophrenia or Bipolar Disorder.
3. Chart Ruler Neptune is in 12th, this is a Depression Aspect.
4. Transit Pluto has roughed up her Mercury last year. Transit Uranus roughed up her Mercury and Natal Uranus this year [via quincunx].
5. Transit Saturn is doing a number on her first house Chiron right now. The whole Zombie thing is a projection of her own inner wounds, she may be feeling that the world is consuming her happiness by hitting her where it hurts the most.

She needs help.

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posted June 04, 2012 05:04 PM            

Oh so you've heard about it too? lol.
My entire school is obsessed with this incident. They're an art school and all they discuss is zombies/horror and halloween. Its so invigorating.

"People are bound to be upset and disturbed about this news."

posted June 04, 2012 05:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
Merc's also her H3 ruler, and it's been transited by Pluto so the natal tendency as it seems is being aggravated. Throw in a sq from Uranus and it adds to the mental tension. Natal Merc/Jup for jumping to conclusions.

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Wow... this makes so much sense. I can TOTALLY see how the Jupiter square plays into her exaggerating these already obsessive thoughts. Maybe that's why she makes a lot of odd things a huge deal nobody else I know would really mind.

Also, Pluto is conjunct her Mercury right now? :S Wow, that could explain quite a bit too...

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I know that the news over the past wk regarding this topic has been harrowing, but does she realize that the events are just a result of people either on drugs or who have evil criminal minds? I don't know if it will help, but there were other cannibals in the news in the past so it's not as if they are making a sudden appearance tho to some who don't know the past it may seem that way. Tho I don't think telling her that will help her much, like I said with the transits I can understand her tension. She obv has some extra mental energy here so maybe she can divert that into more helpful areas or maybe have her keep a journal to get these thoughts out. Who knows, maybe if properly edited it could turn into a horror fic. Ruler of the 3rd in the 10th is one signature for a writer.

But if you think this is a sign of a mental collapse then maybe seeing her doctor is a good idea? Her reaction is a bit extreme, it might be covering up something that she doesn't want to face.

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No, it's really upsetting to me that she is SO afraid of scary stuff. She is only obsessed when it is relevant in the news. I am sorry I did not make that more clear in my post... I was so out of it when I wrote it I automatically assumed people would figure, she's obsessed only when it's in the news and stuff. She doesn't spend time digging up conspiracy theories or anything lol. But when such incidences happen she is SO terrified... gets obsessive and knows it is wrong but cannot allow her mind to stop. So she knows it's irrational yet she can't stop thinking these thoughts. She was exactly like this when the possibly rapture some time last spring/summer came up in the news too... she was sobbing at one point and scared she'd never see her kids again when she flew up into the sky. She just takes such topics in the news TOO intensely which freaks us all out.

I totally agree, she needs therapy. But what do you do for a H3 Mars person who explodes when you try to communicate with them about their problems? I have never been able to bring up such sensitive topics without her exploding. And she is the type who if she didn't explode, would get so offended and never speak to you again, or at least for a while... and doesn't think she needs therapy, yet laughs and says 'do I need mental help or something?' when I acted weird about her reaction to the cannibal incident. It is SO upsetting, no one knows... a psychiatrist would have field day with her obsessive OCD tendencies.

posted June 04, 2012 06:00 PM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
Hi Sweet_Scorpion,

Your friend's chart has red flags for Mental Illness because
1. Sun and Pisces Ascendant are stressing the Moon.
2. Moon in Gemini has high probability of Schizophrenia or Bipolar Disorder.
3. Chart Ruler Neptune is in 12th, this is a Depression Aspect.
4. Transit Pluto has roughed up her Mercury last year. Transit Uranus roughed up her Mercury and Natal Uranus this year [via quincunx].
5. Transit Saturn is doing a number on her first house Chiron right now. The whole Zombie thing is a projection of her own inner wounds, she may be feeling that the world is consuming her happiness by hitting her where it hurts the most.

She needs help.

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Thanks, this was very informative. I totally agree, she needs a therapist at the very least and I just wish so much she would stop thinking she is beyond the help of a psychiatrist... she never takes it seriously when people try to explain she has issues, she will blow up in your face, like H3 Mars she is, and never speak to you for months and months if you gently say, You obsess over germs and you obsess over problems that just should not matter and ruin your life....

God, I am heart broken even thinking of this. I just want the old her back. What is so BIZARRE is that she is well beyond the age when OCD would manifest right? Or not? She just suddenly... got this way, after her family contracted this bad illness she became OBSESSED for years and years and still is to this day with being clean and washing everyone's hands all the time, it's just so ******* ridiculous and makes me feel like ripping my hair out in frustration when I imagine it. I'm health conscious but I would never obsess about it to the point where she is actually frantic.... yet she doesn't EVER acknowledge she needs help!!! How can you live that way and not question it?! Maybe because she doesn't have that many water planets? I'm saying this because as a very Watery person I am immediately able to usually tell when I or another person has some sort of distress, illness, or emotional issue. It is mind boggling to me.

#5 is so smart!! I never even thought of checking her Chiron for this. I totally agree with you actually... I think her life is really falling apart and she just won't admit it, since like I said she is H3 Mars and usually fights life with fire and emotional explosions, she isn't like me who has a lot of water and H3 Saturn and takes issues seriously... she just brushes them off but who knows what is really going on inside. She can be very elusive about her problems it seems. She laughs too much at what should not be considered funny or comical, like others' problems, and not in meanness either which is even worse. It's like she can't take any of it seriously. But ever since she stopped working and had kids her life seems like a NIGHTmare from the outside... she is apparently not in love with her husband anymore, picks on her eldest son torturously and cruelly, and sometimes acts abusive to her family. All while being blatantly OCD. I have no idea what to do to help. No one does, which makes it even worse. It seems like Saturn transiting Chiron could be a good explanation for why she seems even more unsettled than usual lately... I just want to help but fear her explosions. Because I love her so much, she is family and was so close to me when I was younger...

posted June 04, 2012 06:02 PM            

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Originally posted by vertiver:
Also she had Pisces Ascendant and they can be prone to paranoia. My Dad is a Leo Sun with Pisces Ascendant and he really believes conspiracy stories like for instance that the Planet Nirubu will collide with the earth.

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posted June 04, 2012 06:05 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I have OCD. It becomes very severe during times of stress. I'll do the tics and have the repetitive-motions thing, and the obsessive thoughts thing. They're ALWAYS surrounding something -plausible-. But, my friend, (and thank you - it was. VERY hard) started believing someone was hunting her, and she could NOT shake this thought. From there, it just ... everything devolved within months.

Your loved one is rather past the age where this would have been diagnosed and presented itself. Late 30s, I'm assuming, she is? Early 20s is when it'll typically present if it's going to. Latter-development isn't unheard of, just less common.

But I'm still, unfortunately, suspecting some level of psychosis here.

-A.

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Yeah, she is in her mid-thirties but it is so weird, she just seemed to get this was in her early thirties. From staying home and having kids. NEVER was like this before that, swear to God... who ever would have envisioned that her having a family would ruin her life? It is tragic to me and hurts to think about often...I just wanted her to be a loving mom like she was to me when I was little. She was like a second mom to me, and she is nothing like she was to me as a kid to her own kids. Makes such little sense to me. And her kids are for the most part, not too bad... like they are very sweet and don't mean to be 'bad' like she always tells them they are. The oldest is very emotionally sensitive too which makes it worse.

posted June 04, 2012 06:15 PM            

So her Gemini Moon is not the reason for anything on its own... since it cannot be separated from her Mars.

Also, note how they are both ruled by a singleton Mercury in earth... her ONLY earth planet.